Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#127443 Oct 3, 2012
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text> You've got this in the bible, too.
Psalm 74:14 "Thou brakest the heads of leviathan in pieces, and gavest him to be meat to the people inhabiting the wilderness".
LEVIATHAN has more than one head in Psalms(just one in other places).
In Ugaritic texts(where much of the OT mythology originated), LEVIATHAN has 7 heads.
In the example listed in Psalms 74. Leviathan is believed to be Egypt.

ADAM CLARKE'S BIBLE COMMENTARY

Verse 13.

"Thou didst divide the sea " - When our fathers came from Egypt.
"Thou brakest the heads of the dragons in the waters. " - Pharaoh&#65532;, his captains, and all his hosts were drowned in the Red Sea, when attempting to pursue them.

Verse 14.

"The heads of leviathan " - Leviathan might be intended here as a personification of the Egypttan government&#65532;; and its heads, Pharaoh&#65532; and his chief captains.
"To the people inhabiting the wilderness. " - Probably meaning the birds and beasts of prey. These were the people of the wilderness, which fed on the dead bodies of the Egyptians, which the tides had cast ashore. The Vulgate, Septuagint, AEthiopic, and Arabic read, "Thou hast given him for meat to the Ethiopians," or Abyssinians.

Verse 15.

"Thou didst cleave the fountain " - Thou didst cleave the rock in the wilderness, of which all the congregation drank.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#127444 Oct 3, 2012
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
The bible is cRaZy!
In one portion, the "figurative" 7 headed beast is fed to people(by the deity), later, it be da debbil!
It does take some studying and comprehension. Itís not written on a 3rd grade level. It takes an advanced reader and someone willing to research itís meaning. Itís written more in a Shakespearian time with lots of symbolism and prophecy. Some of it is even encrypted and meant for a certain time in the future.

I would recommend for anyone who has problems understanding the Bible to read the Amplified Version.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#127445 Oct 3, 2012
Atheist Silurist wrote:
<quoted text>
The bible may be Crazy, but it's not as crazy as the people who spend their entire lives trying to make sense of it.
Itís a fascinating combination of books with history, romance, war, military strategy, suffering, overcoming, lineage, struggles, survival, scandals, Kings & Queens, family dynamics, music, and a lot more.

Certainly not for those with reading deficiencies. Itís more for advanced readers.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#127446 Oct 3, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
A well know Rabbi, in a Judaism 101 for converts, said "The entire Torah is a Parable". A Parable is a work of fiction used to convey a deep message of reality.
Jews (including Jesus) and Christians have a compleely different belief in the Bible as "The word of God". To the Jews, God talks figuratively to the Christins God speaks literaly.
Because of the literalism paradigm, Christianity depends heavily on apologetics, dogma and refusal to read what is clearly written.
They also would rather accept the beliefs of others (Church 'leaders') than even attempt to think for themselves. In fact, the 'Church' makes thinking for oneself the worst "sin" in order to keep their sheep from running away from the cliff they are lead to.
Deuteronomy 6:4-5

King James Version (KJV)


4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:

5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Since: Sep 10

Location hidden

#127447 Oct 3, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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Itís a fascinating combination of books with history, romance, war, military strategy, suffering, overcoming, lineage, struggles, survival, scandals, Kings & Queens, family dynamics, music, and a lot more.
Certainly not for those with reading deficiencies. Itís more for advanced readers.
And bloodshed and barbarity and bovine scat, if you ask me.
If god had intended the Bible to be our one true book, I doubt he would have made it so difficult to read.
In fact even Christians like you argue over its meaning all the time. Thus it seems as if no one believer can form a consensus about what this scripture means, and at the same time be representing the Christian populace. Some diversity is good, yes, as it leads people to question dogma. A bunch of fanatics debating about the precise meaning of some millennium old book whose content and character they insist is perfect is flawed, especially when you take in account that for them it is the ultimate law. What good are rules if you don't even know what they mean? Or perhaps, a crapload of people just insist that you don't know the definition.
Seems a bit like a self destructing argument to me, if this perfect god made these rules that perhaps few or nobody actually knows the true meaning of and expects to get people into heaven. Unless you'd like to say that you only need to ask for forgiveness, in which case all rules are completely meaningless and thus they don't even have any reason to exist.

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#127448 Oct 3, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>
Certainly not.
<quoted text>
Hmmm..in a sense ALL you can ever see is photons.
<quoted text>
So? The same is true when you look at a chair: you are describing the presumed existence of the chair based on the photons presumably reflected off it and into your eyes. All effects and interpretation.
<quoted text>
The problem is the phrase 'look like'. Since looking is based on photons, there is a bad circle in your demand to paint a picture of a photon. Furthermore, they are not classical objects; they are quantum objects with probability distributions and not definite values for physical variables.
<quoted text>
Welcome to the real world.
<quoted text>
Funny, but the quantum description can be tested; it predicts results that can be observed; the probabilities predicted are verified. God, on the other hand, is not testable. So yes, I prefer the quantum description which can be and has been tested to the deity hypothesis that cannot be tested at all.
Coupled photons produce spikes in em energy, so yeah, there are physical variables. The cosmological constants appear to be "ordered" by the source charge powering photons, otherwise we would experience runaway entropy. Eternal power sources are strange like that, huh?

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127449 Oct 4, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, Genesis does support chemical means of creating life, including man. Those seeds planted to become animals, and Adam made out of the dust of the earth.
They just seem to have needed a little jumpstart.
Seeds are collections of chemicals. Did you know that? Some are real dry.
No it doesn't! hahahahaha, whatever, Dave, keep reaching. Genesis gets just about every aspect of life wrong.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127450 Oct 4, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
It does take some studying and comprehension. Itís not written on a 3rd grade level. It takes an advanced reader and someone willing to research itís meaning. Itís written more in a Shakespearian time with lots of symbolism and prophecy. Some of it is even encrypted and meant for a certain time in the future.
I would recommend for anyone who has problems understanding the Bible to read the Amplified Version.
A lot of it is written as poetry in its original languages.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127451 Oct 4, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Itís a fascinating combination of books with history, romance, war, military strategy, suffering, overcoming, lineage, struggles, survival, scandals, Kings & Queens, family dynamics, music, and a lot more.
Certainly not for those with reading deficiencies. Itís more for advanced readers.
Just who was it confusing Social Darwinism with Darwinism on purpose...? You'd never do something like that, being an advanced reader, right?

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127452 Oct 4, 2012
anomonyous wrote:
<quoted text>And bloodshed and barbarity and bovine scat, if you ask me.
If god had intended the Bible to be our one true book, I doubt he would have made it so difficult to read.
In fact even Christians like you argue over its meaning all the time. Thus it seems as if no one believer can form a consensus about what this scripture means, and at the same time be representing the Christian populace. Some diversity is good, yes, as it leads people to question dogma. A bunch of fanatics debating about the precise meaning of some millennium old book whose content and character they insist is perfect is flawed, especially when you take in account that for them it is the ultimate law. What good are rules if you don't even know what they mean? Or perhaps, a crapload of people just insist that you don't know the definition.
Seems a bit like a self destructing argument to me, if this perfect god made these rules that perhaps few or nobody actually knows the true meaning of and expects to get people into heaven. Unless you'd like to say that you only need to ask for forgiveness, in which case all rules are completely meaningless and thus they don't even have any reason to exist.
The sexism and violence come across quite clearly.

Since: Mar 11

United States

#127453 Oct 4, 2012
So believers are really really really stupid is what you are saying. Nice.
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
A well know Rabbi, in a Judaism 101 for converts, said "The entire Torah is a Parable". A Parable is a work of fiction used to convey a deep message of reality.
Jews (including Jesus) and Christians have a compleely different belief in the Bible as "The word of God". To the Jews, God talks figuratively to the Christins God speaks literaly.
Because of the literalism paradigm, Christianity depends heavily on apologetics, dogma and refusal to read what is clearly written.
They also would rather accept the beliefs of others (Church 'leaders') than even attempt to think for themselves. In fact, the 'Church' makes thinking for oneself the worst "sin" in order to keep their sheep from running away from the cliff they are lead to.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127454 Oct 4, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>
On a galactic scale or above, the electromagnetic properties, while present, do not have nearly the effects that gravity has. At this point, the energy density due to electromagnetic radiation is about 1 part in 20,000 of the energy due to matter (and gravity).
Yes, E&M is a strong force in many ways; much stronger than gravity. But the sheer fact that there are both positive and negative charges and north and south poles to magnets prevents it from being dominant in the universe. The positive and negative charges have effects that tend to cancel out; same with poles of a magnet.
Can you make situations where they are dominant? Of course. Are the astrophysical situations where they are dominant? Yes. But are they dominant in the motions of our galaxy? No. Are they dominant in the universal expansion? No. Are they dominant in relativistic jets emitted from black holes? yes.
Hey Poly what would happen if a black hole collided with another black hole?

Lots of gravity waves being released?

If they were the same mass, when their event horizons met, could material be pulled from one to the other or even ejected?

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#127455 Oct 4, 2012
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
So you only believe that a person is responsible for his actions if that person is not American. OK
Very good twist!

If you think that the religious police are going to stay in Saudi, you have another thing coming.

Al Qaeda threat in northern Africa "spreading"

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/03/al-q...

The radicals are taking over, anywhere they can.

“There's a feeling I get...”

Since: Jun 11

...when I look to the West

#127456 Oct 4, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey Poly what would happen if a black hole collided with another black hole?
Lots of gravity waves being released?
If they were the same mass, when their event horizons met, could material be pulled from one to the other or even ejected?
Same thing when a white a-hole collides with another white a-hole.

Some swearing, some punching and some bleeding.

:)

Hi milady!

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127457 Oct 4, 2012
Double Fine wrote:
<quoted text>
Same thing when a white a-hole collides with another white a-hole.
Some swearing, some punching and some bleeding.
:)
Hi milady!
Hi drunk Double Fine!!!

<sigh>

soooooo manly

<sigh>

“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

SŲdertšlje, Sweden

#127458 Oct 4, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
http://www.viewzone.com/Fear-O f-Death.html
Gary Vey gets on the sensational side, and misses some things, but comes up with interesting things to think about.
LISTEN UP YOU ATHEISTS!!!!!!!
YOU ARE ALL GOING TO HELL!!!!
YOU ARE GOING TO BURN FOREVER!!!
IN ETERNAL AGONY YOU CAN'T ESCAPE!!!!
YOU ARE DOOMED!!!!
A fuse broke in your head?

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#127459 Oct 4, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
In the example listed in Psalms 74. Leviathan is believed to be Egypt.
ADAM CLARKE'S BIBLE COMMENTARY
Verse 13.
"Thou didst divide the sea " - When our fathers came from Egypt.
"Thou brakest the heads of the dragons in the waters. " -
Pharaoh&#65532;, his captains, and all his hosts were drowned in the Red Sea, when attempting to pursue them.
Your deity didn't do a very good job. There is no evidence of that happening. In either Egyptian records, or in any neighboring countries/cultures recorded history. Egypt lasted well into the 3rd century BCE. It was still a country under Roman rule in 30BCE, if I'm not mistaken.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#127460 Oct 4, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
Verse 14.
"The heads of leviathan " - Leviathan might be intended here as a personification of the Egypttan government&#65532;; and its heads, Pharaoh&#65532; and his chief captains.
Again, no evidence of this happening. Please provide if you have it.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#127462 Oct 4, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
It does take some studying and comprehension. Itís not written on a 3rd grade level. It takes an advanced reader and someone willing to research itís meaning. Itís written more in a Shakespearian time with lots of symbolism and prophecy. Some of it is even encrypted and meant for a certain time in the future.
I would recommend for anyone who has problems understanding the Bible to read the Amplified Version.
I have 200+ Bible translations in 40 languages, 40+ original language texts and morphology databases, dozens of lexical-grammatical references, and many commentaries accompanying those versions. http://www.bibleworks.com/

“There's a feeling I get...”

Since: Jun 11

...when I look to the West

#127463 Oct 4, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi drunk Double Fine!!!
<sigh>
soooooo manly
<sigh>
:)

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