Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#231538 Jun 30, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Hello Rosa! How're you doing???
Gday! It's all good down here.
:-)

I've been studying pretty hard, tearing my hair out lately, should get a number 1. That's all to the good tho, as you would know.
Thinking

Poole, UK

#231539 Jul 1, 2014
Wrong again.

60 years ago, the UK was a more christian country.
Also crime was higher.
There were more teenage pregnancies.
Alan Turing was chemically castrated by homophobes in the name of your values and later committed suicide.

So I understand that morals Evolve.

I'd far rather try to live by better morals than my ancestors.

You want stagnant morals "legitimised" by the myth of a god that drowned every baby not on the ark.

That's why my morals are more worthy than yours.
Lab28 wrote:
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Actually, I would argue that morality is a product of my religion. That wasn't really my point, but yeah, sure, okay let's talk about morality.
On what authority do we even set values? We in the western world see injustice for what it truly is. For instance we look at the rights of women in some middle eastern countries and hopefully you look at that and say, that is not just. But in those countries, it is totally okay. To them that is what is morally right... Even when you know in your heart that it is not. It's a moral relativism that occurs when people adopt their ideas of right and wrong based on the culture around them.
So, what's the point? Yeah we've had morals forever, but what are they based on? Many cultures have established a system of morals that we know is abhorrent. But on what authority can we even establish that. Especially if we are the product of random.
[I actually posted this a few days ago. The last time you said morality predates my religion]
Thinking

Poole, UK

#231540 Jul 1, 2014
Your bible calls non believers "fools" and "damned".
Lab28 wrote:
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Now, now, there is no need to resort to name calling.
Thinking

Poole, UK

#231541 Jul 1, 2014
L'esprit de l'escalier.
Lab28 wrote:
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I'd also like to point out that "religion setting us back 1,000 years" is an assertion that is based on a belief that without religion we would be better off. Which you might be able to point to some evidence for, but hardly can be proven. Ergo, faith.
Which then becomes evidence for the topic of this thread.
Thinking

Poole, UK

#231542 Jul 1, 2014
Also that there is a negative correlation between education and religiosity.
Lab28 wrote:
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That's like forty five minutes long, bro. What are we trying to establish? That we were designed to be altruistic and cooperative? I agree.

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#231543 Jul 1, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Hey Thinking!!! I hope you're well :)
I just started brewing beer! No, really! And mead!
Mead was invented by Norse deities about 600 years ago. Science proves it!
Kidding - mead is like the oldest drink. I'm pretty sure it's more than 30 000 years old. And here I am, Hiding, doing it!
woooooooohoooooooooooo!
I tried mead, when a friend of mine went through a Robin Hood phase. They drank it in the movie, so I went and bought us some.

Tell you something interesting about it. In the old days, newly married couples used to drink mead together, because they believed it was an aphrodisiac. That's the origin of the expression honeymoon.

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#231544 Jul 1, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Hi, welcome!
Yo homegirl! LOL

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#231545 Jul 1, 2014
number four wrote:
<quoted text>..You couldn't have understood my post ....Do you work with the autistic or the alzheimer's
..?...I didn't even understand ' my' own post ...
I'm meant to say , there is no " irish" .."english"..nor any other blood line ..
Whatever you say, Simon.

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#231546 Jul 1, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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You are rubbing with sandpaper - ;-(
Our balmy high summers, midsummer’s day was 4 days ago, the last decent day we had. We had about a week in the almost 20s to low 20s and no rain for two weeks. For the last three days it’s been overcast with a light wind blowing from the artic (brrrrr) and today we have had showers.
Further south it’s worse, heavy rain, flooding and thunder storms (I feel for Thinking) but it is Glastonbury weekend so it’s excepted. The weather does not usually stop the show but it has done, this weekend…
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainme...
http://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/w...
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/7589900...
Good job we are not water soluble
Full on!

It's not so great here though. Our hotter winters are a clear sign of global warming.
:-(

“Be strong ...”

Since: Nov 10

...I whispered to my coffee

#231547 Jul 1, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Ah, I'm sorry to hear that you get headaches from any alcohol. I get them from some, but not all, alcohols - they suck!
Yes, totally, tea. If you're in a Chinese restaurant, perhaps order Ulon-cha (er...that's Japanese, I don't know how to say that in Chinese, but that is Chinese tea).
Ah! Found it in English - different spelling!
https://www.google.com/webhp...
It's nice. If you can use chopsticks, too, they're happy :)
I'm pretty hopeless at Chinese. I can say 'thank you" and "I love you" and that's it...Not super helpful!
I really do like green tea. I know a restaurant where one of the chefs specialties is green tea soup with angel hair vermicelli and shredded duck spring rolls. It is wonderful.

Ahh you just reminded me, yup I’m hopeless at Chinese too – I learned some basics for a series of meetings I had, it turned out everyone spoke English so I never needed it. I am so glad too, because I found out later that the guy I was learning from was a bit of a comic, what I thought was “good to see you” turned out to be “I love you”

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#231548 Jul 1, 2014
KiMare wrote:
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I forgot, you reason like a girl.
A blonde girl specifically.
And you talk out of your ass.
Smile.
Japan is a nation of 127 million, all blondes. You really are a bucket of rocks, Kirschmann.

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#231549 Jul 1, 2014
sweets2360 wrote:
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But they didn't know right from wrong til after they ate the fruit. So it would be like sitting candy on the floor with a couple of kids running around. So whose fault would that be? The parents for sitting it within reach, or the kids who don't know the difference? Parents of course. God set them up for failure which means he is not a god, just a failure himself, or itself, I would never give a god a gender.
Besides, god lied to them. They did not die when they ate the fruit. There were not supposed to live forever anyway, cause they were kicked out of the garden, lest they eat of the tree of life. Remember?
So we are supposed to have a god that tricks A&E and lies to them? That is not even a demigod. It is a cartoon god for heavens sake.
Originally it was simply an ancient morality tale. Then, along came some religions that took the whole thing way too seriously...

“Be strong ...”

Since: Nov 10

...I whispered to my coffee

#231550 Jul 1, 2014
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
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Full on!
It's not so great here though. Our hotter winters are a clear sign of global warming.
:-(
We are having far more serious storms and floods over the last few years than since records began.

Actually this year has not been too bad in that respect (yet) but certainly the weather is far less predictable than it was.

I have relatives in Queensland and they have mentioned some of the storms you guys are getting recently.

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#231551 Jul 1, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Ok, first, you're incorrect. Second, you're just making up stuff based on your own homophobic, religious trash belief system.
These are the points you are missing:
- homosexual is a sexual identity in Western culture. It does not exist in other cultures and only spread to them because of European conquest
- other cultures did same sex sexuality differently. As I described, it was not attached to sex or marriage, but gender roles
- if contemporary Native American groups have "homosexuality" in them, that's the result of cultural diffusion and colonization
- 67% of cultures regarded same sex sexual behavior as normal in 1951. If that's changed since then, it's because of globalization of Western cultural norms.
Western cultural norms are not human universals. They are not normal and natural for everyone, just for Westerners. Certainly, because of globalization and power they are being spread around the globe - but if you fail to realize that, and if you fail to realize the historical transformations here, you simply cannot understand, nor speak for, humanity.
You are anachronistic and falsely creating an image of humanity based on your own, poor understanding of culture.
Interesting stuff. There are many different views on the world to the one held by American fundamentalists.

I know that you Japanese didn't have such a problem with nanshoku. Neither did the ancient Greeks and Romans, before Xianity came to town.

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#231552 Jul 1, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Reading comprehension is far from you, hey. Here, from your own site, above. Exactly what I have been telling you:
" Due to the derogatory implications implicit in the etymology of berdache, contemporary Native Americans have suggested that its scholarly use be discontinued. Among the alternatives in current use, the most widely employed is two-spirit. Other scholars use specific native terms, such as winkte (from Lakota) or nadle (from Navajo), or else use a literal translation, such as "man-woman," of a native word."
It's the multisyllabic word "etymology" that's throwing you off. You mistakenly thought that meant Native Americans were anti-two spirit people. Rather, they're against the word b/c the word itself is insulting - like calling a white person a cracker or a Japanese person "nip," etc.
You should just listen to younger, smarter, wiser and better looking Hiding because, let's face it, you know nothin' John Snow.
:)
LOL! You're sharp as a katana. That one has no chance.

The word berdache originates from the French, then from a Persian word meaning "poof" or slave boy. I wouldn't call anyone but good friends that expression, because it is still insulting, although they often call themselves that. Easy to see why the Native Americans don't like it, 2-spirit is better.

Without being derogatory at all, it would actually be more accurate to call you people Nipponese.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#231553 Jul 1, 2014
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
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Ahhh, homebrew.
Interesting how you're brewing beer and mead. People here are brewing sake.
hahaha, nice! I'm worried about getting headaches - sake is a bit more iffy for me than beer, plus the process is more difficult.

English ale for the win!!!

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#231554 Jul 1, 2014
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
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I tried mead, when a friend of mine went through a Robin Hood phase. They drank it in the movie, so I went and bought us some.
Tell you something interesting about it. In the old days, newly married couples used to drink mead together, because they believed it was an aphrodisiac. That's the origin of the expression honeymoon.
No kidding!

Ugh...it's going to increase my chocolate addiction then!

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#231555 Jul 1, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Reading comprehension is far from you, hey. Here, from your own site, above. Exactly what I have been telling you:
" Due to the derogatory implications implicit in the etymology of berdache, contemporary Native Americans have suggested that its scholarly use be discontinued. Among the alternatives in current use, the most widely employed is two-spirit. Other scholars use specific native terms, such as winkte (from Lakota) or nadle (from Navajo), or else use a literal translation, such as "man-woman," of a native word."
It's the multisyllabic word "etymology" that's throwing you off. You mistakenly thought that meant Native Americans were anti-two spirit people. Rather, they're against the word b/c the word itself is insulting - like calling a white person a cracker or a Japanese person "nip," etc.
You should just listen to younger, smarter, wiser and better looking Hiding because, let's face it, you know nothin' John Snow.
:)
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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"Berdache" is a French derogatory term for "two-spirit" people, which is a translation into English, more closely resembling the original, non-European term.
You are right, I am confused about which word you claim is a translation, because 'two-spirit' is not.

Here is the literal translation; "Other scholars use specific native terms, such as winkte (from Lakota) or nadle (from Navajo), or else use a literal translation, such as "man-woman," of a native word."

Which brings us to your other claim:
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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No, they were absolutely not transgendered "Indians" who were "horrible treated and abused by their tribe."
"a man who adopts the dress and social roles traditionally assigned to women.
[1800–10; < North American French; French bardache boy prostitute."

A man who dresses like a prostitute and is passed around is not an abused transgendered person?

Your PC twirl is making you stupid.

Smile.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#231556 Jul 1, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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I really do like green tea. I know a restaurant where one of the chefs specialties is green tea soup with angel hair vermicelli and shredded duck spring rolls. It is wonderful.
Ahh you just reminded me, yup I’m hopeless at Chinese too – I learned some basics for a series of meetings I had, it turned out everyone spoke English so I never needed it. I am so glad too, because I found out later that the guy I was learning from was a bit of a comic, what I thought was “good to see you” turned out to be “I love you”
ah-hahaha! What a jerkface!

I got my first stalker by telling the Chinese guy I went on one date "wa ai ni" (or "wo ai ni" or whatever)- I love you. He took it quite seriously, despite that I very likely mangled the pronunciation. Thereafter I had stalker boy showing up at my doorstep waaaaaaaay after the last train - worse, we haven't seen each other in 8 wonderful years and I still get "I love you" emails.

That led to Hiding's rule: never tell the person "I love you" in their native language until you mean it!

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#231557 Jul 1, 2014
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
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Interesting stuff. There are many different views on the world to the one held by American fundamentalists.
I know that you Japanese didn't have such a problem with nanshoku. Neither did the ancient Greeks and Romans, before Xianity came to town.
Yeah, Christian culture. Here it was a mixture of the gov't desiring to modernize and adopt capitalism. And lots of parts of Japanese culture meshed - like patriarchy, men working outside the home, etc. The Western mode of capitalism was men work, women take care of the house - not so different than men as heads of households and everyone else under.

The gov't simply decided to formalize that through developing a family register system, patralineage, men working, etc. At the same time, women still largely run the household budgets - right up to now! They tried to implement Western patriarchy, but it ended up mixing with Japanese culture.

So the gov't had active programs to "stop" same sex sexual behavior. For example, everyone knew it went on in all boy or all girl schools - headmasters wrote about such issues. Prior to the gov't forcing change, people just thought of such activities as trivial time wasting - like if you were to stay home from work just to play asteroids all day or something. Anyways, after the change schools adopted policies of "if you have to leave teenagers alone, make sure there is an odd number of them. The odd one out will run to tell the schoolmaster about any sexual activity" hahaha.

And of course, publications of shudo (romantic books on "the way of loving boys" - by and for men) ceased and was culturally tied to the past. Modernizing, Japan had no time for the sexual proclivities of samurai and monks.

There are a few parts of Japan that still see same sex sexual behavior as trivial and normal - like "just a phase." So the history lingers on, despite changes to society.

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