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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#127174 Oct 2, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
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OK Dave, this is an order.
Go to the bathroom and wash your mouth out with soap.
Immediately.
What's come over you?
This sort of hostility and namecalling is entirely inappropriate.
If there are gods out there, they are pissed as hell at you.
No.

Tired of abiogenetic atheists spreading their lies, murdering millions, and a host of other immoral acts. Plus they smell like they have been eating roadkill. On the hoof.

They ain't. neither.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#127175 Oct 2, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Thermodynamics , as the arrow of times formation progressed the necessitation of the separation of superforce into the order of the four fundamental forces. Created the dimensions of all that we see.
What shot the arrow?

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#127176 Oct 2, 2012
Richardfs wrote:
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30,000+ gods to select from, 32,000 christian sects, 4 billion Hindi gods but of course only "Dave Nelson" is right.
I will ask you the same questions I have asked of other godbots and have never had a reply:-
1. How did you pick the god you follow?
2. How much research did you do?
No ducking just answer these two simple questions.
1. I know! I know! He was born into a christian family, in America!!

2. None! The church did all the research he ever needed!

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#127177 Oct 2, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
So you are passing judgment on your old man? I guess he made more mistakes than what you accuse him of. Like having you.
If this person has children then perhaps they will grow up to publically confess all his sins and shortcomings, if there is any justice out there. This whole concept of publically confessing the sins of parents is in bad taste to say the least. I have heard the rationale is to help others but in reality the audience is mostly voyeurs not interested in help, but entertainment. This fellow does not expose himself but his father. Next time he should confess his own sins and not the alleged shortcomings of his father.

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#127178 Oct 2, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
No.
Tired of abiogenetic atheists spreading their lies, murdering millions, and a host of other immoral acts. Plus they smell like they have been eating roadkill. On the hoof.
They ain't. neither.
30,000+ gods to select from, 32,000 christian sects, 4 billion Hindi gods but of course only "Dave Nelson" is right.

I will ask you the same questions I have asked of other godbots and have never had a reply:-

1. How did you pick the god you follow?
2. How much research did you do?

No ducking just answer these two simple questions.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#127179 Oct 2, 2012
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>
30,000+ gods to select from, 32,000 christian sects, 4 billion Hindi gods but of course only "Dave Nelson" is right.
I will ask you the same questions I have asked of other godbots and have never had a reply:-
1. How did you pick the god you follow?
2. How much research did you do?
No ducking just answer these two simple questions.
It picked me. I'm a rescue pet.

Quite a bit.

You lack imagination. Among other things. You must be an atheist.

BTW, life is not a college classroom. The rules are different.

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#127180 Oct 2, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
1. I know! I know! He was born into a christian family, in America!!
2. None! The church did all the research he ever needed!
Yep and he is so brain dead he does not realize it.

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#127181 Oct 2, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
It picked me. I'm a rescue pet.
Quite a bit.
You lack imagination. Among other things. You must be an atheist.
BTW, life is not a college classroom. The rules are different.
30,000+ gods to select from, 32,000 christian sects, 4 billion Hindi gods but of course only "Dave Nelson" is right.

I will ask you the same questions I have asked of other godbots and have never had a reply:-

1. How did you pick the god you follow?
2. How much research did you do?

No ducking just answer these two simple questions.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#127183 Oct 2, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
It picked me.
Yes, cause you are so much more important than the starving children of the world.
Why don't you point out... oops, I am sorry! Why don't you nub out your great qualities that lead god to pick you!

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127184 Oct 2, 2012
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
.. at this stage, science has a hypothesis. Don't even think there's a theory yet. If incorrect, post links ..
The guiding theory of neuroscience would be evolution. Under that umbrella, their theory is "mind is brain."
.. you point to objective science, Dave leans on subjective experience. Is one better than the other ??..
"better" in the sense that you can produce knowledge-based technology through the tools of science while you cannot get very far leaning on subjective experience in that domain. In that regards, science describes reality more accurately.

Not better in the sense of morality or qualitative experience.
.. we've debated this before and it leads nowhere ..
Have we?
.. since you do not know how Dave was raised, your declarative statement losses credibility ..
He was raised in the USA. He doesn't speak a second language and hasn't lived in another culture. He's pretty honest about his views and his delusional understanding of science.
.. more smooches, sweets! If I don't challenge you regularly, you'll lose all respect for me and .........
"Fortune has me well in hand, armies 'wait at my command
My gold lies in a foreign land buried deep beneath the sand
The angels guide my ev'ry tread, my enemies are sick or dead
But all the victories I've led haven't brought you to my bed."
The tougher the criticism, the sharper the knife :p

Nice poem! Here I am! Hidingfromyou :p

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#127185 Oct 2, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
And one point is that we *know* this is false. In particular, quantum fluctuations do not have causes.
You don't know there is no cause. The whole idea may appeal to you. I find it interesting you are so willing to throw out causal law and declare there are effects without cause. According to an article i read by Jeremy Royal Howard. Many appear in artificial lab settings. The ability to penetrate the micro physical is still rudiment and subject to speculation and error. Considered quantum oddities. So there is skepticism.
And a very good hypothesis is that the universe came from such, which means it is uncaused.
Now,*you* could also claim that God came from a quantum fluctuation, but I'm guessing you won't do that.:)
Not really. Still not convinced the big bang is uncaused event.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#127186 Oct 2, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, cause you are so much more important than the starving children of the world.
Why don't you point out... oops, I am sorry! Why don't you nub out your great qualities that lead god to pick you!
Because when it looked down it saw my head up and looking around. It didn't see yours because it was up your ass.

Any more questions?

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#127187 Oct 2, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Because when it looked down it saw my head up and looking around. It didn't see yours because it was up your ass.
Any more questions?
Oh, the pain! You cut me straight to the quick! When 'it' looked down, it did not see me! A god that I could hid from is not much of a god, now is he?

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127188 Oct 2, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>
And one point is that we *know* this is false. In particular, quantum fluctuations do not have causes. And a very good hypothesis is that the universe came from such, which means it is uncaused.
Now,*you* could also claim that God came from a quantum fluctuation, but I'm guessing you won't do that.:)
<quoted text>
No, actually, it is an ad hoc assumption that supplies no real explanatory power.
God came from a quantum fluctuation!

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127189 Oct 2, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
"Scientific" based atheism needs to be exterminated.
Besides being a false religion, it tells you that you are just a robot of physical reactions. It has no "soul".
No creativity, no inspiration, no individuality.
You're overreaching, old man.

Sure, no gods exist. Yes, you're a physical being. But you're also human and humans are wildly creative and full of inspiration. We can quite clearly be individuals.

You're confusing atheism with communism, I think. And throwing your own hatred of others in, along with your straw man beliefs, exactly what I'd expect from you.

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#127190 Oct 2, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Because when it looked down it saw my head up and looking around. It didn't see yours because it was up your ass.
Any more questions?
30,000+ gods to select from, 32,000 christian sects, 4 billion Hindi gods but of course only "Dave Nelson" is right.

I will ask you the same questions I have asked of other godbots and have never had a reply:-

1. How did you pick the god you follow?
2. How much research did you do?

No ducking just answer these two simple questions.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#127191 Oct 2, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
The guiding theory of neuroscience would be evolution. Under that umbrella, their theory is "mind is brain."
<quoted text>
"better" in the sense that you can produce knowledge-based technology through the tools of science while you cannot get very far leaning on subjective experience in that domain. In that regards, science describes reality more accurately.
Not better in the sense of morality or qualitative experience.
<quoted text>
Have we?
<quoted text>
He was raised in the USA. He doesn't speak a second language and hasn't lived in another culture. He's pretty honest about his views and his delusional understanding of science.
<quoted text>
The tougher the criticism, the sharper the knife :p
Nice poem! Here I am! Hidingfromyou :p
You are so artificial.

I have been pretty immersed living in redneck, Cuban, Hispanic, Afro-American, New York Jewish, Turkish, and various Latin cultures from Central and South America. Also was married to a Japanese woman with a son derived from that marriage. Immersed as in living and working within those communities, not as a student. Knew enough language to get by. All I needed. Was also in the military for several years.

Now, what are your credentials again for interfacing with various social groups?

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127192 Oct 2, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
That is called lip service. Hiding. Did u ever have a fellow sweet talk you and then when he got what he wanted,(the mystery was over) leave and not return your calls?
<quoted text> Been busy....
It wasn't lip service, LB. It was manipulation. Hitler inspired millions of Christians to partake in genocide. That's not lip service.

Your comparison of Hitler to dating is a bit on the trite side, but yes, once this guy didn't phone me back. I was so angry when I found out he was busy exterminating a group of people. What a terrible excuse! I mean...I'm Hiding! No one does that to me.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#127193 Oct 2, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, the pain! You cut me straight to the quick! When 'it' looked down, it did not see me! A god that I could hid from is not much of a god, now is he?
God's machinery does create rejects. You are not alone. Don't take it personal.

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#127194 Oct 2, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
You are so artificial.
I have been pretty immersed living in redneck, Cuban, Hispanic, Afro-American, New York Jewish, Turkish, and various Latin cultures from Central and South America. Also was married to a Japanese woman with a son derived from that marriage. Immersed as in living and working within those communities, not as a student. Knew enough language to get by. All I needed. Was also in the military for several years.
Now, what are your credentials again for interfacing with various social groups?
30,000+ gods to select from, 32,000 christian sects, 4 billion Hindi gods but of course only "Dave Nelson" is right.

I will ask you the same questions I have asked of other godbots and have never had a reply:-

1. How did you pick the god you follow?
2. How much research did you do?

No ducking just answer these two simple questions.

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