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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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religionisillnes s

London, UK

#234262 Aug 5, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
You are dangerously close to believing In intelligent design.
FINALLY! You admit that believing in Creationism is dangerous.
religionisillnes s

London, UK

#234263 Aug 5, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
You still dodge the question.
"infinity" is something we wrote. You want to bend the universe to fit it. You can't.
Don't use the term if you don't like it. You are not allowed to selectively apply it when it suits you, or change it into something it's not.
Again, what is the largest finite number that corresponds to the expansion?
Why can't you add 1 to it?
Add black holes to the list of other things you dont believe in buck:

science
atheism
logic
evidence
common sense
reason
religionisillnes s

London, UK

#234264 Aug 5, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
You still dodge the question.
"infinity" is something we wrote. You want to bend the universe to fit it. You can't.
Don't use the term if you don't like it. You are not allowed to selectively apply it when it suits you, or change it into something it's not.
Again, what is the largest finite number that corresponds to the expansion?
Why can't you add 1 to it?
If god created everything, why do you deny inifinity?

How dare you question your own god's work?!?!?!

“Wrath”

Since: Dec 10

Is revenant

#234266 Aug 5, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
You still dodge the question.
"infinity" is something we wrote. You want to bend the universe to fit it. You can't.
Don't use the term if you don't like it. You are not allowed to selectively apply it when it suits you, or change it into something it's not.
Again, what is the largest finite number that corresponds to the expansion?
Why can't you add 1 to it?
You have it entirely wrong.
We assume finite is right, but have found no measuring stick to fit the universe.
Everything we have learned about it, increased it's measure . But no method has yet measured it''s entirety.
CunningLinguist

Spring Hill, FL

#234267 Aug 5, 2014
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
<quoted text>
The interesting thing about that one, is that it wasn't originally the Xian God who fired off lightning bolts. It was the Roman head deity, Jupiter Optimus Maximus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jupiter_ (mythology)
http://www.varchive.org/itb/thunder.htm
http://www.pantheon.org/articles/j/jupiter.ht...
Original thinkers.
Surely there's a place for Thor in this mythology!

Gr8 links!
Thanks
Anti-theist

Glasgow, UK

#234268 Aug 5, 2014
The claim that Atheism requires as much faith as religion, or in another form, the 'atheism is another form of religion' argument, is ridiculously stupid.

It doesn't require faith to only find true those things that have been proven beyond all reasonable doubt to be true, with the backing of peer reviewed evidence to support them.
Religion and spirituality can't now, and never will be able to give us that.

Religion by definition is "the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.".

Atheism is precisely not that. It doesn't take faith to not believe in something, and to state that non-belief requires as much faith as belief is an exercise in moral totalitarianism as much as it is a logical fallacy.

It presupposes that your stance is not only correct, but morally superior, and that puts you in a position where the scientific evidence and the historical and social evidence both stack up against you.

The dominant Abrahamic religions have singularly failed to provide any evidence whatsoever to support their claims that their god, Yahweh, is real, and even their less aggressive devotees still insist on naively attempting to challenge anyone who points that out.
Their more aggressive devotees impose themselves on everyone they meet.

Dawkins pointed it out perfectly, when someone asked him "what if you're wrong?". Your religion is a cultural attachment. If you live in current day North America, you'll likely be christian. If you live in India you may be Hindu, or if you'd been brought up in Denmark in the time of the Vikings you'd have believed in Odin. With all these gods to choose from, and with every religion claiming that their god is the only true god, what if YOU'RE wrong?
Anti-theist

Glasgow, UK

#234269 Aug 5, 2014
Worth also pointing out that the vast majority of christians have no idea who 'Yahweh' is.

Their own god.
Anti-theist

Glasgow, UK

#234270 Aug 5, 2014
Or that they worship the same god as jews and muslims.
Patrick

United States

#234271 Aug 5, 2014
religionisillness wrote:
<quoted text>
If god created everything, why do you deny inifinity?
How dare you question your own god's work?!?!?!
people have different opinions.
Take in a show in London and enjoy yourself.

“Game Over”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#234272 Aug 5, 2014
Anti-theist wrote:
The claim that Atheism requires as much faith as religion, or in another form, the 'atheism is another form of religion' argument, is ridiculously stupid.
It doesn't require faith to only find true those things that have been proven beyond all reasonable doubt to be true, with the backing of peer reviewed evidence to support them.
Religion and spirituality can't now, and never will be able to give us that.
Religion by definition is "the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.".
Atheism is precisely not that. It doesn't take faith to not believe in something, and to state that non-belief requires as much faith as belief is an exercise in moral totalitarianism as much as it is a logical fallacy.
It presupposes that your stance is not only correct, but morally superior, and that puts you in a position where the scientific evidence and the historical and social evidence both stack up against you.
The dominant Abrahamic religions have singularly failed to provide any evidence whatsoever to support their claims that their god, Yahweh, is real, and even their less aggressive devotees still insist on naively attempting to challenge anyone who points that out.
Their more aggressive devotees impose themselves on everyone they meet.
Dawkins pointed it out perfectly, when someone asked him "what if you're wrong?". Your religion is a cultural attachment. If you live in current day North America, you'll likely be christian. If you live in India you may be Hindu, or if you'd been brought up in Denmark in the time of the Vikings you'd have believed in Odin. With all these gods to choose from, and with every religion claiming that their god is the only true god, what if YOU'RE wrong?
Anti-theist !!!

I remember you from London.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#234273 Aug 6, 2014
Stilgar Fifrawi wrote:
<quoted text>
No, dear...
ChristineM wrote:
I have told you 10 million times to stop exaggerating.
...that was you.
Yes dear, it was me, I remember distinctly because I wrote it

It’s called sarcasm, have you never heard of it before?

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#234274 Aug 6, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
That does nothing to answer my question. What it does do is expose the depravity of Islam that hide behind women and children.
You want the question answered.

Israel was formed after WW2 because the Israelis were on the winning side and the Palestinians weren’t – no god involved

Israel was formed on the ancestral lands of the Palestinians, thus stealing that land. No god involved but perhaps some god of greed.

In that greed Israel repeatedly steals more land and expands into what remains of Palestinian lands to create more Israeli settlements – more of the god of greed here I think.

And those Israelis get all incredulous that the Palestinians object to this theft and want their land back and so blockade imports including humanitarian aid and medication into Gaza for 8 years – no god involved but the god of spite.

Due to Israeli greed and US intransigence the Palestinians have to opt for violent methods. Funny thing is that they use the very same god you worship to justify their violence.

Whether these methods are justifiable of not is down to point of view however Israel with the financial and military backing of the US (who just happen to have a very high proportion of Jewish lobbyists in government) ensure that the toll levied by Israel of 25 (mostly innocent women, children and other un armed civilians) deaths to 1 seems fair to them and the US but outright terrorism to the rest of the world. Now this sounds more like the god of the OT and of course the US dollar

So in answer to your question, no the Hebrew massacre of women and children in Gaza has fook all to do with god and if there is a god then the murderous element of the Israeli military will be facing war crimes charges when this is all over – no god involved.

And as to hiding behind children, search these threads for NDanger and dollarsbill, good American godbots both who revel in hiding behind children. Those Palestinian women and children MURDERED by Israel were sheltering behind the safely of the UN and the UN are now discussing charges for war crimes... get over it.

Just as an aside, tell me what would you do if Joe Bloggs from down the road suddenly made a proclamation that your property was forfeit because Hitler got beaten? Do you really think you would not object?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#234275 Aug 6, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> You have it entirely wrong.
We assume finite is right, but have found no measuring stick to fit the universe.
Everything we have learned about it, increased it's measure . But no method has yet measured it''s entirety.
You can't measure lots of things. Doesn't make them infinite.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#234276 Aug 6, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
You want the question answered.
Israel was formed after WW2 because the Israelis were on the winning side and the Palestinians weren’t – no god involved
Israel was formed on the ancestral lands of the Palestinians, thus stealing that land. No god involved but perhaps some god of greed.
In that greed Israel repeatedly steals more land and expands into what remains of Palestinian lands to create more Israeli settlements – more of the god of greed here I think.
And those Israelis get all incredulous that the Palestinians object to this theft and want their land back and so blockade imports including humanitarian aid and medication into Gaza for 8 years – no god involved but the god of spite.
Due to Israeli greed and US intransigence the Palestinians have to opt for violent methods. Funny thing is that they use the very same god you worship to justify their violence.
Whether these methods are justifiable of not is down to point of view however Israel with the financial and military backing of the US (who just happen to have a very high proportion of Jewish lobbyists in government) ensure that the toll levied by Israel of 25 (mostly innocent women, children and other un armed civilians) deaths to 1 seems fair to them and the US but outright terrorism to the rest of the world. Now this sounds more like the god of the OT and of course the US dollar
So in answer to your question, no the Hebrew massacre of women and children in Gaza has fook all to do with god and if there is a god then the murderous element of the Israeli military will be facing war crimes charges when this is all over – no god involved.
And as to hiding behind children, search these threads for NDanger and dollarsbill, good American godbots both who revel in hiding behind children. Those Palestinian women and children MURDERED by Israel were sheltering behind the safely of the UN and the UN are now discussing charges for war crimes... get over it.
Just as an aside, tell me what would you do if Joe Bloggs from down the road suddenly made a proclamation that your property was forfeit because Hitler got beaten? Do you really think you would not object?
Every sentence you posted there is a bald-faced lie.

Hamas has the stated and recorded goal of murdering every man, woman, and child in Israel.

Israel gave them Gaza. In return, the cowards sneak in and blow up children.

Pictures prove in this latest round of terrorist aggression to which Israel is defensively responding with precision bombing to avoid civilian casualties, Hamas has been dragging dead bodies from the street and placing them in schools to take pictures for propaganda.

Israel needs to kill many more of them. They are human filth. They are dogs that understand nothing but death, and it should be given to them in mass.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#234277 Aug 6, 2014
Anti-theist wrote:
The claim that Atheism requires as much faith as religion, or in another form, the 'atheism is another form of religion' argument, is ridiculously stupid.
It doesn't require faith to only find true those things that have been proven beyond all reasonable doubt to be true, with the backing of peer reviewed evidence to support them.
Religion and spirituality can't now, and never will be able to give us that.
Religion by definition is "the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.".
Atheism is precisely not that. It doesn't take faith to not believe in something, and to state that non-belief requires as much faith as belief is an exercise in moral totalitarianism as much as it is a logical fallacy.
It presupposes that your stance is not only correct, but morally superior, and that puts you in a position where the scientific evidence and the historical and social evidence both stack up against you.
The dominant Abrahamic religions have singularly failed to provide any evidence whatsoever to support their claims that their god, Yahweh, is real, and even their less aggressive devotees still insist on naively attempting to challenge anyone who points that out.
Their more aggressive devotees impose themselves on everyone they meet.
Dawkins pointed it out perfectly, when someone asked him "what if you're wrong?". Your religion is a cultural attachment. If you live in current day North America, you'll likely be christian. If you live in India you may be Hindu, or if you'd been brought up in Denmark in the time of the Vikings you'd have believed in Odin. With all these gods to choose from, and with every religion claiming that their go
Atheism is not non-belief.

Atheism is belief - that no god exists. It is no less a belief than theism.

Atheism, from the Greek a-theos ("no-god"), is the philosophical position that God doesn't exist. It is distinguished from agnosticism, the argument that it is impossible to know whether God exists or not (Academic American Encyclopedia).

Atheism, system of thought developed around the denial of God's existence. Atheism, so defined, first appeared during the Enlightenment, the age of reason (Random House Encyclopedia).

Atheism is the doctrine that there is no God.(Oxford Companion to Philosophy).

Atheism (Greek, a-[private prefix]+ theos, god) is the view that there is no divine being, no God (Dictionary of Philosophy, Thomas Mautner, Editor).

Atheism is the belief that God doesn't exist (The World Book Encyclopedia).

Atheism, commonly speaking, is the denial of God. Theism (from the Greek theos, God) is belief in or conceptualization of God, atheism is the rejection of such belief or conceptualization.In the ancient world atheism was rarely a clearly formulated position (Encyclopedia Americana).

Atheism, the critique and denial of metaphysical beliefs in God or spiritual beings. Atheism is to be distinguished from agnosticism, which leaves open whether there is a god or not, professing to find the question unanswerable, for the atheist, the non-existence of god is a certainty (The New Encyclopedia Britannia).

According to the most usual definition, an atheist is a person who maintains that there is no god…(rejects eccentric definitions of the word)(The Encyclopedia of Philosophy).

Atheism is the doctrine that God does not exist, that belief in the existence of God is a false belief. The word God here refers to a divine being regarded as the independent creator of the world, a being superlatively powerful, wise and good (Encyclopedia of Religion).

Atheism (Greek and Roman): Atheism is a dogmatic creed, consisting in the denial of every kind of supernatural power. Atheism has not often been seriously maintained at any period of civilized thought (Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics-Vol II).

Atheism denies the existence of deity (Funk and Wagnall's New Encyclopedia-Vol I).

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#234278 Aug 6, 2014
CunningLinguist wrote:
<quoted text>
Surely there's a place for Thor in this mythology!
Gr8 links!
Thanks
There is a place for Thor.

Up your ass, CuddlingApenis.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#234279 Aug 6, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
You want the question answered.
Israel was formed after WW2 because the Israelis were on the winning side and the Palestinians weren’t – no god involved
Israel was formed on the ancestral lands of the Palestinians, thus stealing that land. No god n government) ensure that the toll levied by Israel of 25 (mostly innocent women, children and other un armed civilians) deaths to 1 seems fair to them and the US but outright terrorism to the rest of the world. Now this sounds more like the god of the OT and of course the US dollar
So in answer to your question, no the Hebrew massacre of women and children in Gaza has fook all to do with god and if there is a god then the murderous element of the Israeli military will be facing war crimes charges when this is all over – no god involved.
And as to hiding behind children, search these threads for NDanger and dollarsbill, good American godbots both who revel in hiding behind children. Those Palestinian women and children MURDERED by Israel were sheltering behind the safely of the UN and the UN are now discussing charges for war crimes... get over it.
Just as an aside, tell me what would you do if Joe Bloggs from down the road suddenly made a proclamation that your property was forfeit because Hitler got beaten? Do you really think you would not object?
LOL, the deceit of 'rational atheist' oxymorons never ends!

1. You have spent pages arguing that Hitler was a Christian, now you claim 'no religion'? Add to that the fact that Hitler aligned with the Muslims of the Ottoman empire and were defeated by a coalition of Christian nations.

2. Next you ignore, not only the horrific murder of millions of Jews across Europe, but the loss of their property. Add to this the years of Christians and Jews being violently caught in the genocide and excommunication by Muslims across the Muslim world including what is happening right now in Syria, Iraq and Nigeria to name a couple.

You hypocritically ignore all this and whine about the Jews having a democracy in a little piece of land on the edge of the vast Middle East. Why? Because they embarrass the hell out of the absolute failure of Allah to establish a world empire of any substance or character.

3. The hypocrisy continues with the denial of Muslim 'warriors' hiding behind women and children. This while ignoring the endemic barbaric depravity across the Muslim world of indiscriminately bombing civilian areas. How many civilians were TARGETED and killed in Baghdad alone??? What about Nigeria right now??? And you whine about Israel defending itself!!!

By the way, in the last seconds of the latest truce, Gaza indiscriminately sent a barrage of rockets at Israel. Guess what was hit? A Palestinian home! Another God thing.

4. There is ample proof that brave Muslims warriors fired from and hid weapons in and around UN facilities, schools, hospitals, crowded civilian areas and mosques to name a few. Moreover, they forced civilians to stay in those areas to facilitate the death of their own families!

Tell me, why is it that Israel is covered with rocket shelters for their citizens, while Gaza has only tunnels to assault Israeli women and children?

5. Any nation/religion that does these things DOES NOT DESERVE TO EXIST.

6. And still, none of your response explains how once again, every Muslim scheme against Israel has epically, utterly failed.

Thousands of rockets fired with more damage and death to the Muslims who fired them, then the Jews you hate. Scores of tunnels built (at the cost of at least 160 Gazan children) to mount a surprise attack against Israeli women and children. Exposed and thwarted days before they could be used.

There is no money or power that could have prevented those things from having a devastating impact. Yet they failed. Again. And all you have is a silly twisted whine...

Smile.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#234280 Aug 6, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Every sentence you posted there is a bald-faced lie.
Hamas has the stated and recorded goal of murdering every man, woman, and child in Israel.
Israel gave them Gaza. In return, the cowards sneak in and blow up children.
Pictures prove in this latest round of terrorist aggression to which Israel is defensively responding with precision bombing to avoid civilian casualties, Hamas has been dragging dead bodies from the street and placing them in schools to take pictures for propaganda.
Israel needs to kill many more of them. They are human filth. They are dogs that understand nothing but death, and it should be given to them in mass.
Nope it is not...

Or perhaps you are stating that Israel was not created because it was on the winning side in WW2
https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-195...
You are proved WRONG – again.

Or that Israel is not encroaching into the west bank?
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/06/world/middl...
You are proved WRONG – again.

Or that Israel is did not shell UN buildings?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/03/...
You are proved WRONG – again.

When will you ever learn?

Very good of the Israelis to give the Palestinians land that already belonged to them

Precision bombing?- I did not ask what you rested on your chin while you are sucking your cell mates d|ck? Since when has a bomb been a precision instrument? And a bomb targeted at a UN building is a war crime.

You ignorant racist T\/\/AT, and now we see why you consider christian and jewish genital mutilation to be fine and dandy but not Islam genital mutilation - you are one sick minded fookwit.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#234281 Aug 6, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL, the deceit of 'rational atheist' oxymorons never ends!
....
LOL godbot ignorance never ceases to surprise me.

1. I have no need to argue that Hitler was christian, the facts are evident. Who a nationalist dictator aligned with has fook all to do with religion. You may note that during WW2, the allied forces aligned with Islamic, Sikh, Hindu forces and more. So are you now saying that the US, who also (eventually) aligned with allied forces is not christian?

2. No I do not ignore the horrific murder of Jews and christians, they are ALL murder. MURDER - recognise the word? But I suppose it’s all fine for you because at the moment it’s you side doing the MURDURING

3. I have never denied that Islamic terrorist use children to hide behind, incidentally so do many christians including some on this forum. As to whether you are ignorant or you are lying I really don’t know and don’t care. The news reported it as the Israeli air force violating the truce and then claiming that the truce did not apply when they killed an 8 year old girl. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/mid... - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-27152...

4. So this is an excuse to bomb the UN? Right I will remember that next time you are sheltering in a UN sponsored building. And why is it that Palestine cannot afford rocket shelters? Could it be that Isreal has imposed economic sanctions for the last 8 years

5. Oh I agree with you so you are saying that Isreal does not deserve to exist.

6. That was not you question but trust you to be ignorant of what you asked

More KiMare lies and guess work, I do not hate jews, I hate the murderers of women and children who are sheltering under UN protection. But of course trust you to need to lie to big up your delusions.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#234282 Aug 6, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope it is not...
Or perhaps you are stating that Israel was not created because it was on the winning side in WW2
https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-195...
You are proved WRONG – again.
Or that Israel is not encroaching into the west bank?
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/06/world/middl...
You are proved WRONG – again.
Or that Israel is did not shell UN buildings?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/03/...
You are proved WRONG – again.
When will you ever learn?
Very good of the Israelis to give the Palestinians land that already belonged to them
Precision bombing?- I did not ask what you rested on your chin while you are sucking your cell mates d|ck? Since when has a bomb been a precision instrument? And a bomb targeted at a UN building is a war crime.
You ignorant racist T\/\/AT, and now we see why you consider christian and jewish genital mutilation to be fine and dandy but not Islam genital mutilation - you are one sick minded fookwit.
Yes, Israel is bombing UN buildings. They should bomb more. They should bomb mosques. They should bomb schools.

They should bomb everything Hamas uses to protect their weapons of terrorism.

The filthy Hamas run down streets firing guns while holding their babies under one arm so they might not be shot.

Even the other Islamic terrorists cannot stomach these filthy welps of a whore.

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