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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#127510 Oct 4, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
Lovey, I learned those basic things long before you were born. What you see me posting is based upon the principles of those basic physics laws, just interpreted different as to the causation and definitions of forces.
First, what's with the "Lovey"? What are you? Thurston Howell III?

Second, what makes you think that the standard interpretations need to be reworked? Weren't the Apollo missions, for example validation enough?
Dave Nelson wrote:
You have allowed yourself to be mesmerized by fancy words and concepts you can't really grasp. You are a slave to the pulpit of the "science" priests. Get down to those basic physical laws and work your way back up. You will then start to grasp those concepts, and their weaknesses, instead of just worshiping them.
In other words, follow your lead, not that of the textbooks. You recommend only the basics from a book, perhaps like somebody that read one science text in tenth grade, then speculated the rest.
Dave Nelson wrote:
Evidence for this being a slave to them is displayed by you quite often, automatically assuming anyone who claims to have a degree is speaking absolute truth. Your fawning over them and blind acceptance more than shows your desire to advance within their ranks. Social climbing.
You are anti-education to beat the band. A hillbilly might disesteem education because he simply sees no value in it, and considers it a waste of time.

But you go further. You see education as slavery, and a form of social climbing. Nice analysis.
Dave Nelson wrote:
You can have 10 PhD's with 10 different takes on the same subject. Politics determines who has The Voice, not absolute knowledge.
I don't think you can have ten different Ph.D.s, and certainly not ten that all address the same subject.

And are we to assume that The Voice is good to have, doesn't require an education as much as skill in politics? Is this your argument against having an education? You seem to be adamantly opposed to it.
Loren Eberly

Marion, OH

#127511 Oct 4, 2012
President Barrack Obama and VP Biden:

President Barrack Obama and VP Biden insistence on defying USA Labor Law, The Constitution, and demands of Natural Law: what Mother Nature, God, or Whatever Power decreed to be the reality of the real world, democracy, capitalism, the US Constitution, and free, fair, and affordable commerce and common sense demands.

Demanding every Stockholder, corporation, farmer, business, outsourcer sweatshop, and nonprofit, tax-exempt, organization and Church; markets the cost in the wholesale and retail price of his or her product and service; of every worker, consumer, and taxpayer's wages (union contract), healthcare, pension, investment and independent business profit. This enables every worker, consumer, and taxpayer to pay healthcare insurance premium or pay healthcare provider. Pay ALL taxes and pay for every product and service they use for life. With money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit. And enables every parent to educate, love, nurse, nurture, discipline, protect, and provide; for every child (job) they conceive. And fund schools, infrastructure, local and national security, government services, and etc.; with money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.

President Barrack Obama and VP Biden support holding Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and America’s grandchildren’s children, Government employees, Parents, Teachers, Veterans, Police, Firemen, and Fathers disqualified for affirmative action with white skin, Representatives deny Collective Bargaining Rights accountable.

To fund Illegal drug users and Illegal Immigrants, lottery, casino, and keno losers, unemployed Union workers replaced with nonunion workers, Human Traffickers, waitresses that pander for life for $2.00 per hour, slaves in enterprise zones, low-income child labor, consumers, and taxpayers, volunteers without wages, and nonunion workers willing to work for fewer wages than they can afford life. That pays with welfare checks, food stamps, housing vouchers, and Medicaid.

Pay for all stimulus packages, tax abatements, tax incentives, tax refunds, tax credit, and tax exemptions.

Pay sales tax on the more stock dividends (money) OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders (money marketers) market quarterly. In the wholesale and retail price of every product and service Human Beings use for life. And School Boards and Government needs to build, maintain and operate schools, infrastructure, and provide local and national security, and Government services. That gets only product or service.

Needed to measure and maintain the strength and growth of this UNAFFORDABLE economy and distribute money Human Beings cannot digest, burn in internal combustion engines, or burn to heat and cool their American Dream. Into OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders portfolios.

Defying USA Labor Law, the Constitution, and Realities demands is bankrupting USA. Makes free, fair, and affordable commerce IMPOSSIBLE; Makes funding schools IMPOSSIBLE; Makes balancing every budget IMPOSSIBLE; Makes Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and Americas grandchildren's children life UNAFFORDABLE; and created Ohio’s $1.35 trillion budget deficit, the $40 trillion social security and the $16 trillion national debt. America’s grandchildren’s children are responsible to pay Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders interest with this debt until they are 18 years old.

America’s grandchildren’s children cannot afford life and pay this debt with the $7.25 per hour Government mandated labor wage in a hundred million years.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#127512 Oct 4, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
Light is a link beyond the local flux fields, which can be quite significant at a distance. Once those fields join, they start to become one, and things align to suit that overall force.
You seem to be vamping during a science test. This is what you write when you don't know the answer in the hope of snowing the teacher.

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#127513 Oct 4, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
First, what's with the "Lovey"? What are you? Thurston Howell III?
Second, what makes you think that the standard interpretations need to be reworked? Weren't the Apollo missions, for example validation enough?
<quoted text>
In other words, follow your lead, not that of the textbooks. You recommend only the basics from a book, perhaps like somebody that read one science text in tenth grade, then speculated the rest.
<quoted text>
You are anti-education to beat the band. A hillbilly might disesteem education because he simply sees no value in it, and considers it a waste of time.
But you go further. You see education as slavery, and a form of social climbing. Nice analysis.
<quoted text>
I don't think you can have ten different Ph.D.s, and certainly not ten that all address the same subject.
And are we to assume that The Voice is good to have, doesn't require an education as much as skill in politics? Is this your argument against having an education? You seem to be adamantly opposed to it.
My, my, we are getting testy.

Standard interpretations lead to constant revision of theories. Epic fail of standard interpretations.

Education is dictation. Dictation of standard interpretations squares the epic fail. Or cubes, or even more exponential error.

You seem to distrust everything and everyone that has alternatives to the standard interpretations you were educated in, which is a result of your ego defending itself. It offends your elitist self. Relax. You have been wrong about so many things in the past, why not that?

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#127514 Oct 4, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
You seem to be vamping during a science test. This is what you write when you don't know the answer in the hope of snowing the teacher.
Test?

Who is my teacher, IANS?

I have my own path to follow in this existence. You go find others to fall under your influence. You will get no cheap ego trips from me, buddy boy.

:-)

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#127515 Oct 4, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
You are made from a template.
Yes, it is called DNA. Two templates were used to be exact.

You have a point ?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#127516 Oct 4, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
To elaborate a little more.

Yes, unmagnetized is relatively neutral as distance from increases. However, two "neutrals" adjacent to each other have the repelling of the electron skins, what they refer to as a negative charge. The basic charge alignment is outside to inside. The earth and its atmosphere follow the same pattern.

Being magnetized means there is a force realigning the components to channel a flow to dissipate the influence on the neutral. That is why it now becomes magnetic. Some materials get locked in those channels after being polarized, such as alnico and hardened steel. They eventually will return to their normal neutral state once that outside force is removed. Can take a while, though. But in the meantime you have a projected excess force, which does affect the space between object. This force can also be channeled into ejected packets we call light. Loops of it.

Take a horseshoe shaped bar of steel and put two electromagnets on the legs. Energized them to magnetize the bar. Put a steel keeper bar across the ends of the prongs and de-energize the electromagnets. Connect a light bulb across the wires used to energize the coils. You can go back months later and remove the keeper and you will get a flash of light in the bulbs. You started an elevated magnetic flow within the bar that ran in circles. When you broke the loop, it induced an electric current by the collapsing magnetic field. This is roughly how those light packets are made. You start a flow, and twist it so it follows its self. The snake swallowing its tail.

Try that rock experiment I try to get people to do. Hang a fist sized rock on a string. Let it settle down. You can even put something around it to ensure no air currents cause this, but it has to be close. Take a good sized speaker magnet and pass it back and forth, completely, about an inch or so below for a few seconds. You have to have the entire flux field passing across the bottom. You can also do this from any other direction. What you are doing is inducing an electrical charge in the molecules of the rock, even if they are not conductive. Immediately after that point the magnet toward the side of the rock an inch or two a way.

You should see the rock respond, twisting and maybe even swinging toward or away from the magnetic. That swinging, BTW, is working against gravity. Be aware you will also have some of that magnetic field extending through your body, notably the arm and hand. The induced electric current created a magnetic field which th emagnet worked on. Put the tiniest bit of iron, steel, or nickel and the effect is even greater. Not just the induced field, but also the straight magnetic attraction. The earth's core is thought to be iron, as are the cores of most celestial bodies.

Those forces work all across the universe.

Your muscles are moved by the same forces.
c

OK.

Still, gravity, the weakest force, dominates at the astronomical scale. I don't enough about the frontiers of cosmology, such as dark energy physics, to say whether an accelerating universal expansion suggest a fifth force overshadowing gravity at cosmological scales or not. But certainly at the scale of a solar system, celestial mechanics is dominated by gravity, and not the electromagnetic force.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#127517 Oct 4, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
That's what you (and others) believe. That's not what you know...
Except we have experiments and tangible evidence to back it up. All religion has is a fraudulent stack of books..

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#127518 Oct 4, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
My, my, we are getting testy.
Sorry that you got that impression. I don't feel testy.
Dave Nelson wrote:
Standard interpretations lead to constant revision of theories.
But not when done by lay people, not any more.
Dave Nelson wrote:
Epic fail of standard interpretations.

[QUOTE who="Dave Nelson"]Education is dictation.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Dave Nelson wrote:
You seem to distrust everything and everyone that has alternatives to the standard interpretations you were educated in, which is a result of your ego defending itself. It offends your elitist self. Relax. You have been wrong about so many things in the past, why not that?
I distrust undisciplined thought in several areas. It works for poetry, but not physics.

Since: Mar 11

Latonia, KY

#127519 Oct 4, 2012
If I was Thurston I would have used my suitcases of money to have a Ginger and Mary Ann sandwich nightly.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
First, what's with the "Lovey"? What are you? Thurston Howell III?
Second, what makes you think that the standard interpretations need to be reworked? Weren't the Apollo missions, for example validation enough?
<quoted text>
In other words, follow your lead, not that of the textbooks. You recommend only the basics from a book, perhaps like somebody that read one science text in tenth grade, then speculated the rest.
<quoted text>
You are anti-education to beat the band. A hillbilly might disesteem education because he simply sees no value in it, and considers it a waste of time.
But you go further. You see education as slavery, and a form of social climbing. Nice analysis.
<quoted text>
I don't think you can have ten different Ph.D.s, and certainly not ten that all address the same subject.
And are we to assume that The Voice is good to have, doesn't require an education as much as skill in politics? Is this your argument against having an education? You seem to be adamantly opposed to it.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#127520 Oct 4, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
I have my own path to follow in this existence.
Signed, Xavier, Renegade Angel. "Yohoo killed me"
&fe ature=related
Dave Nelson wrote:
You go find others to fall under your influence. You will get no cheap ego trips from me, buddy boy.:-)
It looks like you've outsmarted me again. You are wise beyond your years, Grasshopper. I will have to get my cheap ego trips elsewhere - for now.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#127521 Oct 4, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
It’s a fascinating combination of books with history, romance, war, military strategy, suffering, overcoming, lineage, struggles, survival, scandals, Kings & Queens, family dynamics, music, and a lot more.
Certainly not for those with reading deficiencies. It’s more for advanced readers.
By "advanced" do you mean highly skilled at avoiding cognitive dissonance?

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#127522 Oct 4, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text> c
OK.
Still, gravity, the weakest force, dominates at the astronomical scale. I don't enough about the frontiers of cosmology, such as dark energy physics, to say whether an accelerating universal expansion suggest a fifth force overshadowing gravity at cosmological scales or not. But certainly at the scale of a solar system, celestial mechanics is dominated by gravity, and not the electromagnetic force.
The problem with gravity as you see it is that is is a distributed mass, and thus, relative strengths. The total force of that gravity would be felt OUTSIDE the universe. Once you enter the boundaries of the distribution you start getting pulled in all directions. Yes, a little pun. Gravity starts tearing apart that which added up to the total. Motion gains more advantage over it. You may have a massive super blackhole, but you have other sources affecting its potential full force. Why you have tidal forces.

Take two speaker magnets. Put one face up on a table. Hold the other one face down over it. That repelling is stronger than the pull of gravity. Weigh the magnets, and then see how much weight each can lift of iron or steel or nickel. Will be more than the magnet.

That magnetization was created by a magnetic flow induced by an electrical flow. Which in turn was produced by a magnetic field transversing the matter conducting it. If the conductor was aluminum, it was much lighter than the iron.

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#127523 Oct 4, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry that you got that impression. I don't feel testy.
<quoted text>
But not when done by lay people, not any more.
<quoted text>
You say that like it's a bad thing.
<quoted text>
I distrust undisciplined thought in several areas. It works for poetry, but not physics.
Lay people?

Those not of the church hierarchy? The serious studiers of the scriptures?

:-)

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#127524 Oct 4, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
The problem with gravity as you see it is that is is a distributed mass, and thus, relative strengths. The total force of that gravity would be felt OUTSIDE the universe. Once you enter the boundaries of the distribution you start getting pulled in all directions. Yes, a little pun. Gravity starts tearing apart that which added up to the total. Motion gains more advantage over it. You may have a massive super blackhole, but you have other sources affecting its potential full force. Why you have tidal forces.
Take two speaker magnets. Put one face up on a table. Hold the other one face down over it. That repelling is stronger than the pull of gravity. Weigh the magnets, and then see how much weight each can lift of iron or steel or nickel. Will be more than the magnet.
That magnetization was created by a magnetic flow induced by an electrical flow. Which in turn was produced by a magnetic field transversing the matter conducting it. If the conductor was aluminum, it was much lighter than the iron.
I don't think anyone is questioning the fact that the EM force is more powerful than gravity on the small scale. Why you keep suggesting these experiments is beyond me.

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#127525 Oct 4, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Signed, Xavier, Renegade Angel. "Yohoo killed me"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =9q6reEqJDjgXX&feature=rel ated
<quoted text>
It looks like you've outsmarted me again. You are wise beyond your years, Grasshopper. I will have to get my cheap ego trips elsewhere - for now.
Little big man going to grow up and be bigger than that which created him.

That is your basic motivation, IANS. Man's wanting to set himself free and do what we will. However, as an individual unit of the collective "man", you have to transfer your desires to the collective. You see yourself as a one of the brain cells, and not of the brawn, of this new liberated being. A messiah complex with a low profile.

There is a creative force. If it is a deity you find it easier to delude yourself it isn't there in your headstrong pursuit of following your own desires. This gives you the illusion of free reign. If these other dummies just listened to you, that is.

Deity or not, this creative force let's you live and grow. You will always play its tune. Otherwise say eternal good night.

In your heart you know I am right.
Anon

Cleveland, OH

#127526 Oct 4, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
If I was Thurston I would have used my suitcases of money to have a Ginger and Mary Ann sandwich nightly.
<quoted text>
Followed by a side of Gilligan?
lightbeamrider

Fargo, ND

#127527 Oct 4, 2012
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
I have 200+ Bible translations in 40 languages, 40+ original language texts and morphology databases, dozens of lexical-grammatical references, and many commentaries accompanying those versions. http://www.bibleworks.com/
ands your still biblically illiterate.

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#127528 Oct 4, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>I don't think anyone is questioning the fact that the EM force is more powerful than gravity on the small scale. Why you keep suggesting these experiments is beyond me.
When directed it is stronger on the vast distance scale.

It is THE mover and shaper of mass and form.

Quit thinking local overcomes the distant. The local exists because of the distant.

A low powered EM wave can trigger much larger forces in mass at a distance if the distant mass is tuned to redirect those much larger forces. Done all of the time here. Why the model airplane reference I make.
Realist

Harelbeke, Belgium

#127530 Oct 4, 2012
Atheïst people don't believe in god.
God is part off a religion. Relgious people believe in relgion Atheïst don't believe in relgion it's that easy. 90% off people in this world are relgious so their should be universal peace right if they all believe in god??? No, when they say they believe in god they don't mean they believe in god they mean they believe in the god off their relgion and don't see the god off the other religion as the same god off their relgion so god is not universal but part of the doctrine so if their is an univeral god.
Their is no prove this universal god will say he has anything to do with all the kinds of relgious gods that have existed on this earth.

Anwer: Religous people have Faith in faith no faith in god. And Atheïst don't have Faith in anything !!!
Their are also Theïst that have no faith in faith but faith in god seeing god as somehing universal that has nothing to do with relgion.

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