Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#127368 Oct 3, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
Yes his (hobbit) nonsense just about took the cake! Later in the bible it talks about a 7 headed serpent dragon. So it meant a dragon with 7 (hobbit) heads?
Lmfao! What a visual!
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Please supply your biblical reference to the 7 headed serpent.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#127369 Oct 3, 2012
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Where's your f*cking god? Oh yeah that's right you're that proven Creationist liar that nobody here believes anymore.
I still say you would make a great diplomat. You have such elegance of speech.

Since: Mar 11

Florence, KY

#127370 Oct 3, 2012
From your favorite apologetic websites no less!

https://sites.google.com/site/livingwithoutmo...

Revelation 20:2
He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.

Revelation 12:3
Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads.

http://www.dragon-zoo.com/dragonzoo_news_bibl...

And yet another Christian website there is 3 of the 7 heaed monsters! Including a seven headed Leopard, with feet like a bear!

2. And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion; and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.(Revelation 13:1, 2)

http://www.sundaylaw.net/books/other/standish...

Oh the humiliation just keeps coming.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_name_of_the...

Was the serpent in Genesis Satan? According to your religion, yes.

http://www.gotquestions.org/Satan-serpent.htm...

Now this...

http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/human-fos...

Is what YOU are claiming the serpent was in the garden of Eden.

Note what Yahweh says to the serpent.
Genesis 3:14
Then the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, you are cursed more than all animals, domestic and wild. You will crawl on your belly, groveling in the dust as long as you live.

First we see how stupid the writer was as dust is not on the snake's dietary menu and also snake's do not talk. Sigh.

And before you scream that the passage says dragon with 7 heads.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_ (Bible)
In the New Testament, the Book of Revelation makes use of Serpent several times to identify Satan, the Dragon an ancient Serpent (Rev.12:9; 20:2).

Sad that an Atheist knows far more about the bible than you a believer does yes?

Maybe that's why I'm an Atheist and you're not?
Eagle12 wrote:
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Please supply your biblical reference to the 7 headed serpent.

Since: Oct 10

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#127371 Oct 3, 2012
Eye Heart Jesus wrote:
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There are a variety if logic fallacies in this agreement but for the sake of time I'll just concentrate on this one aspect.
You seem to have a very distorted view of God.
He is ultimately in charge and has the ability and free will to exhibit This through His personal expression. He has chosen to make humankind
as an expression of His free will, because of His desire to engage in personal relationship with man. He also desired for humankind to be
crested in His image so that we could relate to Him better. In order to do this, He made us with free will. Free will gives us the CHOICE to make decisions... Right or wrong. The choice of evil must be there, in order for absolute moral standards to exist; otherwise, we'd all e subservient robots. God didn't intend for us to be this way, but created us to be agents of free will, such as Himself.
Now that we have concieved the more accurate properties of God, we can understand how a perfect being can want to create beings and life with the potential of doing evil.
I've played the Sims too.

Since: Oct 10

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#127372 Oct 3, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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Most all of humanity has a will to live. I donít think most Christians fear death. We all know itís going to happen.
But itís like a rodeo bull ride. We want to stay on as long as we can before we get thrown off.
The question was why. Did you miss that?

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#127373 Oct 3, 2012
ChristineM wrote:
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Democracy is a wonderful convention
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch.

Since: Sep 08

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#127374 Oct 3, 2012
http://widget.newsinc.com/fullplayerwvars.htm...

Falling trees and EM.

Damn that EM. It's everywhere.

Since: Sep 11

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#127375 Oct 3, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Everything has to be set into motion to mix.
Didn't your momma larn you nothing?
What turned on the mixer? Where was it plugged into?
Boudreaux, This universe didn't pop out of nothing and started to stir itself.
How many times are you going to repeat that argument?

Not being entirely certain how the universe began does not mean goddidit. Or we can keep this going all day. Who turned on the thing that turned on the mixer? Who made the outlet it was plugged into? Etc..

Since: Sep 11

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#127376 Oct 3, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
From your favorite apologetic websites no less!
https://sites.google.com/site/livingwithoutmo...
Revelation 20:2
He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.
Revelation 12:3
Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads.
http://www.dragon-zoo.com/dragonzoo_news_bibl...
And yet another Christian website there is 3 of the 7 heaed monsters! Including a seven headed Leopard, with feet like a bear!
2. And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion; and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.(Revelation 13:1, 2)
http://www.sundaylaw.net/books/other/standish...
Oh the humiliation just keeps coming.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_name_of_the...
Was the serpent in Genesis Satan? According to your religion, yes.
http://www.gotquestions.org/Satan-serpent.htm...
Now this...
http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/human-fos...
Is what YOU are claiming the serpent was in the garden of Eden.
Note what Yahweh says to the serpent.
Genesis 3:14
Then the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, you are cursed more than all animals, domestic and wild. You will crawl on your belly, groveling in the dust as long as you live.
First we see how stupid the writer was as dust is not on the snake's dietary menu and also snake's do not talk. Sigh.
And before you scream that the passage says dragon with 7 heads.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_ (Bible)
In the New Testament, the Book of Revelation makes use of Serpent several times to identify Satan, the Dragon an ancient Serpent (Rev.12:9; 20:2).
Sad that an Atheist knows far more about the bible than you a believer does yes?
Maybe that's why I'm an Atheist and you're not?
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But it's figurative! You have to remember that. Every time something doesn't make sense in the bible, it's a symbol, duh!

Since: Sep 08

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#127377 Oct 3, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>How many times are you going to repeat that argument?
Not being entirely certain how the universe began does not mean goddidit. Or we can keep this going all day. Who turned on the thing that turned on the mixer? Who made the outlet it was plugged into? Etc..
As we routinely create devices utilizing the same parts and laws of physics that we are made of, almost always by design, there is a certain logic to lead us to believe that such may very well be how we got here. I mean, we can make devices that will talk back to us. However, being an offshoot of such a process may not mean that its environment and laws of physics is the same as ours, but some aspects will be just to establish those laws we live under.

All in all, believing in a nature that spawned this one, which again, is probably built upon some order, and thus design, would indicate there is a higher intelligence with its finger on the power switch, and which for practical purposes, and as a working hypothesis, can be referred to as God.

Just kinda makes more sense than pontificating we just happened.

I think it is a little too early to concern ourselves about who made the outlet for the mixer. When we get to that point, we may luck out and get a manufacturer's name on it. Perhaps someone will be in the kitchen to answer our questions.

You people amaze me.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#127378 Oct 3, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Please supply your biblical reference to the 7 headed serpent.
Do you ever read the bible or just thump it?

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

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#127379 Oct 3, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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If America cannot protect its boys from a foreign controlled sex syndicate, then I guess the boys just have to endure it. As a juror, I would hold a parent responsible that left a boy unsupervised with a priest that molested him. It's a foreseeable consequence.
But again here not disagreeing with you but these type things have to be settled at the local level .

Since: Sep 08

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#127380 Oct 3, 2012
http://scitechdaily.com/scientists-use-ultra-...

http://scitechdaily.com/ultrashort-pulses-of-...

Can gravity do this over a distance?

Ignorable perturbations, surely.

You are bombarded by light continually. EM is the primary glue and motivator of the universe.

Remote controlled airplanes.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#127381 Oct 3, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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I still say you would make a great diplomat. You have such elegance of speech.
A brief history of religious hoaxes

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2012/10/03/his...

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

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#127382 Oct 3, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Sigh....
raphical
Poor Polly. For him physics is waves, probabilities, and uncertainty. For me it is the stuff that makes them. He doesn't understand that.
Draw us a picture of a proton, Polly. Not a grepresentation or numbers, but a real life painting, so to speak.
The quantum world is a bunch of fractal probabilities , on a revolving scale of
if's. Something we are forced to accept like it or not.

Since: Sep 11

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#127383 Oct 3, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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As we routinely create devices utilizing the same parts and laws of physics that we are made of, almost always by design, there is a certain logic to lead us to believe that such may very well be how we got here. I mean, we can make devices that will talk back to us. However, being an offshoot of such a process may not mean that its environment and laws of physics is the same as ours, but some aspects will be just to establish those laws we live under.
All in all, believing in a nature that spawned this one, which again, is probably built upon some order, and thus design, would indicate there is a higher intelligence with its finger on the power switch, and which for practical purposes, and as a working hypothesis, can be referred to as God.
Just kinda makes more sense than pontificating we just happened.
I think it is a little too early to concern ourselves about who made the outlet for the mixer. When we get to that point, we may luck out and get a manufacturer's name on it. Perhaps someone will be in the kitchen to answer our questions.
You people amaze me.
There is not a certain logic to it, it is wishful thinking motivated by your god need. There is not one example, ever, of anything supernatural ever happening. So how is there a certain logic to postulating a supernatural explanation for the universe?

Just because we can't fully explain the universe at this point doesn't mean we never will be able to. A thousand years ago you might be pointing to the inexplicable nature of illness as proof of the supernatural.

Since: Mar 11

Florence, KY

#127384 Oct 3, 2012
Dag nabbit! Sometimes it's the infallible word of God, sometimes it's just a figurative not meant to be taken literally. Who is the judge of which is which?

The believer of course!:))
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>But it's figurative! You have to remember that. Every time something doesn't make sense in the bible, it's a symbol, duh!

Since: Sep 08

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#127385 Oct 3, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> The quantum world is a bunch of fractal probabilities , on a revolving scale of
if's. Something we are forced to accept like it or not.
Not forced at all.

Quantums don't exist. Something does, but they aren't quantums.

The secret is in "space". It's real energy is not accounted for because of the models they use. That is why they are coming up with dark energy and matter. Uncertainties and probabilities, ad nauseum, also.

Since: Sep 08

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#127386 Oct 3, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>There is not a certain logic to it, it is wishful thinking motivated by your god need. There is not one example, ever, of anything supernatural ever happening. So how is there a certain logic to postulating a supernatural explanation for the universe?
Just because we can't fully explain the universe at this point doesn't mean we never will be able to. A thousand years ago you might be pointing to the inexplicable nature of illness as proof of the supernatural.
Butifmaybepossible. The basic vocabulary of abiogentic atheists. You add duh to it.

There is lots of anecdotal supernatural events going way back in time. Just because they didn't happen in a lab doesn't mean they didn't happen.

Since: Sep 11

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#127387 Oct 3, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Butifmaybepossible. The basic vocabulary of abiogentic atheists. You add duh to it.
There is lots of anecdotal supernatural events going way back in time. Just because they didn't happen in a lab doesn't mean they didn't happen.
Sure, it may be possible, just like everything may be possible. The difference with "abiogentic atheists," whoever they are, is that there are no extraordinary assumptions being made. There wasn't life, there was life, therefore life started somehow. No need to invoke a higher power when there is no evidence for one.

And do you really think anecdotal evidence means anything? There's anecdotal evidence for leprechauns too.

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