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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#236287 Sep 5, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
I answered them appropriately, you just didn't like the honesty.
No you didn't. Please stop. You are embarrassing yourself.
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>I don't need your permission, do I.
Smile.
To answer my questions, no you don't - but it does show your cowardliness.

Since: May 11

Reality, USA

#236288 Sep 5, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
One of the reason I came to this site was too see if Atheist could convince me there were holes sort of speak in my faith. I have found the complete opposite. Atheism has shored up what I believe in the Bible and about God.
There has not been one scripture or one story reported in the Bible that Atheist bring up that has ever discouraged me. What I have found that Atheist are poorly prepared in discussing the bible. They go to these Atheistic pre-packaged sites and plagiarize what some incompetent idiot has annotated.
And because that idiot didn’t bother to do any research before making his or her point. It has been a cake walk. I’m mean it’s like playing softball with three year olds. Now I have came across on occasion some very intelligent Atheist. But these types stay in the boundaries of their college discipline.
But even then these very educated types have only helped me understand. And not once discouraged my faith. There knowledge I have appreciated very much. Because they have help me gain a better understanding in some discussions.
The holes I find are in the Atheistic belief. Atheist are far less objective and much more narrow minded than Christians. This works in my advantage in these arena engagements. Honestly it’s not a fair fight but hey that’s what makes it so much fun for me. I enjoy shooting holes into an already shoddy belief system. Atheist are very predictable and bring absolutely no new arguments to the table which makes this just too easy.
And another interesting way of writing to completely divert and avoid questions posed to you. Why am I not surprised?
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#236289 Sep 5, 2014
USN Atheist wrote:
<quoted text>
I detect a slight trace of sarcasm in your hoofed animals jumping over a river. If sarcasm was not your intent then please do read some more on evolution, the article I linked, as well as many more articles from reputable sources easily found via your favorite search engine.
I know of no other talking serpents other than the "pre-cursed" one. The "post-cursed" one you suggest probably had too much of a dry mouth, from eating dust, to be able to speak anymore...yes, that was sarcasm.
I have researched hoofed animals morphing into whales via evolution. When the speculation and artist conceptions are removed from the science there’s just nothing there at all.

And yes there are at times some sarcasm comes from me because I see it coming this way often. But in all honesty I just can’t believe everything put out there by evolutionist. I just don’t have a child like imagination to be gullible to believe a hoofed animal evolved into whales of any sort. It’s just too bazaar.

When one considers the advanced sonar capability of whales & dolphins it’s just beyond me to believe a lot of this hype from evolutionist. Now I do believe as I stated before some aspects of evolution as it is pretty obvious.

Other bazaar aspects that are reached entirely on speculation I just refuse to believe.

Since: May 11

Reality, USA

#236290 Sep 5, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
I have researched hoofed animals morphing into whales via evolution. When the speculation and artist conceptions are removed from the science there’s just nothing there at all.
And yes there are at times some sarcasm comes from me because I see it coming this way often. But in all honesty I just can’t believe everything put out there by evolutionist. I just don’t have a child like imagination to be gullible to believe a hoofed animal evolved into whales of any sort. It’s just too bazaar.
When one considers the advanced sonar capability of whales & dolphins it’s just beyond me to believe a lot of this hype from evolutionist. Now I do believe as I stated before some aspects of evolution as it is pretty obvious.
Other bazaar aspects that are reached entirely on speculation I just refuse to believe.
And yet you are childish enough to believe this:
How about a talking serpent?
Talking vegetation (bush)?
A woman turning into a pillar of salt?
Moses' rod turning into a serpent?

And childish enough to put your hands over your ears and say "LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!! I can't hear you therefore I cannot answer what you wrote to me! LA-LA-LA-LA!!"
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#236291 Sep 5, 2014
USN Atheist wrote:
<quoted text>
And yet you are childish enough to believe this:
How about a talking serpent?
Talking vegetation (bush)?
A woman turning into a pillar of salt?
Moses' rod turning into a serpent?
And childish enough to put your hands over your ears and say "LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!! I can't hear you therefore I cannot answer what you wrote to me! LA-LA-LA-LA!!"
Here’s something you need to keep in mind when referring to the talking pre-cursed serpent. We do not know what it looked like. Obviously different than the post-cursed serpent.

You don’t think animals can talk to humans?

It is not unheard off in this day and time to have animals actually talk to humans in our language. The African Grey Parrot is known for not just talking but comprehending human language. We are not talking about mimicking but more advanced communication.

I had a couple of birds that lived with us in my home in Houston. These were cockatiels and they learned to respond to certain questions asked to them. One of my good friends had a cockatiel that would talk in plain human language.

Some species of birds are far more intelligent than you might think. Other animals like the primates for example have in some cases learned sign language. And have been able to communicate to researchers at a much higher level than previously thought.

So animals communicating to us is not far fetched. Some people are even able to understand what their dogs and cats are trying to communicate.

Did you know there is to this day a pillar of salt in the region of Sodom and Gomorrah? It looks as if a woman was frozen in time looking back. Is it the actual one the bible is referring too? I don’t know. But there's something there to this day.
Patrick

United States

#236292 Sep 5, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Here’s something you need to keep in mind when referring to the talking pre-cursed serpent. We do not know what it looked like. Obviously different than the post-cursed serpent.
You don’t think animals can talk to humans?
It is not unheard off in this day and time to have animals actually talk to humans in our language. The African Grey Parrot is known for not just talking but comprehending human language. We are not talking about mimicking but more advanced communication.
I had a couple of birds that lived with us in my home in Houston. These were cockatiels and they learned to respond to certain questions asked to them. One of my good friends had a cockatiel that would talk in plain human language.
Some species of birds are far more intelligent than you might think. Other animals like the primates for example have in some cases learned sign language. And have been able to communicate to researchers at a much higher level than previously thought.
So animals communicating to us is not far fetched. Some people are even able to understand what their dogs and cats are trying to communicate.
Did you know there is to this day a pillar of salt in the region of Sodom and Gomorrah? It looks as if a woman was frozen in time looking back. Is it the actual one the bible is referring too? I don’t know. But there's something there to this day.
and...

It is estimated that 233,000 men in the US will be diagnosed with prostate cancer this year. Although current screening methods for the disease - such as digital rectal exams - aid early detection, they are not always accurate. But with the help of "man's best friend," a new screening technique could be in the cards.

A new study from Italian researchers, presented at the 109th Annual Scientific Meeting of the American Urological Association in Orlando, FL, found that specially trained dogs were able to detect prostate cancer from urine samples with 98% accuracy.

There is no denying a dog's extraordinary sense of smell. While we have around 5 million olfactory cells in our noses - receptors that detect different odors - dogs have approximately 200 million. It is dogs' acute ability to trace scents that has made them so attractive to the medical world.

In November last year, a spotlight feature from Medical News Today delved into the world of medical detection dogs. The feature looked at how the animals can help alert a diabetic owner to high or low blood sugar levels through being trained to detect a specific scent in their breath or sweat.

The feature also explored how dogs are now being used for detection of various cancers. One study revealed that trained detection dogs were able to detect ovarian cancer in tissue and blood samples through sniffing out volatile organic compounds (VOCs). A 2011 study, conducted by researchers at UK charity Medical Detection Dogs, found that such compounds could also be biomarkers of bladder cancer.

The authors of this latest research note that in 2010, a study demonstrated that specially trained dogs were able to smell VOCs released into urine from prostate cancer tumors. But this study only involved 33 patients. Therefore, the Italian research team set out to determine dogs' detection accuracy in a larger sample.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#236293 Sep 5, 2014
USN Atheist wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, let's see. We have already covered the "poof" thingie of man created from dirt and "poof" woman from the rib of a man.
Well, let's see...

I've noted that the very first verse of the Bible noted the big bang. Science just caught up.

You noted that life was created out of the earth. Took science nearly 4,000 years to learn.

You missed a point about Adam and Eve... Human life began genderless. The Bible wins by thousands again.

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#236294 Sep 5, 2014
But more importantly, you are avoiding the issue that only Muslims are doing such things. That fact exposes only your bigotry.

Smile.
Thinking wrote:
churches are getting very silent over here. And empty. And becoming gastro pubs.
<quoted text>
So we are back to you girls claiming that Christians marry rape victims but can only show Muslims doing so.

Are you stupidly confusing Muslims with Christians, or are you lying?

SMile.

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#236295 Sep 5, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you see any horseshoe crabs operating any fishing boats? Like one of them being the captain?
This animal hasn’t changed in 500 million years. Don’t get mad at me because they haven’t changed according to the fossil records. It’s just the way it is.
Other animals have seen some moderate changes. So evolutionary wording can apply. Evolution has certainly been a part of knowledge and the language of mankind.
But personally I don’t see any concrete evidence that says we evolved from primates. I’m just not buying everything evolutionist are putting out there. Like I said it’s pure fantasy to believe whales evolved from hoofed land animals. It’s a Walt Disney type tale that applies to the tail.
I believe mankind was created purposely by a designer. I also believe many of the animals today were purposely created like for example the humming bird. Others evolved over time. I think it’s entirely possible there were prototypes of mankind as God tinkered in his garage sort of speak. But in the end God created and the first example of CPR was applied to Adam to start his pulmonary system.
At any rate, it's encouraging to see theists, and specifically Christian theists, adjust their mythic religious beliefs to reflect what is known through the scientific method.
Eagle 12 wrote:
50 years ago Atheist thought it was a joke when they read where God removed a rib from Adam to create Eve. Today we know the rib bone has stem cells. And we understand the possibilities of what can be done with stem cells.
I guess your deity ran out of magic man dirt, huh, so in comes the rib?

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#236296 Sep 5, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, let's see...
I've noted that the very first verse of the Bible noted the big bang. Science just caught up.
You noted that life was created out of the earth. Took science nearly 4,000 years to learn.
You missed a point about Adam and Eve... Human life began genderless. The Bible wins by thousands again.
Smile.
All of the above are your beliefs based upon your religious mythology.

Those mythology based beliefs change in reaction to scientific discoveries.

So, really, your mythological book is just a collection of "suggestions" and have no validity at all.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#236297 Sep 5, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, let's see...
I've noted that the very first verse of the Bible noted the big bang. Science just caught up.
You noted that life was created out of the earth. Took science nearly 4,000 years to learn.
You missed a point about Adam and Eve... Human life began genderless. The Bible wins by thousands again.
Smile.
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
All of the above are your beliefs based upon your religious mythology.
Those mythology based beliefs change in reaction to scientific discoveries.
So, really, your mythological book is just a collection of "suggestions" and have no validity at all.
I didn't list my beliefs. I quoted what the Bible says in the first chapter.

Those haven't changed in 3,500 years. What changed is scientific understanding.

The problem you have is explaining how a 'mythological' book nailed creation facts thousands of years before man understood them.

I'd love to hear your answer...

Smirk.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#236298 Sep 5, 2014
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
At any rate, it's encouraging to see theists, and specifically Christian theists, adjust their mythic religious beliefs to reflect what is known through the scientific method.
<quoted text> I guess your deity ran out of magic man dirt, huh, so in comes the rib?
We know, you would have done it way different. But that’s why you are where you are in life because you didn’t think things through.

Since: May 11

Reality, USA

#236299 Sep 5, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Here’s something you need to keep in mind when referring to the talking pre-cursed serpent. We do not know what it looked like. Obviously different than the post-cursed serpent.
You don’t think animals can talk to humans?
It is not unheard off in this day and time to have animals actually talk to humans in our language. The African Grey Parrot is known for not just talking but comprehending human language. We are not talking about mimicking but more advanced communication.
I had a couple of birds that lived with us in my home in Houston. These were cockatiels and they learned to respond to certain questions asked to them. One of my good friends had a cockatiel that would talk in plain human language.
Some species of birds are far more intelligent than you might think. Other animals like the primates for example have in some cases learned sign language. And have been able to communicate to researchers at a much higher level than previously thought.
So animals communicating to us is not far fetched. Some people are even able to understand what their dogs and cats are trying to communicate.
Did you know there is to this day a pillar of salt in the region of Sodom and Gomorrah? It looks as if a woman was frozen in time looking back. Is it the actual one the bible is referring too? I don’t know. But there's something there to this day.
Seriously?

This is the response I get? You are comparing a talking serpent, speaking in a language understandable by a human, telling a human to do something that the human was told not to do - although the human in question did not know right from wrong so why she got the blame for eating the fruit without having the knowledge that what she was doing was wrong is beyond me...I think it was a set-up. But that is for another time.

So your example of a modern primates being taught sign language and birds mimicking humans is your final answer?

And a salt formation as well?

You disappoint.

Disclaimer:
Please don't even think my words above are to be construed that I have any belief whatsoever that a talking snake or Eve ever existed but for in a book of fiction.

Have a great evening!

Since: May 11

Reality, USA

#236300 Sep 5, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, let's see...
I've noted that the very first verse of the Bible noted the big bang. Science just caught up.
You noted that life was created out of the earth. Took science nearly 4,000 years to learn.
You missed a point about Adam and Eve... Human life began genderless. The Bible wins by thousands again.
Smile.
Apparently you are one who does not take the bible literally?

Sorry...equating "In the beginning, god created..." to the Big Bang does not fly. Nor does the rest, thanks anyways.

Since: May 11

Reality, USA

#236301 Sep 5, 2014
KiMare wrote:
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, let's see...
I've noted that the very first verse of the Bible noted the big bang. Science just caught up.
You noted that life was created out of the earth. Took science nearly 4,000 years to learn.
You missed a point about Adam and Eve... Human life began genderless. The Bible wins by thousands again.
Smile.
<quoted text>
I didn't list my beliefs. I quoted what the Bible says in the first chapter.
Those haven't changed in 3,500 years. What changed is scientific understanding.
The problem you have is explaining how a 'mythological' book nailed creation facts thousands of years before man understood them.
I'd love to hear your answer...
Smirk.
How about if I wrote a book saying "In the beginning, Spiderman created..."? How is my book any different from your bible?
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#236302 Sep 5, 2014
USN Atheist wrote:
<quoted text>
Seriously?
This is the response I Have a great evening!
Talking animals? All a myth? Impossible?
Alex (1976 – September 6, 2007) was an African grey parrot and the subject of a thirty-year (1977–2007) experiment by animal psychologist Irene Pepperberg, initially at the University of Arizona and later at Harvard University and Brandeis University.
When Alex was about one year old, Pepperberg bought him at a pet shop. The name "Alex" was an acronym for avian language experiment, but Pepperberg later cited the name as meaning avian learning experiment to evoke further acceptance in her research field, a then-touchy topic (explained in her book, Alex & Me).
Before Pepperberg's work with Alex, it was widely believed in the scientific community that a large primate brain was needed to handle complex problems related to language and understanding; birds were not considered to be intelligent as their only common use of communication was of mimicking and the repetition of sounds to interact with each other. However, Alex's accomplishments supported the idea that birds may be able to reason on a basic level and use words creatively. Pepperberg wrote that Alex's intelligence was on a par with that of dolphins and great apes. She also reported that Alex had the intelligence of a five-year-old human and had not even reached his full potential by the time he died. She said that the bird had the emotional level of a human two-year-old at the time of his death.
Pepperberg said he could identify 50 different objects and recognize quantities up to six; that he could distinguish seven colors and five shapes, and understand the concepts of "bigger", "smaller", "same", and "different", and that he was learning "over" and "under". Alex passed increasingly difficult tests measuring whether humans have achieved Piaget's Substage 6 object permanence. Alex showed surprise and anger when confronted with a nonexistent object or one different from what he had been led to believe was hidden during the tests.
Alex had a vocabulary of over 100 words, but was exceptional in that he appeared to have understanding of what he said. For example, when Alex was shown an object and was asked about its shape, color, or material, he could label it correctly. He could understand that a key was a key no matter what its size or color, and could figure out how the key was different from others. He asked what color he was, and learned "grey" after being told the answer six times.
Alex understood the turn-taking of communication and often the syntax used in language. He called an apple a "banerry", which a Pepperberg's linguist friend thought to be a combination of "banana" and "cherry," two fruits he was more familiar with.
Alex could even add, to a limited extent, correctly giving the number of similar objects on a tray. Pepperberg said that if he could not count, the data could be interpreted as his being able to quickly and accurately estimate the number of something, better than humans can. When he was tired of being tested, he would say “Wanna go back,” meaning he wanted to go back to his cage, and in general, he would request where he wanted to be taken by saying "Wanna go...", protest if he was taken to a different place, and sit quietly when taken to his preferred spot. He was not trained to say where he wanted to go, but picked it up from being asked where he'd like to be taken.
If the researcher displayed irritation, Alex tried to defuse it with the phrase,“I’m sorry.” If he said “Wanna banana,” but was offered a nut instead, he stared in silence, asked for the banana again, or took the nut and threw it at the researcher or otherwise displayed annoyance, before requesting the item again. When asked questions in the context of research testing, he gave the correct answer approximately 80% of the time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_ (parrot)
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#236303 Sep 5, 2014
USN Atheist wrote:
<quoted text>
Seriously?
This is the response I get? You are comparing a talking serpent, speaking in a language understandable by a human, telling a human to do something that the human was told not to do - although the human in question did not know right from wrong so why she got the blame for eating the fruit without having the knowledge that what she was doing was wrong is beyond me...I think it was a set-up. But that is for another time.
So your example of a modern primates being taught sign language and birds mimicking humans is your final answer?
And a salt formation as well?
You disappoint.
Disclaimer:
Please don't even think my words above are to be construed that I have any belief whatsoever that a talking snake or Eve ever existed but for in a book of fiction.
Have a great evening!
Talking animals that Atheist claim is all a myth?

Alex (1976 – September 6, 2007) was an African grey parrot and the subject of a thirty-year (1977–2007) experiment by animal psychologist Irene Pepperberg, initially at the University of Arizona and later at Harvard University and Brandeis University.
When Alex was about one year old, Pepperberg bought him at a pet shop. The name "Alex" was an acronym for avian language experiment, but Pepperberg later cited the name as meaning avian learning experiment to evoke further acceptance in her research field, a then-touchy topic (explained in her book, Alex & Me).

Before Pepperberg's work with Alex, it was widely believed in the scientific community that a large primate brain was needed to handle complex problems related to language and understanding; birds were not considered to be intelligent as their only common use of communication was of mimicking and the repetition of sounds to interact with each other. However, Alex's accomplishments supported the idea that birds may be able to reason on a basic level and use words creatively. Pepperberg wrote that Alex's intelligence was on a par with that of dolphins and great apes. She also reported that Alex had the intelligence of a five-year-old human and had not even reached his full potential by the time he died. She said that the bird had the emotional level of a human two-year-old at the time of his death.

Pepperberg said he could identify 50 different objects and recognize quantities up to six; that he could distinguish seven colors and five shapes, and understand the concepts of "bigger", "smaller", "same", and "different", and that he was learning "over" and "under". Alex passed increasingly difficult tests measuring whether humans have achieved Piaget's Substage 6 object permanence. Alex showed surprise and anger when confronted with a nonexistent object or one different from what he had been led to believe was hidden during the tests.

Alex had a vocabulary of over 100 words, but was exceptional in that he appeared to have understanding of what he said. For example, when Alex was shown an object and was asked about its shape, color, or material, he could label it correctly. He could understand that a key was a key no matter what its size or color, and could figure out how the key was different from others. He asked what color he was, and learned "grey" after being told the answer six times.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_ (parrot)
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#236304 Sep 5, 2014
USN Atheist wrote:
<quoted text>
Seriously?
This is the response I get? You are comparing a talking serpent, speaking in a language understandable by a human, telling a human to do something that the human was told not to do - although the human in question did not know right from wrong so why she got the blame for eating the fruit without having the knowledge that what she was doing was wrong is beyond me...I think it was a set-up. But that is for another time.
So your example of a modern primates being taught sign language and birds mimicking humans is your final answer?
And a salt formation as well?
You disappoint.
Disclaimer:
Please don't even think my words above are to be construed that I have any belief whatsoever that a talking snake or Eve ever existed but for in a book of fiction.
Have a great evening!
“Alex” the African Parrot could talk and reason. Sorry to have deflated your ego. I just goes with the territory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_ (parrot)
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#236305 Sep 5, 2014
Patrick wrote:
<quoted text>
and...
It is estimated that 233,000 men in the US will be diagnosed with prostate cancer this year. Although current screening methods for the disease - such as digital rectal exams - aid early detection, they are not always accurate. But with the help of "man's best friend," a new screening technique could be in the cards.
A new study from Italian researchers, presented at the 109th Annual Scientific Meeting of the American Urological Association in Orlando, FL, found that specially trained dogs were able to detect prostate cancer from urine samples with 98% accuracy.
There is no denying a dog's extraordinary sense of smell. While we have around 5 million olfactory cells in our noses - receptors that detect different odors - dogs have approximately 200 million. It is dogs' acute ability to trace scents that has made them so attractive to the medical world.
In November last year, a spotlight feature from Medical News Today delved into the world of medical detection dogs. The feature looked at how the animals can help alert a diabetic owner to high or low blood sugar levels through being trained to detect a specific scent in their breath or sweat.
The feature also explored how dogs are now being used for detection of various cancers. One study revealed that trained detection dogs were able to detect ovarian cancer in tissue and blood samples through sniffing out volatile organic compounds (VOCs). A 2011 study, conducted by researchers at UK charity Medical Detection Dogs, found that such compounds could also be biomarkers of bladder cancer.
The authors of this latest research note that in 2010, a study demonstrated that specially trained dogs were able to smell VOCs released into urine from prostate cancer tumors. But this study only involved 33 patients. Therefore, the Italian research team set out to determine dogs' detection accuracy in a larger sample.
ADHD, is perhaps not the response you were expecting but your lack of ability to stay somewhat on subject does give us this opportunity to discuss it. No one will think less of you if you decide to get some help.


Definition

By Mayo Clinic Staff

Adult attention-deficit/hyperactivit y disorder (ADHD) is a mental health condition exhibited by difficulty maintaining attention, as well as hyperactivity and impulsive behavior. Adult ADHD symptoms can lead to a number of problems, including unstable relationships, poor work or school performance, and low self-esteem.
ADHD always starts in early childhood, but in some cases it's not diagnosed until later in life. It was once thought that ADHD was limited to childhood. But symptoms frequently persist into adulthood. For some people, adult ADHD causes significant problems that improve with treatment.
Treatment for adult ADHD is similar to treatment for childhood ADHD, and includes stimulant drugs or other medications, psychological counseling (psychotherapy), and treatment for any mental health conditions that occur along with adult ADHD.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#236306 Sep 5, 2014
USN Atheist wrote:
<quoted text>
Apparently you are one who does not take the bible literally?
Sorry...equating "In the beginning, god created..." to the Big Bang does not fly. Nor does the rest, thanks anyways.
LOL, that ranks way up there with a rational response...

Just admit you can't explain it and you are afraid to face the truth.

Smile.

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