Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story
BobEasy

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#23 Jul 19, 2009
Divine Alien wrote:
When we leave this world, we are going back to God himself.
Really? PROVE IT. How is it you can make these claims and sound so certain when you have not a shred of evidence, reason, or logic to back it up?

You are begging the question. You are making claims for the existence of a god while already assuming in those claims that God is real. That is the logical fallacy known as Begging the Question. In other words, your arguments, just like those of almost all theists, are very very weak.
BobEasy

Greensburg, PA

#24 Jul 19, 2009
Atheism requires no faith whatsoever. That is one of the biggest misconceptions about atheism. Atheism isn't a belief; it is an absense of belief in a god. What an atheist is saying is, "Well there is no evidence for a god being real, therefore, I have no good reason to believe God is real". They are not asserting that there definitely is no god. They are saying they don't believe in one. And they have good reasons for not believing in one. Atheism requires no faith for this reason; they have evidence, reason, rationality, and logic on their side. All these things point to the fact that there probably isn't a god, so the atheist therefore doesn't believe there is a god.

On the other hand, most believers are saying that God definitely exists, but have not a shred of proof to back it up.

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#25 Jul 19, 2009
LiddySays wrote:
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The Earth is mysteriously placed in just the right position in order to sustain life... Is that not order, structure, and balance all in one? A flower creates pollen, a bee will collect the pollen and scatter it about thus pollinating other flowers of the same type and continuing the cycle, is that not purpose? Every living thing on this planet has a purpose. What I am saying is that the purpose of all living things would be futile if there were nothing on the other end of life, i.e. DEATH. Everything has a cycle. Does a circle ever end?...
Consider the vastness of the universe first. Something's bound to happen somewhere.

As for cycles, you are speaking of established living things that have stood the test of time and evolved to their present state. A cycle can be broken by natural disasters or by man's interference, eg., the dinosaurs and the near extinction of the buffalo.

Do bees and flowers have an afterlife, are they aware of such a possibility? Does that make their cycles futile? I don't think so on all counts.

I have children and two grandchildren, my cycle is much nearer the end than the beginning. I'm content.

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#26 Jul 19, 2009
BobEasy wrote:
Atheism requires no faith whatsoever. That is one of the biggest misconceptions about atheism. Atheism isn't a belief; it is an absense of belief in a god. What an atheist is saying is, "Well there is no evidence for a god being real, therefore, I have no good reason to believe God is real". They are not asserting that there definitely is no god. They are saying they don't believe in one. And they have good reasons for not believing in one. Atheism requires no faith for this reason; they have evidence, reason, rationality, and logic on their side. All these things point to the fact that there probably isn't a god, so the atheist therefore doesn't believe there is a god.
On the other hand, most believers are saying that God definitely exists, but have not a shred of proof to back it up.
I agree. Saying that atheism requires faith is like saying it requires faith to NOT believe in Santa Claus.

IMHO, the heavily god infected see everything in terms of faith, even atheism. The fact they make the claim that atheism requires faith says far more about their own irrationality than it says about atheism.

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#27 Jul 19, 2009
BobEasy wrote:
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Really? PROVE IT. How is it you can make these claims and sound so certain when you have not a shred of evidence, reason, or logic to back it up?
You are begging the question. You are making claims for the existence of a god while already assuming in those claims that God is real. That is the logical fallacy known as Begging the Question. In other words, your arguments, just like those of almost all theists, are very very weak.
Yeah, that you look so real when you died you will leave your skeletal scattered on or buried in the ground. Yeah, it may worth to make a good graveyard for our future generation to see.

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#28 Jul 19, 2009
BobEasy wrote:
Atheism requires no faith whatsoever. That is one of the biggest misconceptions about atheism. Atheism isn't a belief; it is an absense of belief in a god. What an atheist is saying is, "Well there is no evidence for a god being real, therefore, I have no good reason to believe God is real". They are not asserting that there definitely is no god. They are saying they don't believe in one. And they have good reasons for not believing in one. Atheism requires no faith for this reason; they have evidence, reason, rationality, and logic on their side. All these things point to the fact that there probably isn't a god, so the atheist therefore doesn't believe there is a god.
On the other hand, most believers are saying that God definitely exists, but have not a shred of proof to back it up.
You may go on and on living without God and when you die you will leave your skeletons on/in the ground only.

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#29 Jul 19, 2009
BobEasy wrote:
Atheism requires no faith whatsoever. That is one of the biggest misconceptions about atheism. Atheism isn't a belief; it is an absense of belief in a god. What an atheist is saying is, "Well there is no evidence for a god being real, therefore, I have no good reason to believe God is real". They are not asserting that there definitely is no god. They are saying they don't believe in one. And they have good reasons for not believing in one. Atheism requires no faith for this reason; they have evidence, reason, rationality, and logic on their side. All these things point to the fact that there probably isn't a god, so the atheist therefore doesn't believe there is a god.
On the other hand, most believers are saying that God definitely exists, but have not a shred of proof to back it up.
I totally agree.

Saying atheism requires faith use's the assumption that you have reason or proofs to believe in gods.(atheism: lacking belief in gods)

Saying theism requires faith use's the
assumption that you have a reason or proofs to not believe in gods.(theism: a belief in gods)

Many may disagree with this.

If so...why does god belief require faith?

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#30 Jul 19, 2009
DebJ wrote:
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Consider the vastness of the universe first. Something's bound to happen somewhere.
As for cycles, you are speaking of established living things that have stood the test of time and evolved to their present state. A cycle can be broken by natural disasters or by man's interference, eg., the dinosaurs and the near extinction of the buffalo.
Do bees and flowers have an afterlife, are they aware of such a possibility? Does that make their cycles futile? I don't think so on all counts.
I have children and two grandchildren, my cycle is much nearer the end than the beginning. I'm content.
Debj, I guess you are much older and wiser. I admit that I have been a bit rough to you but I am gentle to you, no hard feeling on you. You are worthy to live a life to the fullest but I would like to share how fullest is life in Jesus who is so important for our afterlife/salvation of our soul. Humans are above animals, insects, birds that we can eat. Humans are all equal; therefore, we are not allow to eat human or be cannibalism. By eating human, we are placing ourselves higher than the humans. Please add Jesus (God) to your life and your family including your grandchildren.

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#31 Jul 19, 2009
Divine Alien wrote:
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Debj, I guess you are much older and wiser. I admit that I have been a bit rough to you but I am gentle to you, no hard feeling on you. You are worthy to live a life to the fullest but I would like to share how fullest is life in Jesus who is so important for our afterlife/salvation of our soul. Humans are above animals, insects, birds that we can eat. Humans are all equal; therefore, we are not allow to eat human or be cannibalism. By eating human, we are placing ourselves higher than the humans. Please add Jesus (God) to your life and your family including your grandchildren.
I appreciate your apology but I resent that it turned into a sermon. I know you didn't intend to insult me again but I will not tolerate your pushing your beliefs (unasked for) every single time you post.

Let's leave it right here.

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#32 Jul 19, 2009
BobEasy wrote:
Atheism requires no faith whatsoever. That is one of the biggest misconceptions about atheism. Atheism isn't a belief; it is an absense of belief in a god. What an atheist is saying is, "Well there is no evidence for a god being real, therefore, I have no good reason to believe God is real". They are not asserting that there definitely is no god. They are saying they don't believe in one. And they have good reasons for not believing in one. Atheism requires no faith for this reason; they have evidence, reason, rationality, and logic on their side. All these things point to the fact that there probably isn't a god, so the atheist therefore doesn't believe there is a god.
On the other hand, most believers are saying that God definitely exists, but have not a shred of proof to back it up.
BobEasy,
Atheists put their faith in reason. Before you start crunching data or making observations, you have to believe there is a point to it.

For those who have no belief in anything the issue of god or no god would not not be a factor.

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#34 Jul 19, 2009
If you have no evidence to prove life origins then that mean you are a person of FAITH. At least the Christians and other documented religions admit they are people of FAITH.

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#35 Jul 19, 2009
appleboy wrote:
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BobEasy,
Atheists put their faith in reason. Before you start crunching data or making observations, you have to believe there is a point to it.
For those who have no belief in anything the issue of god or no god would not not be a factor.
Well said appleboy you got some sharp insight there.

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#36 Jul 19, 2009
appleboy wrote:
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BobEasy,
Atheists put their faith in reason. Before you start crunching data or making observations, you have to believe there is a point to it.
For those who have no belief in anything the issue of god or no god would not not be a factor.
Again, what you mean by "faith" (as you, a person of faith, interprets it) does not apply to the situation of reason. Why? Because reason has shown itself to be a productive, meaningful way of interpreting the world.

This is a case of applying inductive logic. To say that one has "faith" that the sun will rise tomorrow is a very different thing than to say one has "faith" in a god.

In the case of the sun rising, one has a huge base of experience to draw upon that the sun, so far, has risen every day in the past. To assume that it will tomorrow as well is hardly in the same class as religious faith.

Reliance in reason is in the same class as faith in the sun rising. That is, there is a huge base of experience showing that reason produces correct results. To claim otherwise to a denial of reality...which seems to be something fundamentalists are very good at.

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#39 Jul 20, 2009
Infinite Force wrote:
If you have no evidence to prove life origins then that mean you are a person of FAITH. At least the Christians and other documented religions admit they are people of FAITH.
Your statement "If you have no evidence to prove life origins then that mean you are a person of FAITH" is a common fallacy, by inferring if I do not accept a BELIEF personally held by you, I must supply an explanation for all the elements of your FAITH I do not accept.Which is a BELIEF to begin with.

You see,atheists/skeptics/agnostic s exist BECAUSE OF blind believers and NOT the other way around.Without theism, there cannot be atheism.(imagine the world with no god belief,there would not even be a term "theist/deist/atheist)

How can you intelligently consider the rejection or "non belief" of your choice of belief AND the faith in that belief..as a faith itself?.Faith cannot be generated by "non-faith".A faith posits a perceived or desired truth about a belief.

ATHEISTS DON"T HAVE A BELIEF IN A GOD...that's it.

This deals with concepts of objectivity and subjectivity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacie...

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#41 Jul 20, 2009
scaritual wrote:
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Your statement "If you have no evidence to prove life origins then that mean you are a person of FAITH" is a common fallacy, by inferring if I do not accept a BELIEF personally held by you, I must supply an explanation for all the elements of your FAITH I do not accept.Which is a BELIEF to begin with.
You see,atheists/skeptics/agnostic s exist BECAUSE OF blind believers and NOT the other way around.Without theism, there cannot be atheism.(imagine the world with no god belief,there would not even be a term "theist/deist/atheist)
How can you intelligently consider the rejection or "non belief" of your choice of belief AND the faith in that belief..as a faith itself?.Faith cannot be generated by "non-faith".A faith posits a perceived or desired truth about a belief.
ATHEISTS DON"T HAVE A BELIEF IN A GOD...that's it.
This deals with concepts of objectivity and subjectivity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacie...
Hmmm...the atheists exist without the origin of their life huh! Silly!!!!...stupid!

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#42 Jul 20, 2009
Wattamoozie wrote:
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That could hold true if one zealously believed in any specific unsubstantiated scientific theory, to the exclusion of all other possibilities. There is, however, no faith required just to consider possible explanations or testing viable options ...
I think the animal in your picture is a descendant of a monkey.

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#46 Jul 20, 2009
Wattamoozie wrote:
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Couldn't you exist without knowing you were bought at the fleamarket for a set of 2nd hand false teeth ?
Huh! You exist so real without a spirit.

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#47 Jul 20, 2009
Wattamoozie wrote:
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Appleboy not so sharp. See my response to him :
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TUGI0DV... #
You are too blunt! Coz you only look at your parents making you without any respect for your grandparents.

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#48 Jul 20, 2009
DebJ wrote:
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I appreciate your apology but I resent that it turned into a sermon. I know you didn't intend to insult me again but I will not tolerate your pushing your beliefs (unasked for) every single time you post.
Let's leave it right here.
I still want to be pushy with the grandma before it's too late for her grandchildren running away from God. You are too old to run away from God. Each day is counted and your age is catching up and you are near to the end meeting God leaving your skeletons scattered on and in the ground. You haven't reaslly realized that your body is composed of atoms and the spirit was breathed into it and it became alive in the image of God. But a devil can be quite misleading that make one daring enough to run away from the infinite force that was responsible for all creation. Fill yourself with the spirit of God and don't let devil take charge coz it could ruin your future afterlife world.

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#51 Jul 20, 2009
Wattamoozie wrote:
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You are about as sharp as a noodle ! Were you looking on when your parents were making you ? How did your grandparents feel about THAT, huh ?
I am sure you can feel the trust!

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