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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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CunningLinguist

Windermere, FL

#233414 Jul 24, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
I have a question for you.
Take two prople that survived to old age. One followed the expectations established for him by the current society, the Well Respected Man of that old song. The other bruised and battered and very experienced in the emotions of life. The uppers and the downers of it. Let's say they tasted a lot of it flavors.
Then they both die.
Which was the failure?
Neither

One for you...

Can god commit suicide?

Since: Sep 08

United States

#233415 Jul 24, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>An infinitesimal is infinitely small, Buck.
You are speaking incoherently. He beat the shit out of you.

Tell us, oh in the know one, just where does the infinitestimal become finite enough to measure?

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#233416 Jul 24, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
Aura Mytha wrote:
"An immeasurably small thing became an immeasurably large thing."
Aura Mytha wrote:
"...it was infinite the whole time."
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Bwahahahhahahahahahhahahhahaha hahahahahhahahahahhahahahahaha hahhahahahhahahahhah....whoa.
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Buck: "A finite cannot become infinite by addition"
Aura: "It started infinite"
Buck: "But Big Bang theory says it started small"
Aura: "That's right. It started infintesimally small"
Buck: "But a small finite cannot become infinite by addition"
Aura: "It started infinite"
Buck: "You said it started very small. How can it be very small but extend an infinite distance?"
Aura: "Because you can't measure it"
Buck: "What if you had an infinitely long measuring tape?"
Aura:...scratches his head...
Making sht up doesn't help you.
Infinitely small and infinitly large have something in common, gee I wonder what that is?
In the universe case, an infinitesimal is infinitely small , infinitely dense and infinitely hot and with infinite mass is what became the observable universe.
But you can't say there were not an infinite number of infinitesimals.
CunningLinguist

Windermere, FL

#233417 Jul 24, 2014
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
willfully ignorant in your case, is that you're here to attack Christianity rather than Islam or Judaism or Taoism.....
Atheism requires as much faith as religion.(Thread title in Atheism forum)

Why are you Christian in a atheist forum.

Having a few doubts about your faith.

You are here to demean, prothelitize, and ridicule atheists.

Visit religious forums, join Christian mingle , and revel in your mutual fantasies.

"I cannot believe in the immortality of the soul.... No, all this talk of an existence for us, as individuals, beyond the grave is wrong. It is born of our tenacity of life... our desire to go on living... our dread of coming to an end." ~Thomas Edison

"It ain't the parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand." ~Mark Twain

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#233418 Jul 24, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
You are speaking incoherently. He beat the shit out of you.
Tell us, oh in the know one, just where does the infinitestimal become finite enough to measure?
Theoretically the Planck length, bit we can't measure anything even that small.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_length

Since: Sep 08

United States

#233419 Jul 24, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Making sht up doesn't help you.
Infinitely small and infinitly large have something in common, gee I wonder what that is?
In the universe case, an infinitesimal is infinitely small , infinitely dense and infinitely hot and with infinite mass is what became the observable universe.
But you can't say there were not an infinite number of infinitesimals.
If it is dense it has volume that can be measured. Mass is notorious for having volume. If it can be measured it is finite.

Why don't you just admit infinite is something beyond your ability to identify instead of representing it as a something of value?

You are trapped in math sophistry. Welcome to modern math head physics. You can find the exit door by dropping a hammer on your toe.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#233420 Jul 24, 2014
CunningLinguist wrote:
<quoted text>
Atheism requires as much faith as religion.(Thread title in Atheism forum)
Why are you Christian in a atheist forum.
Having a few doubts about your faith.
You are here to demean, prothelitize, and ridicule atheists.
Visit religious forums, join Christian mingle , and revel in your mutual fantasies.
"I cannot believe in the immortality of the soul.... No, all this talk of an existence for us, as individuals, beyond the grave is wrong. It is born of our tenacity of life... our desire to go on living... our dread of coming to an end." ~Thomas Edison
"It ain't the parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand." ~Mark Twain
i'm here to reveal that there is no such thing as 'atheism'; there's only gaytheism, which is a religion of satanic origin:-)

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#233421 Jul 24, 2014
CunningLinguist wrote:
<quoted text>
Atheism requires as much faith as religion.(Thread title in Atheism forum)
Why are you Christian in a atheist forum.
Having a few doubts about your faith.
You are here to demean, prothelitize, and ridicule atheists.
Visit religious forums, join Christian mingle , and revel in your mutual fantasies.
"I cannot believe in the immortality of the soul.... No, all this talk of an existence for us, as individuals, beyond the grave is wrong. It is born of our tenacity of life... our desire to go on living... our dread of coming to an end." ~Thomas Edison
"It ain't the parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand." ~Mark Twain
BTW - why quote ignorant dead people to the informed and living???

"i cannot believe that self-righteous people like tommy ed and mark 'the gay' twain would endevour to speak on things they cannot possibly explain" - the great 'wasup' of topix!

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#233422 Jul 24, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Making sht up doesn't help you.
Infinitely small and infinitly large have something in common, gee I wonder what that is?
In the universe case, an infinitesimal is infinitely small , infinitely dense and infinitely hot and with infinite mass is what became the observable universe.
But you can't say there were not an infinite number of infinitesimals.
That doesn't help you. The extent in distance of the "infintessimal" would be 0.

The "infinitely small" has to expand to reach infinitely large - according to your assertion of the universe infinite in dimension.

It doesn't matter where you start to expand. The expansion occurs for 13.8 billion years, and you say it reaches infinite distance.

So,....

What is the rate of expansion required to reach infinite distance in 13.8 billion years?

You can start at "infinitely small" if you like. Start anywhere you want.

"A" x 13.8 billion = Infinite

What is "A"?

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#233423 Jul 24, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
If it is dense it has volume that can be measured. Mass is notorious for having volume. If it can be measured it is finite.
Why don't you just admit infinite is something beyond your ability to identify instead of representing it as a something of value?
You are trapped in math sophistry. Welcome to modern math head physics. You can find the exit door by dropping a hammer on your toe.
You again are here pronouncing the ability to do what is beyond the ability of science.
You are trying to tell me a universe in a infinitesimal state of existence , in which time nor space has yet to exist can be given a finite mass.The volume of a infinitesimal is so small it cannot be measured, it effectively cannot be distinguished from zero.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#233424 Jul 24, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
That doesn't help you. The extent in distance of the "infintessimal" would be 0.
The "infinitely small" has to expand to reach infinitely large - according to your assertion of the universe infinite in dimension.
It doesn't matter where you start to expand. The expansion occurs for 13.8 billion years, and you say it reaches infinite distance.
So,....
What is the rate of expansion required to reach infinite distance in 13.8 billion years?
You can start at "infinitely small" if you like. Start anywhere you want.
"A" x 13.8 billion = Infinite
What is "A"?
A is infinite but compressed very small, A expands for 13.8 billion years, A is infinite.
There was nothing before A , There is nothing outside of A, There is nothing else to compare A to at any given point in space/time. 13.8 billion years ago a square mile was infinitely smaller.
.

Since: Sep 08

United States

#233425 Jul 24, 2014
http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-wea...

Those pesky perturbations of our lovely gravity based stable math head universe.

I miss those discussions with Bit Twiddler.

You have to understand how electromagnetic induction works to realize its universal effect in forming masses and reactions between them.

Since: Sep 08

United States

#233426 Jul 24, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
You again are here pronouncing the ability to do what is beyond the ability of science.
You are trying to tell me a universe in a infinitesimal state of existence , in which time nor space has yet to exist can be given a finite mass.The volume of a infinitesimal is so small it cannot be measured, it effectively cannot be distinguished from zero.
The BBT, according to NASA, started off with a particle a few millimeters in diameter.

That is a finite amount. Some say even larger particles.

That is the basis of YOUR theories.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#233427 Jul 24, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
The BBT, according to NASA, started off with a particle a few millimeters in diameter.
That is a finite amount. Some say even larger particles.
That is the basis of YOUR theories.
But this particle , when it became measurable in terms we can understand.
Existed when there was nothing to measure it against in comparison.
At the time the entire universe a few millimeters in diameter was all there was, and in effect was everything there is now. But when it started, time did not yet exist the way we know it either.

Prior to the expansion period, the inflaton field was at a higher-energy state.
Random quantum fluctuations triggered a phase transition whereby the inflaton field released its potential energy as matter and radiation as it settled to its lowest-energy state.

**This action generated a repulsive force that drove the portion of the universe that is

*observable

to us today to expand from approximately 10&#8722;50 metres in radius at 10&#8722;35 seconds to almost 1 metre in radius at 10&#8722;34 seconds.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflaton

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#233428 Jul 24, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
A is infinite but compressed very small, A expands for 13.8 billion years, A is infinite.
There was nothing before A , There is nothing outside of A, There is nothing else to compare A to at any given point in space/time. 13.8 billion years ago a square mile was infinitely smaller.
.
"A" is the rate of expansion.

"A" x 13.7 billion = Infinite distance.

I figured out the problem. I've been arguing with a complete idiot.

Never mind.

Work on figuring out the size of those infinitely small square miles.

....why did I bother.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#233429 Jul 24, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
At the time the entire universe a few millimeters in diameter was all there was, and in effect was everything there is now. But when it started, time did not yet exist the way we know it either.
You have strange beliefs.

What time was the universe a few millimeters in diameter?

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#233430 Jul 24, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
"A" is the rate of expansion.
"A" x 13.7 billion = Infinite distance.
I figured out the problem. I've been arguing with a complete idiot.
Never mind.
Work on figuring out the size of those infinitely small square miles.
....why did I bother.
You cant help yourself , the expansion rate is not measurable in terms like you want .
It was called the inflationary epoch, a point I've been trying in some detail to explain , that you are ignoring. After that it is presumed to slow down to more a measurable constant.
But it was recently discovered it is not only increases with distance, but increasing over time.

Since: Sep 08

United States

#233431 Jul 24, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
But this particle , when it became measurable in terms we can understand.
Existed when there was nothing to measure it against in comparison.
At the time the entire universe a few millimeters in diameter was all there was, and in effect was everything there is now. But when it started, time did not yet exist the way we know it either.
Prior to the expansion period, the inflaton field was at a higher-energy state.
Random quantum fluctuations triggered a phase transition whereby the inflaton field released its potential energy as matter and radiation as it settled to its lowest-energy state.
**This action generated a repulsive force that drove the portion of the universe that is
*observable
to us today to expand from approximately 10&#8722;50 metres in radius at 10&#8722;35 seconds to almost 1 metre in radius at 10&#8722;34 seconds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflaton
Inflation field?

What do you mow those with? They do have to occupy a pre-existing dimension. Read volume or space.

Random fluctuations ain't gonna happen without something to fluctuate and something to modify it.

I think you are playing this by ear.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#233432 Jul 24, 2014
Stilgar Fifrawi wrote:
<quoted text>
You have strange beliefs.
What time was the universe a few millimeters in diameter?
Big bang theory 101 dude. Not a belief , it is a hypothesis of the big bang theory.
Get your education in order.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

Approximately 10-^37 seconds into the expansion, a phase transition caused a cosmic inflation, during which the universe grew exponentially.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#233433 Jul 24, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:

Big bang theory 101 dude. Not a belief , it is a hypothesis of the big bang theory.
Get your education in order.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
Approximately 10-^37 seconds into the expansion, a phase transition caused a cosmic inflation, during which the universe grew exponentially.
Haha. "Get your education in order, here's Wikipedia."

C'mon dude. 10-^37 seconds is an infinitesimal amount of time, not even calculable today. How the hell is it supposed to calculated 13.8 billion years in the past?

Also, how much did the universe expand between 10-^37 seconds and 10-^38 seconds? Then from 10-^38 seconds to 10-^39 seconds? We should "know" this, yes?

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