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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#235148 Aug 23, 2014
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
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Dumdfounded? Our Bucket of Rocks is so smart it can't even spell.
Say it real slow three times.

Smile.

Since: Sep 08

United States

#235149 Aug 23, 2014
River Tam wrote:
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Judging by your picture, you'll be sprouting some soon.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Hi Dave !!!
You are the one bright spot on this forum, little one.

That picture was from a butch cut I got 3 months ago. It has grown back with a vengeance, and since yesterday a tad matted after hanging a trapeze in the spa room. A metal pipe with a heavy chain fell and kissed me on the noggin during a moment of insufficient attentiveness. You are never too old to do something stupid.
Believer

United States

#235150 Aug 23, 2014
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
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Thanks for that. It only works on kids though.
You are Welcome !!!
But it's not a joke !
Many unanswered questions on how we all know life !
I know one thing is for sure, life did not start with a scientist !
It's true we learn from science , however I believe their is much more than that !
CunningLinguist

Umatilla, FL

#235151 Aug 23, 2014
Thinking wrote:
No worries. That was a horrible beheading. Let's hope it really hurts the islamic state's cause. I shall assume your rant wasn't in favour of their fight for indepence.:)
UK guesstimates 340 passport holders are fighting in Syria, France about 400, Belgium about 300, Germany 240 according to Channel 4 News tonight. The IS propaganda machine wants to give airtime to these people, because, as you demonstrated in your post above, it gets our attention.
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Be heading is not horrible, it's just extremely bloody. Modern, <gags> executions take longer.

It's really not the method of death that's the issue. These religious extremists want to shock and draw attention to their cause. Fortunately the majority of peaceful Muslims do not follow this idiotic train of thought,

Islam needs to purge itself of its perversions just as Catholic Church must to do this

Mercy killings, stoning for Archaic laws against women, shiites killing Sunnis and vice versa,
Sharia law, Islam is living out a date with the modern world and holding its followers in mental bondage.

Imagine the Catholic Church organizing armies, with churches in practically every country , declaring war on all Protestants, the sole intent to both unify and purify Catholicism.
This would be a global conflict.

Religion does not unite people it divides them.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#235152 Aug 23, 2014
The growing ISIS movement is religious prejudice with extremism. We in the United States have dealt with extremism before. We know just how to deal with it.

We also know we can’t stop terrorism but we can make a impact on the cost of terrorism.

To the terrorist out there. If you attack the United States or our citizens anywhere in the world. We’re going to make you pay. You’re going to pay a high price, it’s going to cost you, we promise and we deliver.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#235153 Aug 23, 2014
CunningLinguist wrote:
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Be heading is not horrible, it's just extremely bloody. Modern, <gags> executions take longer.
It's really not the method of death that's the issue. These religious extremists want to shock and draw attention to their cause. Fortunately the majority of peaceful Muslims do not follow this idiotic train of thought,
Islam needs to purge itself of its perversions just as Catholic Church must to do this
Mercy killings, stoning for Archaic laws against women, shiites killing Sunnis and vice versa,
Sharia law, Islam is living out a date with the modern world and holding its followers in mental bondage.
Imagine the Catholic Church organizing armies, with churches in practically every country , declaring war on all Protestants, the sole intent to both unify and purify Catholicism.
This would be a global conflict.
Religion does not unite people it divides them.
Religion divides but so does hate. And various sects of religion are hate filled & prejudicial.

Atheist also have hate & intolerance running through their ranks.

So we can say with confidence Atheism also divides because hate divides.

It has also been defined by the US court system as officially being a religion. A religion based on hopelessness. And without hope you have nothing.

And nothingism has never united people and it never will. Atheism divides just like many religions.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#235154 Aug 23, 2014
ChristINSANITY is EVIL wrote:
The Christians' objection to this argument involves freewill. They say that a being must have freewill to be happy. The omnibenevolent God did not wish to create robots, so he gave humans freewill to enable them to experience love and happiness. But the humans used this freewill to choose evil, and introduced imperfection into God's originally perfect universe. God had no control over this decision, so the blame for our imperfect universe is on the humans, not God.
Here is why the argument is weak. First, if God is omnipotent, then the assumption that freewill is necessary for happiness is false. If God could make it a rule that only beings with freewill may experience happiness, then he could just as easily have made it a rule that only robots may experience happiness. The latter option is clearly superior, since perfect robots will never make decisions which could render them or their creator unhappy, whereas beings with freewill could. A perfect and omnipotent God who creates beings capable of ruining their own happiness is impossible.
Second, even if we were to allow the necessity of freewill for happiness, God could have created humans with freewill who did not have the ability to choose evil, but to choose between several good options.
Third, God supposedly has freewill, and yet he does not make imperfect decisions. If humans are miniature images of God, our decisions should likewise be perfect. Also, the occupants of heaven, who presumably must have freewill to be happy, will never use that freewill to make imperfect decisions. Why would the originally perfect humans do differently?
The point remains: the presence of imperfections in the universe disproves the supposed perfection of its creator.
Freewill is self rule and without it you have imprisonment. And who among us wants to live in prison? That’s why your argument is ineffective. Without freewill you can not have happiness.

You’re asking the question in a round about way, if God is perfect why did he make imperfect beings that makes imperfect freewill decisions?

The engineer created a product that did exactly what he desired. It met his requirements and one of those requirements was to allow this creature to be able to self rule. It was a perfect creation in that it had been created to his specifications.

Now you can’t have a creature that self rules unless you are willing to accept the fact that creature can make decisions independent of the designer. Now I don’t know if you are a parent but you can’t have children unless you are willing to understand at some point they’ll make decisions independent of their parents.

Lot’s of parents have problems with letting go and letting their children have freewill. But sooner or later freewill is exercised and you hope as a parent that they make the right freewill decision. And children learn as we all have learned through trial and error. That is called learning and we learn our entire life what we should and should not have done.

The United States Navy learned years ago in order to make an successful torpedo. That torpedo would need to be able to self learn. If it missed it’s target it would remember, turn around, then correct, reengage kill the target. One could hardly make the argument that is not perfection. Because it accomplished in the end what the designer intended.

Since: Sep 08

United States

#235155 Aug 23, 2014
CunningLinguist wrote:
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Be heading is not horrible, it's just extremely bloody. Modern, <gags> executions take longer.
It's really not the method of death that's the issue. These religious extremists want to shock and draw attention to their cause. Fortunately the majority of peaceful Muslims do not follow this idiotic train of thought,
Islam needs to purge itself of its perversions just as Catholic Church must to do this
Mercy killings, stoning for Archaic laws against women, shiites killing Sunnis and vice versa,
Sharia law, Islam is living out a date with the modern world and holding its followers in mental bondage.
Imagine the Catholic Church organizing armies, with churches in practically every country , declaring war on all Protestants, the sole intent to both unify and purify Catholicism.
This would be a global conflict.
Religion does not unite people it divides them.
Not horrible, huh?

Those boys don't do it the old fashioned way in one quick chop.

That was a very immature and disturbing comment you made.

One religion would unite everyone. Singing from the same sheet of music, so to speak. The diversity is the problem, just like in political thought which BTW has killed a lot more people than religions have.

You don't think things out very well, do you?

Since: Sep 10

Manhattan Beach, CA

#235156 Aug 23, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Not horrible, huh?
Those boys don't do it the old fashioned way in one quick chop.
That was a very immature and disturbing comment you made.
One religion would unite everyone. Singing from the same sheet of music, so to speak. The diversity is the problem, just like in political thought which BTW has killed a lot more people than religions have.
You don't think things out very well, do you?
So now you're promoting a theocracy?

I would have thought your preference would be for a magnetocracy.

Or something like that.

“Jon Snow”

Since: Dec 10

The King in the Nor±h

#235157 Aug 23, 2014
Catcher1 wrote:
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So now you're promoting a theocracy?
I would have thought your preference would be for a magnetocracy.
Or something like that.
He wants to be magneto when he grows up.
Believer

Simsboro, LA

#235158 Aug 23, 2014
I would like to tell all atheist that you are very wrong on your way of thinking !
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth !
To my knowledge Adam and Eve were not scientist !
They should of left that Apple alone !
The Big Bang theory is nothing but a theory !
You can't evolve from an explosion !
Atheist spend to much time struggling with tunnel Vision trying to prove their case !
However it's a case that can't be solved by the naked eye !
Too many are educated beyond their intelligence!
Y'all won't proof and so do we!
And believe it or not their is a purpose for everyone , even atheist ,I just hadn't figured that out yet !
I'm not trying to argue because you are wrong !

Since: Sep 08

United States

#235159 Aug 23, 2014
Catcher1 wrote:
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So now you're promoting a theocracy?
I would have thought your preference would be for a magnetocracy.
Or something like that.
You have a theocracy now.

Lawyers are gods in this country. Funny how they write the laws and then interpret them, too. Eh?

Since: Sep 10

Manhattan Beach, CA

#235160 Aug 23, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You have a theocracy now.
Lawyers are gods in this country. Funny how they write the laws and then interpret them, too. Eh?
Blame our founding fathers for the Constitution.

The Congress writes the laws, the courts interpret the laws (and abrogates laws that are unconstitutional), and the Executive branch carries out the laws.

And by the way, being a lawyer is not a requirement to serve as a Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court. Even you could be appointed, Dave.

It's the best system I've come across.

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#235161 Aug 23, 2014
Believer wrote:
I would like to tell all atheist that you are very wrong on your way of thinking !
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth !
To my knowledge Adam and Eve were not scientist !
They should of left that Apple alone !
The Big Bang theory is nothing but a theory !
You can't evolve from an explosion !
Atheist spend to much time struggling with tunnel Vision trying to prove their case !
However it's a case that can't be solved by the naked eye !
Too many are educated beyond their intelligence!
Y'all won't proof and so do we!
And believe it or not their is a purpose for everyone , even atheist ,I just hadn't figured that out yet !
I'm not trying to argue because you are wrong !
"should of"

LOL

Thanks, that tells us all we need to know about you.

Since: Sep 08

United States

#235162 Aug 23, 2014
Catcher1 wrote:
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Blame our founding fathers for the Constitution.
The Congress writes the laws, the courts interpret the laws (and abrogates laws that are unconstitutional), and the Executive branch carries out the laws.
And by the way, being a lawyer is not a requirement to serve as a Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court. Even you could be appointed, Dave.
It's the best system I've come across.
Uh huh.
With the tendency to nitpicking words and follow precedent there is no way a non-lawyer could ever be a justice. The lawyers will not allow such. The Supreme Court are the supreme gods in this country. The rest are lesser gods that can be corrected by those supremes when they decide they wish to change tradition and past law xreated by Congeess. Whom, BTW, had lawyers craft and word those laws.
It does not suit them to have a higher authority, in spite of mouthings to the contrary.
CunningLinguist

Umatilla, FL

#235163 Aug 23, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Not horrible, huh?
Those boys don't do it the old fashioned way in one quick chop.
That was a very immature and disturbing comment you made.
One religion would unite everyone. Singing from the same sheet of music, so to speak. The diversity is the problem, just like in political thought which BTW has killed a lot more people than religions have.
You don't think things out very well, do you?
I know that religion poisons everything and has
already poisoned your mind.

And as usual you're wrong about beheading executions.

There are much crueler punishments, crucifixion for example, but many even worse than that.

The Brazen Bull was a hollow brass statue crafted to resemble a real bull.

Victims we­re placed inside, usually with their tongues cut out first. The door was shut, sealing them in. Fires would then be lit around the bull. As the victim succumbed to the searing heat inside, he would thrash about and scream in agony.

The movements and sounds, muted by the bull's mass, made the apparatus appear alive, the sounds inside like those of a real bull.

This effect created additional amusement for the audience, and served the added benefit of distancing them from the brutality of the torture, since they couldn't directly see the victim.

Legend has it that this device was invented by a Greek named Perillus (Perilaus in some sources) for a tyrant named Phalaris of Agrigentum.

Expecting a handsome reward for his creativity, Perillus instead became the first person placed inside the Brazen Bull.

By some reports, Phalaris himself became an eventual victim of the bull when his subjects grew tired of his mistreatment
[source: Gallonio].

Dare we delve into the horrors of the Inquisition?
That was god approved! Hail Torquemada
CunningLinguist

Umatilla, FL

#235164 Aug 23, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
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Religion divides but so does hate. And various sects of religion are hate filled & prejudicial.
Atheist also have hate & intolerance running through their ranks.
So we can say with confidence Atheism also divides because hate divides.
It has also been defined by the US court system as officially being a religion. A religion based on hopelessness. And without hope you have nothing.
And nothingism has never united people and it never will. Atheism divides just like many religions.
Wrong

Atheism is a religion like bald is a hair color,

Further - no one joins atheism, it's an individual decision based on education.

The more educated you are and scientifically literate, the less religiosity.

“Organised religion is violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism, tribalism, and bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry,
contemptuous of women and coercive toward children.”
~Christopher Hitchens
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#235165 Aug 23, 2014
CunningLinguist wrote:
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Wrong
Atheism is a religion like bald is a hair color,
Further - no one joins atheism, it's an individual decision based on education.
The more educated you are and scientifically literate, the less religiosity.
“Organised religion is violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism, tribalism, and bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry,
contemptuous of women and coercive toward children.”
~Christopher Hitchens
You may want to think of yourselves as a conglomerate group as “all” formally being university graduates. That of course is a elitism mentality that is towed behind narcissism. There’s no shortage of Atheist that are as dumb as a bag of rocks. Neither is there a shortage of narcissistic Atheist.

And there’s no test or official IQ requirement for one to call themselves an Atheist. All one has to do is proclaim one does not believe in God or Gods. And that’s it, you are in the club. By the way there are Atheist churches which confirms what the US courts have said. Officially Atheism is a religion.

Since: Sep 08

United States

#235166 Aug 23, 2014
CunningLinguist wrote:
<quoted text>
I know that religion poisons everything and has
already poisoned your mind.
And as usual you're wrong about beheading executions.
There are much crueler punishments, crucifixion for example, but many even worse than that.
The Brazen Bull was a hollow brass statue crafted to resemble a real bull.
Victims we­re placed inside, usually with their tongues cut out first. The door was shut, sealing them in. Fires would then be lit around the bull. As the victim succumbed to the searing heat inside, he would thrash about and scream in agony.
The movements and sounds, muted by the bull's mass, made the apparatus appear alive, the sounds inside like those of a real bull.
This effect created additional amusement for the audience, and served the added benefit of distancing them from the brutality of the torture, since they couldn't directly see the victim.
Legend has it that this device was invented by a Greek named Perillus (Perilaus in some sources) for a tyrant named Phalaris of Agrigentum.
Expecting a handsome reward for his creativity, Perillus instead became the first person placed inside the Brazen Bull.
By some reports, Phalaris himself became an eventual victim of the bull when his subjects grew tired of his mistreatment
[source: Gallonio].
Dare we delve into the horrors of the Inquisition?
That was god approved! Hail Torquemada
You are out of touch with reality.
CunningLinguist

Umatilla, FL

#235167 Aug 23, 2014
Believer wrote:
I would like to tell all atheist that you are very wrong on your way of thinking !
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth !
To my knowledge Adam and Eve were not scientist !
They should of left that Apple alone !
The Big Bang theory is nothing but a theory !
You can't evolve from an explosion !
Atheist spend to much time struggling with tunnel Vision trying to prove their case !
However it's a case that can't be solved by the naked eye !
Too many are educated beyond their intelligence!
Y'all won't proof and so do we!
And believe it or not their is a purpose for everyone , even atheist ,I just hadn't figured that out yet !
I'm not trying to argue because you are wrong !
Thank you for sharing your mythology...

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