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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Seventh son”

Since: Dec 10

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#233435 Jul 24, 2014
Stilgar Fifrawi wrote:
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Haha. "Get your education in order, here's Wikipedia."
C'mon dude. 10-^37 seconds is an infinitesimal amount of time, not even calculable today. How the hell is it supposed to calculated 13.8 billion years in the past?
Also, how much did the universe expand between 10-^37 seconds and 10-^38 seconds? Then from 10-^38 seconds to 10-^39 seconds? We should "know" this, yes?
It's all theoretical or speculative and could never be reproduced, so it will forever be speculative.
But more importantly when we talk about infinity , there is nothing that shows it's impossible but belief. Something a theist has , not the scientist. The evidence says the Big bang happened.
The scientist see the evidence only.
The theist believes but believes a god caused it, the theist also tells me human were created by intelligent design, and that infinity is impossible.
None of which is supported by the evidence, but are in fact beliefs.
Remember the scientist does nor believe, only evaluates the evidence.

Since: May 10

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#233436 Jul 24, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> You cant help yourself , the expansion rate is not measurable in terms like you want .
It was called the inflationary epoch, a point I've been trying in some detail to explain , that you are ignoring. After that it is presumed to slow down to more a measurable constant.
But it was recently discovered it is not only increases with distance, but increasing over time.
No matter the rate, it is a rate.

No rate satisfies the equation.

"A" (average rate of expansion) x 13.8 billion years = Infinite distance

There is not a rate of expansion, whether the rate is known or unknown, that can result in infinite expansion.

No such rate can exist.

That's why you could never answer my question.

It's called a "logical trap".

I painted you into the trap, and you are stuck there.

Known or unknown, there is no rate of expansion that can result in expansion to infinite distance over 13.8 billion years, or ANY finite period of time.

None.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#233437 Jul 24, 2014
Stilgar Fifrawi wrote:

Haha. "Get your education in order, here's Wikipedia."

C'mon dude. 10-^37 seconds is an infinitesimal amount of time, not even calculable today. How the hell is it supposed to calculated 13.8 billion years in the past?

Also, how much did the universe expand between 10-^37 seconds and 10-^38 seconds? Then from 10-^38 seconds to 10-^39 seconds? We should "know" this, yes?
Aura Mytha wrote:
It's all theoretical or speculative and could never be reproduced, so it will forever be speculative.
But more importantly when we talk about infinity , there is nothing that shows it's impossible but belief. Something a theist has , not the scientist. The evidence says the Big bang happened.
The scientist see the evidence only.
The theist believes but believes a god caused it, the theist also tells me human were created by intelligent design, and that infinity is impossible.
None of which is supported by the evidence, but are in fact beliefs.
Remember the scientist does nor believe, only evaluates the evidence.
Aura, did you even read my post? You didn't respond to anything I said, you just typed what was on your mind.

It's like I say potato and you say BOWLING SHOES.

“Seventh son”

Since: Dec 10

Will Prevail

#233438 Jul 24, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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No matter the rate, it is a rate.
No rate satisfies the equation.
"A" (average rate of expansion) x 13.8 billion years = Infinite distance
There is not a rate of expansion, whether the rate is known or unknown, that can result in infinite expansion.
No such rate can exist.
That's why you could never answer my question.
It's called a "logical trap".
I painted you into the trap, and you are stuck there.
Known or unknown, there is no rate of expansion that can result in expansion to infinite distance over 13.8 billion years, or ANY finite period of time.
None.
Time is not finite the way you think Buck, it passes at variable rates.
Space/time can be compressed and stretched to where it doesn't mean what you think.
1 second could take a million years to pass between 1 time frame and the next.

Since: May 10

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#233439 Jul 24, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
It's all theoretical or speculative and could never be reproduced, so it will forever be speculative.
But more importantly when we talk about infinity , there is nothing that shows it's impossible but belief. Something a theist has , not the scientist. The evidence says the Big bang happened.
The scientist see the evidence only.
The theist believes but believes a god caused it, the theist also tells me human were created by intelligent design, and that infinity is impossible.
None of which is supported by the evidence, but are in fact beliefs.
Remember the scientist does nor believe, only evaluates the evidence.
Your infinite universe is theoretical.

That's the only place you can have "infinite" - in theory.

In reality, all infinities disappear.

No computational basis for reality can exist if infinity is included.

Since: May 10

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#233440 Jul 24, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Time is not finite the way you think Buck, it passes at variable rates.
Space/time can be compressed and stretched to where it doesn't mean what you think.
1 second could take a million years to pass between 1 time frame and the next.
A million years is still finite.

In fact, it's no closer to infinite than 1 second is.

And no matter how many million-year time frames you have, you would still be no closer to infinite time than 1 second is.

Since: Sep 08

United States

#233441 Jul 24, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
A million years is still finite.
In fact, it's no closer to infinite than 1 second is.
And no matter how many million-year time frames you have, you would still be no closer to infinite time than 1 second is.
I am afraid we lost our Aura to infinity and beyond.

The poor boy got caught in a cult.

Since: May 10

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#233442 Jul 24, 2014
Stilgar Fifrawi wrote:
Stilgar Fifrawi wrote:
Haha. "Get your education in order, here's Wikipedia."
C'mon dude. 10-^37 seconds is an infinitesimal amount of time, not even calculable today. How the hell is it supposed to calculated 13.8 billion years in the past?
Also, how much did the universe expand between 10-^37 seconds and 10-^38 seconds? Then from 10-^38 seconds to 10-^39 seconds? We should "know" this, yes?
<quoted text>
Aura, did you even read my post? You didn't respond to anything I said, you just typed what was on your mind.
It's like I say potato and you say BOWLING SHOES.
You don't understand.

Aura's answer to "potato?" would be bowling shoes.

He doesn't think real clearly.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#233443 Jul 24, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:

You don't understand.
Aura's answer to "potato?" would be bowling shoes.
He doesn't think real clearly.
I see, I see.

His last post to me has be befuddled. I'm all befuddled and shit.
Patrick

United States

#233444 Jul 24, 2014
Adolph Hitler
Joseph Stalin
Which side gets the blame for their crimes?

Since: May 10

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#233445 Jul 24, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
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I am afraid we lost our Aura to infinity and beyond.
The poor boy got caught in a cult.
In fairness to Aura,...

I have seen Polymath, alleged physicist, make the same argument.

And Darwin's Stepchild, alleged calculus instructor, make the same argument.

If the "professionals" are this stupid on infinity, we should maybe give Aura a pass.
Patrick

United States

#233446 Jul 24, 2014
Sudan 'apostasy' woman Meriam Yahia Ibrahim meets Pope

A Sudanese woman who fled to Italy after being spared a death sentence for renouncing Islam has met the Pope.

Meriam Yahia Ibrahim Ishag flew to Rome with her family after more than a month in the US embassy in Khartoum.

There was global condemnation when she was sentenced to hang for apostasy by a Sudanese court.

Mrs Ibrahim's father is Muslim so according to Sudan's version of Islamic law she is also Muslim and cannot convert.

She was raised by her Christian mother and says she has never been Muslim.

Welcoming her at the airport, Italy's Prime Minister Matteo Renzi said: "Today is a day of celebration."

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Meriam Ibrahim looked relieved as she arrived at Rome airport
Mrs Ibrahim met Pope Francis at his Santa Marta residence at the Vatican soon after her arrival.

"The Pope thanked her for her witness to faith," Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi was quoted as saying.

The meeting, which lasted around half an hour, was intended to show "closeness and solidarity for all those who suffer for their faith," he added.

'Mission accomplished'
The BBC's Alan Johnston in Rome says there was no prior indication of Italy's involvement in the case.

Lapo Pistelli, Italy's vice-minister for foreign affairs, accompanied her on the flight from Khartoum and posted a photo of himself with Mrs Ibrahim and her children on his Facebook account as they were about to land in Rome.

"Mission accomplished," he wrote.

A senior Sudanese official told Reuters news agency that the government in Khartoum had approved her departure in advance.

Mrs Ibrahim's lawyer Mohamed Mostafa Nour told BBC Focus on Africa that she travelled on a Sudanese passport she received at the last minute.

"She is unhappy to leave Sudan. She loves Sudan very much. It's the country she was born and grew up in," he said.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#233447 Jul 24, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Your infinite universe is theoretical.
That's the only place you can have "infinite" - in theory.
In reality, all infinities disappear.
No computational basis for reality can exist if infinity is included.
To be opinionated - "time" itself has theoretic components.

Which seems to me - that any explanation of time would be "a guess".

Since: Apr 09

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#233448 Jul 24, 2014
Patrick wrote:
Adolph Hitler
Joseph Stalin
Which side gets the blame for their crimes?
The Nazis and the Communists, respectively.

Since: Sep 08

United States

#233449 Jul 24, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
In fairness to Aura,...
I have seen Polymath, alleged physicist, make the same argument.
And Darwin's Stepchild, alleged calculus instructor, make the same argument.
If the "professionals" are this stupid on infinity, we should maybe give Aura a pass.
Nah.
Patrick

United States

#233450 Jul 24, 2014
Just Think wrote:
<quoted text>
The Nazis and the Communists, respectively.
Your might read "Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin" by Timothy Snyder

Americans call the Second World War “The Good War.” But before it even began, America’s wartime ally Josef Stalin had killed millions of his own citizens—and kept killing them during and after the war. Before Hitler was finally defeated, he had murdered six million Jews and nearly as many other Europeans. At war’s end, both the German and the Soviet killing sites fell behind the iron curtain, leaving the history of mass killing in darkness.

Bloodlands is a new kind of European history, presenting the mass murders committed by the Nazi and Stalinist regimes as two aspects of a single history, in the time and place where they occurred: between Germany and Russia, when Hitler and Stalin both held power. Assiduously researched, deeply humane, and utterly definitive, Bloodlands will be required reading for anyone seeking to understand the central tragedy of modern history.

Excellent account.

“Seventh son”

Since: Dec 10

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#233451 Jul 24, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Your infinite universe is theoretical.
That's the only place you can have "infinite" - in theory.
In reality, all infinities disappear.
No computational basis for reality can exist if infinity is included.

Actually all experiments in GR show it to be accurate and you to be.

Stupid

“Seventh son”

Since: Dec 10

Will Prevail

#233452 Jul 24, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
In fairness to Aura,...
I have seen Polymath, alleged physicist, make the same argument.
And Darwin's Stepchild, alleged calculus instructor, make the same argument.
If the "professionals" are this stupid on infinity, we should maybe give Aura a pass.
Dismiss the physicist, my belief us stronger than science .

“Seventh son”

Since: Dec 10

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#233453 Jul 24, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Nah.

Since: May 12

Las Vegas, NV

#233454 Jul 24, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Dismiss the physicist, my belief us stronger than science .
...you.."got"..the faith ..???

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