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“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#231476 Jun 30, 2014
KiMare wrote:
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'Two spirit' is a term invented in 1983, the original term was 'berdaches'.
I've read the original accounts.
They were basically transgendered Indians who were most often horrible treated and abused by their tribe.
The sexual birth defects of LGBT are found in all cultures.
Uh...you haven't read the "original accounts" unless you read French. "Berdache" is a French derogatory term for "two-spirit" people, which is a translation into English, more closely resembling the original, non-European term.

No, they were absolutely not transgendered "Indians" who were "horrible treated and abused by their tribe."

You:

- don't make sense
- apparently can't spell
- lie about history
- fail to understand that other cultures don't share your cultural understanding
- fail to realize that "birth defects" have nothing to do with homosexuality and nothing to do with two spirit people

You're also a liar. You haven't read the original accounts at all. Unlike you, I actually have. But prove me wrong - please quote directly from them where they talk about genetic deformities and "tribal abuse."

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#231477 Jun 30, 2014
number four wrote:
<quoted text>This was at a time when existence was very trying , and every able body mattered ...NOW...Homosexuals are regarded as sexual deviants in today's Native American tribes ...
All societies ( world wide ) have regarded the active homosexual as someone deviant ...this has nothing to do with Christianity ...
That the West , is moving in a direction that claims immorality is now acceptable ..
I'm afraid we've hobbled ourselves , oh well ...every Empire must die , I just wish that it wasn't by suicide ...
Ok, first, you're incorrect. Second, you're just making up stuff based on your own homophobic, religious trash belief system.

These are the points you are missing:

- homosexual is a sexual identity in Western culture. It does not exist in other cultures and only spread to them because of European conquest
- other cultures did same sex sexuality differently. As I described, it was not attached to sex or marriage, but gender roles
- if contemporary Native American groups have "homosexuality" in them, that's the result of cultural diffusion and colonization
- 67% of cultures regarded same sex sexual behavior as normal in 1951. If that's changed since then, it's because of globalization of Western cultural norms.

Western cultural norms are not human universals. They are not normal and natural for everyone, just for Westerners. Certainly, because of globalization and power they are being spread around the globe - but if you fail to realize that, and if you fail to realize the historical transformations here, you simply cannot understand, nor speak for, humanity.

You are anachronistic and falsely creating an image of humanity based on your own, poor understanding of culture.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#231478 Jun 30, 2014
number four wrote:
<quoted text>Tribal existence was very difficult , braving the elements the constant wars ..every soul was an assets ...homosexuality had to be tolerated ..
but , talk to a Native ..now...
and they'll tell you " white " culture is immoral and sexually deviant ..
1. don't be dense. "Tribal existence" was not as difficult as you write. Native Americans were, as described by the first Europeans to arrive here, "the most beautiful people on the planet." They were tall, free from disease, well fed and muscular. They had a very healthy way of life.

2. They braved the elements much, much better than European settlers who came later - who had to learn from Natives how to survive here. I mean...really. Inuit. That's the only example I need to provide, that utterly trashes your pathetic attempt at history here.

2. Your very logic is so poor, it's amazing. You first claim that "life was very difficult." And then claim that every soul was precious and "homosexuals were tolerated."

First, there was no such thing as homosexuals. That's a Western cultural sexual identity. It didn't exist in Native Americans. Second, they didn't support non-contributers. So, by your very logic, you're claiming that people who engaged in same sex sexual behavior were strong contributers to the tribes.

3. Native Americans today do not offer a universal condemnation of people who engage in same sex sexual behavior. There's a lot going on here - 1) their culture is not intact. It's been colonized and utterly changed, 2) they have absorbed Western notions of sexuality, 3) when they tell you that white culture is sexually deviant, they're talking about your body language, not who you're screwing. When Americans grasp hands, pat each other on the back, and engage in familial body language, it's way too much for some North American Native cultures - they don't do so. It has nothing to do with sexuality and everything to do with excessive interpersonal contact. Basically, Americans are acting like children to them.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#231480 Jun 30, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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Ahh, It was the lab discipline I was hinting at...
The strawberry was a one off, the local green grocers bought a huge batch and sold them off at £1 per crate of 24 punnets, I bought 2 crates on impulse. That’s a lot of strawberries even after a couple of days of strawberries with ice cream for lunch and dinner and strawberry coolie on crapes for breakfast plus strawberry flan for snacks. So what to do with the other one and half crates that were left over? That light bulb moment produced the most wonderful rose wine that was a pleasure to drink and would lay out even the most hardened drinker.
I made more (much more) of the raisin wine (I sort of specialised), two or three batches a year but mostly gave up drinking. I never drank too much anyway, I hate being drunk and have only ever been truly drunk a couple of times in my life (once for 3 days on bathtub poitin/potchine/potcheen) and always have hangovers after more than a couple of glasses. Now I’ll take a drink perhaps 4 or 5 times a year, celebrations, birthdays, that sort of thing and I really don’t miss it.
In its place I’ll have chilled water with ice (that can take your breath away) or macchiato coffee (that often causes strange looks and you need to teach them how it’s made, even in Starbucks). In Chinese restaurants I’ll order green tea and it is surprising how much such a trivial act effects the waiters, friends for life, best of service.
Ah, I'm sorry to hear that you get headaches from any alcohol. I get them from some, but not all, alcohols - they suck!

Yes, totally, tea. If you're in a Chinese restaurant, perhaps order Ulon-cha (er...that's Japanese, I don't know how to say that in Chinese, but that is Chinese tea).

Ah! Found it in English - different spelling!

https://www.google.com/webhp...

It's nice. If you can use chopsticks, too, they're happy :)

I'm pretty hopeless at Chinese. I can say 'thank you" and "I love you" and that's it...Not super helpful!
JoeWalshington

Winchester, KY

#231481 Jun 30, 2014
Members of the Eagles knew better....

http://youtu.be/T7u7oI4k75g

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#231482 Jun 30, 2014
number four wrote:
boring stuff deleted
Two more random papers describing evil as not a singular "satan" but as something else. Basically, you're silly naive realism cannot be forced upon the world no matter how much you want to.

By far, most non-Western cultures have ideas of evil residing in either the actions of other humans (usually via sorcery or the evil eye) or spirits (as in, many). Your religious belief system codifies evil into one being b/c it's a monotheistic religion - it is not surprising that you also have a monotheistic evil (and that you believe it so strongly, you forcefit other beliefs into your own).

Anthropology of Consciousness
Volume 7. Issue 3. September 1996 (Pages 15 - 29)

The Mythology of Evil Among North American Indian Yuroks and Its Implications for Western Spirituality:
Royal Alsup
Stanley Krippner
The mythology of evil has assumed renewed importance among diverse spiritual groups in the West and among scholars of the anthropology of consciousness. An investigation of Yurok mythology reveals that it is conceptualized asian "imbalance" between individuals (or groups) and parts of themselves, other community members, nature, and/or the Great Spirit. Yurok teaching stories, as well as shamanic practices, provide examples of how these imbalances are brought into equilibrium through worship, ceremonial procedures, and personal behavior. Western spirituality may find ways to better confront individual and social evil by studying Yurok practices, especially their emphasis on the sacred uses of humor, their use of ceremony to face the paradoxes of life, and their application of myth to attain personal and group harmony.

- See more at: http://www.anthrosource.net/Abstract.aspx...

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Anthropology and Humanism
Volume 21. Issue 1. June 1996 (Pages 41 - 54)

Casting out the Foreigners: Interpretation of a Curing Rite in Central Sulawesi, Indonesia:
Jennifer Williams Nourse
When I began fieldwork among the Laujé of Central Sulawesi, Indonesia, one particular man, Sumpitan, became my key informant and friend. Sumpitan explained the Laujé worldview in such a way that correlated the spirit world with the social world. He believed that spirits were metaphoric representations of the good and evil actors in everyday Laujé life. Because Sumpitan's metaphoric view described so eloquently the social, economic, and political turmoil of Laujé life, I adopted his worldview. When Sumpitan died in 1985, however, I found that not all Laujé regarded spirits as metaphors. Many of the people in the community believed it sacrilegious to define spirits in terms of the social world. Their rather mystical, non-meaning-oriented interpretations led me to characterize the Laujé worldview as twofold: one part metaphoric and the other mystical. In the conclusion of this paper, however, I discuss the pitfalls of using key informants' voices to make clear, consistent, and homogeneous statements about worldview. I conclude that people's interpretations of the ritual world are difficult to characterize in terms that are compatible with anthropological writing.

- See more at: http://www.anthrosource.net/Abstract.aspx...
ChristINSANITY is EVIL

Windsor, Canada

#231483 Jun 30, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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That's a neat myth, thanks!
Wait...wait...so you actually believe that the entire world is evil? That's quite troubling, sir or ma'am. You have a very strange religion if you are being honest here.
FYI
Cheater used the name Riverside Redneck before,also Rodny and Gort and probably many more
ChristINSANITY is EVIL

Windsor, Canada

#231484 Jun 30, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
It depended on which group, but usually 3 and some had 4. I use 'men' and 'women' to denote gender and 'male' and 'female' to denote sex.
Generally, men were hunters and warriors. They ranged further from the group than women. Women raised children and prepared food. Each wore a gender appropriate clothing.
If a male wore the woman's dress and took up woman's work, the male became known as a "two-spirit" person or, in this case, a "womanly man." They basically took up the women's gender and had some magical/medicinal roles (like foretelling the future or dealing with spirits or whatever).
In some groups, females could likewise take up the man's role, wearing men's clothing and hunting, being a warrior.
Their marriage system is based on gender, not sex. So a man could marry a woman or a womanly man. A womanly man could not marry a woman or another womanly man. A manly woman (in the warrior role) could marry a woman, but not a man or a womanly man.
So their understanding of sex, gender and sexuality differs from ours quite a bit. These Christians never get that, b/c they "know" they have the "right" system - and everyone else is a "failed" version of them. So they totally ignore the role culture plays in how people behave - especially in why religious people honestly experience their religion as real.
Yet all believers live in a subjective reality that is based on their religion; all religions are both subjectively real - and therefore "true" in a sense - and human constructed.
Here, we are attacking that subjective reality and we are treated to a wonderful display of egotistical, arrogant and, more than anything, desperate defense of it.
:)
Thanks for asking an interesting question!
I've met quite a few natives here and heard about the so called two souls also,,
refers to bisexuals or homosexuals I guess,,,still gender and sex would be the same thing imo.

One is either male or female... or hermafrodite...well that makes three genders right?
JFC

United States

#231485 Jun 30, 2014
Cheetah wrote:
<quoted text>
God did not create a Satan. On the contrary, He created the most powerful, beautiful, and intelligent spirit being ever, who was called Lucifer, which means Light. He was a perfect being.
It is only when he rebelled against God that he became Satan, which means Opponent.
Here is how the Bible describes him " Thou was perfect in thy ways until iniquity was found in thee."
That is when God decided to create Man, another intelligent being, but much less than Lucifer/Satan, and of material, mortal substance, rather than an undecaying spirit being.
This is for Man's own good and according to God's plan, so that those humans who decide to oppose Him and not willing to be under His rule will not have to live forever.
God has a tremendous plan for the universe and those humans who love Him and willing to be under His rule, who will eventually take charge of the earth and later the whole universe. They will replace Lucifer/Satan in this capacity.
Most Christians do not know about this plan, because Satan has "deceived the whole world."
Satan is still ruler of this world, and Jesus himself confirmed this. Which is why there is so much evil, injustice and wars in this world, because it is influenced by Satan.
Jesus himself talked constantly about this plan of God, though few Christians understand it, let alone non-Christians.
"The door is narrow, and the path narrow, and FEW be that find it." In other words very few even know about it.


You are a perfect idjit, a perfect being could not do bad no matter what
ChristINSANITY is EVIL

Windsor, Canada

#231486 Jun 30, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Seems like you are clearly making your own choice...
Smile.
How could I,

IF god made ALL he made my future,so free will doesnt exist,

You're just a preprogrammed ROBOT doing what god designed you to do

LLLL
ChristINSANITY is EVIL

Windsor, Canada

#231487 Jun 30, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Then both he and you should have read the Bible closer.
Smile.
Reading bible is what turns people towards atheism..

www.evilbible.com

Theres still hope for you girl

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#231488 Jun 30, 2014
ChristINSANITY is EVIL wrote:
<quoted text>
FYI
Cheater used the name Riverside Redneck before,also Rodny and Gort and probably many more
Ah, thanks.

Damn. Why did I bother coming back?

Well, I always enjoy your work :)

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#231489 Jun 30, 2014
ChristINSANITY is EVIL wrote:
<quoted text>
I've met quite a few natives here and heard about the so called two souls also,,
refers to bisexuals or homosexuals I guess,,,still gender and sex would be the same thing imo.
One is either male or female... or hermafrodite...well that makes three genders right?
You have to think about it as they did.

We all organize our cultures around genders - how we interact with people, what we do, etc. Women wear clothing men cannot wear, make-up men cannot wear, hair styles men cannot wear, etc. We're breaking down the job differences, that's true.

Anyways, we tie sexuality to gender (and sex). North American natives tied sexuality to gender, but not sex. It makes for a different way of interaction. They wouldn't marry the way we do, etc.

The mistake is to apply our understanding of sexuality onto the past. It simply didn't work that way. Homosexuals didn't exist - they are very much a product of contemporary Western culture.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#231490 Jun 30, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Uh...you haven't read the "original accounts" unless you read French. "Berdache" is a French derogatory term for "two-spirit" people, which is a translation into English, more closely resembling the original, non-European term.
No, they were absolutely not transgendered "Indians" who were "horrible treated and abused by their tribe."
You:
- don't make sense
- apparently can't spell
- lie about history
- fail to understand that other cultures don't share your cultural understanding
- fail to realize that "birth defects" have nothing to do with homosexuality and nothing to do with two spirit people
You're also a liar. You haven't read the original accounts at all. Unlike you, I actually have. But prove me wrong - please quote directly from them where they talk about genetic deformities and "tribal abuse."
This pretty much discounts all your claims. Again.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/berdache

By the way, I read the accounts from a gay site.

Smile.
Lab28

Anaheim, CA

#231491 Jun 30, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Huh?
Ok...
1. if you bring up Hitler, you've already lost the argument. That's the rules of Internet arguing.
2. Hitler and Christ in the same extended paragraph??? Huh?
3. Are you claiming that, by suiciding, Hitler didn't go to Heaven? And that's it - the suicide here that's important?!?
4. Since you brought up Hitler, do you know who Kurt Vonnegut is?
Last, most important question:
5. According to Vonnegut, what are Hitler's words to the world from up in Heaven?(Yes, in Vonnegut's short piece, Hitler is in Heaven, too - do you know why? Oh, no, that was two questions!!!)
1. Someone else asked the age old question : "If Hitler accepted Christ he would go to heaven?"
2. See 1.
3. I am saying it would be inconsistent for anybody to accept the gift of the holy spirit and then immediately destroy the temple for it (their body)
4. No
5. N/A

If I ran around deciding I knew who was in hell based on my knowing who God lets in and who he doesn't, it would really, really make me out to be a liar at the funerals of people I know aren't saved. No more on the salvation of dead people.
Lab28

Anaheim, CA

#231492 Jun 30, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
You're still talking about myths, right?
Because no thinking adult could possibly believe in the story of the flood as described in your mythological book. Only children, or the most naive and uneducated of people - I mean, seriously, that's the very definition of nonsense.
As a story, you can analyze it to get themes, sure. One being that the deity you espouse is nasty. The other being that Ancient Israelites must have really hated all the non-Jews. Third is that, at the time the story was made up, no one had the slightest clue how to explain natural disasters, yet they wanted to, so they ordered them via mythology.
Okay, let's pretend for a second that I am wrong. That I am simply sending up prayers to someone who doesn't exist, and that I have been reading about stories that didn't happen.

Let's say I spend day after day remaining focused on God, praying for His presence in my life, and that I am giving credit to any possible good I can muster to an imaginary entity. Let's say I am giving freely to others because grace was freely given to me but there is no grace because there was no Christ. I am putting the needs of others before my own pointlessly, and I am trying to remain humble and obedient when there isn't anything to be humble for or obedient to.

What will I lose for it? I sure will be disappointed when I die I guess, but my faith has brought me a lot of joy and purpose to my life. I have also seen others turn to Christ and have seen them really change for the better. But if there is no God and no Christ, what do we miss out on? Because we gave up on selfishly sucking every pleasure we possibly could out of life? Because we stopped looking for fulfillment and purpose in things that were destined to fail us?

I guess the joke will sure be on us.

“The Bible is no science book”

Since: Jan 08

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#231493 Jun 30, 2014
number four wrote:
<quoted text>And yet those Nations with a Christian heritage are the freest most just Nations on earth ....go figure ..?
What was just about segregation, beating the hell out of gays? Right now an atheist cannot get voted into office because of Christians calling them evil. Nothing is just about those behaviors.

Any justice for gays and atheists were not granted by Christians, that's for sure.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

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#231494 Jun 30, 2014
sweets2360 wrote:
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Noah was a drunken fuckwit. Your bible says he will never drown the world again. So is he lying?
you're the liar and He never said it wouldn't burn!

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#231495 Jun 30, 2014
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
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I suggest you go and sit on a broomstick.
LOL! why is this ok for you to say to me, but if i said something to you like "can i watch you and river tam share a brumstick" everyone gets all spazzy?!

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

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#231496 Jun 30, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
hahaha! Thanks :)
Just as there were no days of Noah, so there will be no days of fulfilled biblical prophecies.
You can quote me on that, if you like :)
hahaha....no problemos!

oh you'll be quoted alright:

"each person will give an account for their every idle word spoken" - Jesus (my paraphrase)

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