Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

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Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#235468 Aug 27, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new s/article-2734694/It-hard-appa lling-nature-abuse-child-victi ms-suffered-1-400-children-sex ually-exploited-just-one-town- 16-year-period-report-reveals. html
ChristineM, how did your and your peers enlightened view of the world allow this to happen? At least 1400 cases.
Good of you to try hoiking the blame onto me. How about shifting to where the blame belongs, the perpetrators and alleged child care authorities of Rotherham?

No me and not my peers, terrible just the same. No consolation to the victims but this is a far bigger matter than you can realise in your distant and so perfect part of the world, the repercussions will go from the streets of Rotherham right up to Westminster, and possibly to Brussels. It will no doubt also rally those racists (eg EDL and BNP) who will consider it a good band wagon to jump on.

Tell me how did you and your peers enlightened view allow this to happen
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-12/st-l...
Patrick

United States

#235469 Aug 27, 2014
USN Atheist wrote:
<quoted text>
So which do you believe and why?
Do you only pick those parts of the buybull that soothe you and say what you want to say, throwing out that which is completely illogical (like the burning bush) and just ignoring it?
Or do you completely believe all of it even though science has proven it cannot b true and/or logic dictates that it is a fictional account?
And, you are on an atheist forum and a thread about atheism - why are my opinions here desired to be discouraged by you? Are they hitting too close to being logical for you and causing you to question your faith?
An atheist forum is for an exchange of ideas?
Good friends showing respect for each others opinions.
Opinions may have been discussed for years without resolution?
Time for breakfast and hot cup of excellent coffee

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#235470 Aug 27, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
And I keep asking you to show what New Testament verses Hitler followed if he were a true Christ-follower (Christian). You can't.
The only thing you have proved is what happens when someone becomes a 'rational atheist' oxymoron.
SMile.
And I keep asking you to show evidence of god... never happened yet nor has it happened during recorded history

Hitler is responsible for the murder of 6 million jews because he held the Hebrew people responsible for the death of ďhis ChristĒ

However you want NT hatred try Mathew 3:10-10 and Mathew 5:17 for starters.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#235471 Aug 27, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
The person likely has never read something called "the babble".
Unless you are referring to your comments as babble, in which case, I agree.
You call your good book what you want and I will call it what it represents to me...i.e. babble. Why? Because it is full of it

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Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#235472 Aug 27, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
"implemented Christian ideas"
How Hitler's Forces Planned To Destroy German Christianity
By JOE SHARKEY
New York Times
Published: January 13, 2002
"...summarizes the Nazi plan to subvert and destroy German Christianity, which it calls an integral part of the National Socialist scheme of world conquest.''
''It came out of discussions among an inner circle comprised of Hitler himself, other top Nazi leaders including the propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels, and a collection of party enforcers..."
"...built on many millions of pages of supporting evidence: documents, summaries, notes and memos collected by investigators".
Christine: "implemented Christian ideas"
.....Bwahahahahhahahahhahahaha hahhahahaaaaaaaa....
2002? Right so Mr Sharkey really must know a thing or two about the 1930ís and 40s.

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord." Adolf Hitler

And guess what...? Hitler was there when he said that.... was Sharkey

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#235473 Aug 27, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
...Bwahahahahhahahahhahahahahh ahahahhaaaaaaaaa....
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
...Bwhaahahhahahahahhahahahaha hahahaaaaa...
Bucks silly season again... time you saw your prison quack again, the anti psychotic brain cleaners are obviously loosing their effectiveness

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#235474 Aug 27, 2014
Thinking wrote:
"believer" used the word "prey" instead of "pray".
How Freudian.
<quoted text>
I would not notice something like that so thanks for telling me.

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Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#235475 Aug 27, 2014
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
<quoted text>
It's a very interesting story, but a sad one. And yes, your grandfather was a hero.
:-)

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#235476 Aug 27, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
And I keep asking you to show evidence of god... never happened yet nor has it happened during recorded history
Hitler is responsible for the murder of 6 million jews because he held the Hebrew people responsible for the death of ďhis ChristĒ
However you want NT hatred try Mathew 3:10-10 and Mathew 5:17 for starters.
How does Hitler's actions equate to the Disciples response to Christ's crucifiction? Moreover, gentiles carried out the crucifiction, yt? hey are not blameless.

Matt. 3:10 is about God's judgment, not man's.

The context of Matt 5 includes this: The whole Law is fulfilled in these two commands... Hitlers actions were the antithesis of that truth.

But Queen, I'm sure you know these things, don't you?

Smile.

Since: May 11

Reality, USA

#235478 Aug 27, 2014
@ Patrick:

"An atheist forum is for an exchange of ideas?"
/// I completely agree.///

"Good friends showing respect for each others opinions."
/// Again, I completely agree though the "friends" part may be pushing it. Still I do try and show respect to others that employ it in advance or give it in response to myself and others.///

"Opinions may have been discussed for years without resolution?"
/// And they will continue to do so. I have no doubt that I am not going to turn someone who has religious faith into someone that does not. Not my purpose, not my job, not my desire. I must admit though that I do enjoy poking the completely irrational haters with a stick.///

"Time for breakfast and hot cup of excellent coffee"
/// Sausage,egg and cheese croissant for me with a Coke Zero.///

“Swimming With Ignorant Snarks”

Since: Nov 10

Great White Snark

#235479 Aug 27, 2014
USN Atheist wrote:
@ Patrick:
"An atheist forum is for an exchange of ideas?"
/// I completely agree.///
"Good friends showing respect for each others opinions."
/// Again, I completely agree though the "friends" part may be pushing it. Still I do try and show respect to others that employ it in advance or give it in response to myself and others.///
"Opinions may have been discussed for years without resolution?"
/// And they will continue to do so. I have no doubt that I am not going to turn someone who has religious faith into someone that does not. Not my purpose, not my job, not my desire. I must admit though that I do enjoy poking the completely irrational haters with a stick.///
"Time for breakfast and hot cup of excellent coffee"
/// Sausage,egg and cheese croissant for me with a Coke Zero.///
Should indoctrination and brainwashing of defenseless children with unscientific and unsubstantiated faith-based nonsense that is little more than witchcraft superstition be considered informed opinion?

Informed opinion deserves a certain amount of respect. Continuation of Hebrew myth that is historically, archaeologically and scientifically lacking does not. Being politically correct where religion is concerned is dangerous to all societies.

Since: Sep 08

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#235480 Aug 27, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
No I have not, I have stated that he was born into a christian family, realised in christian tradition and followed and implemented christian ideas in his running of Germany, that he often spoke of his christianity and the reasons he did what he did. And of course he had Vatican backing and has never been excommunicated.
Now where have I stated he was a practicing christian, you are spending too much time listening to bucks lies rather than understanding reality
Another davesworld irrelevance...meant as an insult because he canít think of anything relevant to throw.
?

Is there anybody in there?

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#235481 Aug 27, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
Good of you to try hoiking the blame onto me. How about shifting to where the blame belongs, the perpetrators and alleged child care authorities of Rotherham?
No me and not my peers, terrible just the same. No consolation to the victims but this is a far bigger matter than you can realise in your distant and so perfect part of the world, the repercussions will go from the streets of Rotherham right up to Westminster, and possibly to Brussels. It will no doubt also rally those racists (eg EDL and BNP) who will consider it a good band wagon to jump on.
Tell me how did you and your peers enlightened view allow this to happen
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-12/st-l...
Rabble rousing for fun and profit.

That "poor child" was 6' 3" and almost 300 pounds, and had just thrown a much, much smaller store clerk into a display rack. Over a box of cigars.

There are reports the cop suffered blows to the head and even suffered damage to the eye socket.

There are better examples of police brutality or overreaction.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#235482 Aug 27, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
2002? Right so Mr Sharkey really must know a thing or two about the 1930ís and 40s.
"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord." Adolf Hitler
And guess what...? Hitler was there when he said that.... was Sharkey
Sharkey was writing about documents revealing the results of intense investigation during...

....what time?

Do you have conflicting investigatory results compiled closer to Hitler's time than the Nuremberg trials? Millions of pages?

Nooooooo...., I don't thinks so.



You are a raving dumb-ass.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#235483 Aug 27, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
?
Is there anybody in there?
And again it seems that you are stuck for something to throw... wassup? Getting past it?

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#235484 Aug 27, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
Good of you to try hoiking the blame onto me. How about shifting to where the blame belongs, the perpetrators and alleged child care authorities of Rotherham?
No me and not my peers, terrible just the same. No consolation to the victims but this is a far bigger matter than you can realise in your distant and so perfect part of the world, the repercussions will go from the streets of Rotherham right up to Westminster, and possibly to Brussels. It will no doubt also rally those racists (eg EDL and BNP) who will consider it a good band wagon to jump on.
Tell me how did you and your peers enlightened view allow this to happen
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-12/st-l...
Not that you have any interest in honesty, but her is a summary of what we know so far:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/michael-brow...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#235485 Aug 27, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Rabble rousing for fun and profit.
That "poor child" was 6' 3" and almost 300 pounds, and had just thrown a much, much smaller store clerk into a display rack. Over a box of cigars.
There are reports the cop suffered blows to the head and even suffered damage to the eye socket.
There are better examples of police brutality or overreaction.
He was a thug and a felon. These facts are known.

You go into a squad car on top of an armed cop, and you ask for whatever you get.

I have attacked cops. But I stopped before they shot me.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#235486 Aug 27, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Rabble rousing for fun and profit.
That "poor child" was 6' 3" and almost 300 pounds, and had just thrown a much, much smaller store clerk into a display rack. Over a box of cigars.
There are reports the cop suffered blows to the head and even suffered damage to the eye socket.
There are better examples of police brutality or overreaction.
So nothing to do with the shooting of an unarmed person... it donít matter heís only black!!! Right?

Yes there are better examples, that was just the most convenient

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#235487 Aug 27, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
Good of you to try hoiking the blame onto me. How about shifting to where the blame belongs, the perpetrators and alleged child care authorities of Rotherham?
No me and not my peers, terrible just the same. No consolation to the victims but this is a far bigger matter than you can realise in your distant and so perfect part of the world, the repercussions will go from the streets of Rotherham right up to Westminster, and possibly to Brussels. It will no doubt also rally those racists (eg EDL and BNP) who will consider it a good band wagon to jump on.
Tell me how did you and your peers enlightened view allow this to happen
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-12/st-l...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-27346...

More blame the white man.

There is also recent denouncement of ISIS by the Muslim establishment, complete with some whining about how the West should have stopped it.

Where were they in both issues before the publicity got so bad?

Taking advantage of the "diversity"

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#235488 Aug 27, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Sharkey was writing about documents revealing the results of intense investigation during...
....what time?
Do you have conflicting investigatory results compiled closer to Hitler's time than the Nuremberg trials? Millions of pages?
Nooooooo...., I don't thinks so.
You are a raving dumb-ass.
Year, right, references and corroboration please...

Because Hitler was talking about HIMSELF at the very time he lived, strange isnít it that he should talk about himself while he was alive and yet people can write books about him over 50 years after his death based on data compiled 20 years after his death and you would prefer to believe them because they match so will with your belief.

I really donít know about you but I prefer the real thing than third hand stories.

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