Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#231422 Jun 29, 2014
Thinking wrote:
You'll soon be dead, then.
You're christian Newton was sure the universe didn't have a beginning.
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All Christians at the time of Newton "knew" the universe was stable, and created. Now they all switched their understanding of the universe to pretend it's like our contemporary science, totally neglecting the massive changes in thinking they had to make to do so.
ChristINSANITY is EVIL

Windsor, Canada

#231423 Jun 29, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Gender is not sex. Gender is what culture attaches to sex. Gender is done differently in different cultures. Native American cultures had three and sometimes four genders.
The one your from only has 2. And your culture separates sexuality from gender. Not all cultures are like that.
Dam one learn something new here every day,,
,What were the other genders Native Americans had ?
ChristINSANITY is EVIL

Windsor, Canada

#231424 Jun 29, 2014
KiMare wrote:
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Knowing an outcome and deciding an outcome are two distinct things.
YOU are responsible for the abortion you chose.
Wrong again, KimAirhead

IF god made ALL he made your future and you have NO free willy!
ChristINSANITY is EVIL

Windsor, Canada

#231425 Jun 29, 2014
Lab28 wrote:
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God actually already has. And you are holy and blameless without a single fault through Christ's forgiveness, just by accepting Him as your savior.
Yeah, it probably sounds trite to you, and maybe even a little insulting, but I wouldn't want to miss the opportunity to post that.
If. Hitler accepted Jebus would he be also blameless and forgiven?

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#231426 Jun 29, 2014
Thinking wrote:
No, but religitards like you usually do.
Still, since there are far more miscarriages than abortions your god is still by far the biggest abortionist of all. But you're OK with that.
Which might explain why you commend a bible that says he drowned every baby not on the ark.
Why aren't you thinking?
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'Religitards'? How old are you?

You deny equating eggs with babies, and then turn around and do it again.

I already answered the question about babies.. When a culture reaches the depravity that those did in Noah's time, and the Canaanites in Exodus, God destroys the whole culture.

The Bible makes it clear that sin impacts all those around the guilty, including the innocent.

However, you have no excuse for the murder of babies by abortion.

Hypocrite.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#231427 Jun 29, 2014
Thinking wrote:
Y
You're christian Newton was sure the universe didn't have a beginning.
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Then both he and you should have read the Bible closer.

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#231428 Jun 29, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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That's hardly a description of the Big Bang - it's a mythology to teach to simpletons.
I forgot, you reason like a girl.

A blonde girl specifically.

And you talk out of your ass.

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#231429 Jun 29, 2014
ChristINSANITY is EVIL wrote:
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Wrong again, KimAirhead
IF god made ALL he made your future and you have NO free willy!
Seems like you are clearly making your own choice...

Smile.

“The Bible is no science book”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#231430 Jun 29, 2014
Lab28 wrote:
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So, God created man and declared that everything was as it should be, I don't see man being not as he should be because he has choice, and I hardly see God as being responsible for Adam and Eve for doing something He told them not to do, especially when He warned them they would die if they did.
So, what isn't right, that they had choice or that their choices had consequences?
But they didn't know right from wrong til after they ate the fruit. So it would be like sitting candy on the floor with a couple of kids running around. So whose fault would that be? The parents for sitting it within reach, or the kids who don't know the difference? Parents of course. God set them up for failure which means he is not a god, just a failure himself, or itself, I would never give a god a gender.

Besides, god lied to them. They did not die when they ate the fruit. There were not supposed to live forever anyway, cause they were kicked out of the garden, lest they eat of the tree of life. Remember?

So we are supposed to have a god that tricks A&E and lies to them? That is not even a demigod. It is a cartoon god for heavens sake.
Lab28

Anaheim, CA

#231431 Jun 29, 2014
ChristINSANITY is EVIL wrote:
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If. Hitler accepted Jebus would he be also blameless and forgiven?
It's best to worry about ones own salvation. Deciding who is saved is a little above my pay grade.
Lab28

Anaheim, CA

#231432 Jun 29, 2014
sweets2360 wrote:
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But they didn't know right from wrong til after they ate the fruit. So it would be like sitting candy on the floor with a couple of kids running around. So whose fault would that be? The parents for sitting it within reach, or the kids who don't know the difference? Parents of course. God set them up for failure which means he is not a god, just a failure himself, or itself, I would never give a god a gender.
Besides, god lied to them. They did not die when they ate the fruit. There were not supposed to live forever anyway, cause they were kicked out of the garden, lest they eat of the tree of life. Remember?
So we are supposed to have a god that tricks A&E and lies to them? That is not even a demigod. It is a cartoon god for heavens sake.
Considering they aren't around today, one can only conclude that they died.

As for knowing right and wrong, Eve has an interesting conversation with the serpent that kind of establishes that she knew what she shouldn't do. It's also interesting to note how easily Eve disbelieved God when told something contrary. Adam was there for it, he was as guilty a party as Eve.

How often do we, in our own lives, see forbidden fruit and know its dangers and submit to the temptation of it anyways. What follows is classic as well. The instinct is to first hide, and then to deflect blame. And God, after doling out the consequences covers Adam and Eve in animal hides. And this is how life has been ever since, a sacrifice must be made to cover sin.

“The Bible is no science book”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#231434 Jun 29, 2014
Lab28 wrote:
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Considering they aren't around today, one can only conclude that they died.
As for knowing right and wrong, Eve has an interesting conversation with the serpent that kind of establishes that she knew what she shouldn't do. It's also interesting to note how easily Eve disbelieved God when told something contrary. Adam was there for it, he was as guilty a party as Eve.
How often do we, in our own lives, see forbidden fruit and know its dangers and submit to the temptation of it anyways. What follows is classic as well. The instinct is to first hide, and then to deflect blame. And God, after doling out the consequences covers Adam and Eve in animal hides. And this is how life has been ever since, a sacrifice must be made to cover sin.
Do you in all honesty, think these newly created people had someone following them around like Diane Sawyer, taking down every word god and they spoke? Be for real for once.

You know better in your mind, you just keep saying to yourself, don't think, just believe, don't think, just believe.

I have lied to myself about things, but never to something this childish. There were no scribes hiding in the jungle taking dictation or hiding microphones to catch every word. More is the pity of smart folks with no common sense.
Lab28

Anaheim, CA

#231435 Jun 29, 2014
sweets2360 wrote:
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Do you in all honesty, think these newly created people had someone following them around like Diane Sawyer, taking down every word god and they spoke? Be for real for once.
You know better in your mind, you just keep saying to yourself, don't think, just believe, don't think, just believe.
I have lied to myself about things, but never to something this childish. There were no scribes hiding in the jungle taking dictation or hiding microphones to catch every word. More is the pity of smart folks with no common sense.
I have my reasons for believing how I do. You're right, it wasn't the creation account that brought me to Christ, but it is the consistent philosophy and the way it creates a setting that rings true today that has me believing it.

Faith isn't something you just blindly throw at something in hopes that it pans out. Faith is a credit you give someone if they've earned your trust. I don't believe this to be a proper forum for my testimony, but I will say I didn't trust God until after I realized how present He had been in my life.

But it is somewhat divisive to believe that I spend my time trying to shut my mind off not asking questions. After all, I interpret Jesus commandment to love the Lord your God with all your mind to mean just that. When Thomas doubted, Jesus said "look." He didn't say "take it on faith." But Thomas could have looked and said, "there has to be a logical explanation for this, that's impossible." He could have come up with alternate theories, but he was willing to accept the evidence.

But I won't list my reasons here, it would be too personal. I don't do too good with attacks on my personal faith.
Cheetah

Victoria, Malta

#231436 Jun 29, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Wait...how can you call "satan" an outside force in your mythology? Didn't your mythologies' creator create satan?
Are you now claiming that your mythology's creator is not perfect?
That's cool. If you want to believe that your creator is not perfect, then a lot of logical fallacies get cleared up - like the problem of evil, why there is malaria, etc.
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Uh...so you don't want a rational discussion but one where you accuse people who question your religion of siding with...what I can only assume is the bad deity in your religion?
God did not create a Satan. On the contrary, He created the most powerful, beautiful, and intelligent spirit being ever, who was called Lucifer, which means Light. He was a perfect being.
It is only when he rebelled against God that he became Satan, which means Opponent.

Here is how the Bible describes him " Thou was perfect in thy ways until iniquity was found in thee."
That is when God decided to create Man, another intelligent being, but much less than Lucifer/Satan, and of material, mortal substance, rather than an undecaying spirit being.
This is for Man's own good and according to God's plan, so that those humans who decide to oppose Him and not willing to be under His rule will not have to live forever.
God has a tremendous plan for the universe and those humans who love Him and willing to be under His rule, who will eventually take charge of the earth and later the whole universe. They will replace Lucifer/Satan in this capacity.
Most Christians do not know about this plan, because Satan has "deceived the whole world."
Satan is still ruler of this world, and Jesus himself confirmed this. Which is why there is so much evil, injustice and wars in this world, because it is influenced by Satan.
Jesus himself talked constantly about this plan of God, though few Christians understand it, let alone non-Christians.
"The door is narrow, and the path narrow, and FEW be that find it." In other words very few even know about it.
Lab28

Anaheim, CA

#231437 Jun 29, 2014
sweets2360 wrote:
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But they didn't know right from wrong til after they ate the fruit.
Now this is something that I've never heard taught. I don't know if it is doctrinally sound, but this is my take on what it meant when God saw Adam as how he should be.

I don't think it's because he didn't know right from wrong. I don't think he was some kind of superman. I think Adam was perfect because he was naked and he did not know it. He stood and walked with God fearlessly, and unashamedly. He didn't have worry, guilt, regret, or remorse. He was absolutely pure, with the want or need of nothing in order to be okay, and aside from being able to walk next to God, that was probably the biggest thing he lost in the fall.

And that is probably why God didn't want him to eat from that tree. This is all my own interpretation. I might be wrong with this, but all this talk about creation has made me think.
Thinking

UK

#231438 Jun 29, 2014
"If someone is depraved, kill their kids" - kimare.
KiMare wrote:
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'Religitards'? How old are you?
You deny equating eggs with babies, and then turn around and do it again.
I already answered the question about babies.. When a culture reaches the depravity that those did in Noah's time, and the Canaanites in Exodus, God destroys the whole culture.
The Bible makes it clear that sin impacts all those around the guilty, including the innocent.
However, you have no excuse for the murder of babies by abortion.
Hypocrite.
Cheetah

Victoria, Malta

#231439 Jun 29, 2014
sweets2360 wrote:
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But they didn't know right from wrong til after they ate the fruit. So it would be like sitting candy on the floor with a couple of kids running around. So whose fault would that be? The parents for sitting it within reach, or the kids who don't know the difference? Parents of course. God set them up for failure which means he is not a god, just a failure himself, or itself, I would never give a god a gender.
Besides, god lied to them. They did not die when they ate the fruit. There were not supposed to live forever anyway, cause they were kicked out of the garden, lest they eat of the tree of life. Remember?
So we are supposed to have a god that tricks A&E and lies to them? That is not even a demigod. It is a cartoon god for heavens sake.
In a way you are right, but also like most Christians you lack understanding of God's Plan.
Yes, God did intend for Adam and Eve to fall, otherwise He wouldn't have pitted the most intelligent being He ever created against two innocent beings. Like your good example of putting sweets in front of little innocent children.
If Adam and Eve did not fall, God's plan for the rest of subsequent humanity would not have worked.
God wants to show humans how weak and vulnerable they are, and that their ultimate folly will lead to their, and the world's, destruction, which is not far away.
This in fact is the whole lesson of the Bible, from start to finish.
Man must learn by experience where his ways without God's rule will lead.
Then the second phase of God's plan will start.
Thinking

UK

#231440 Jun 29, 2014
I also read that the Y-chromosome seems to be holding up and degenerating far more slowly now. But the unscientific story, "We're all going to be women" sells more newspapers.
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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There's a lot of misunderstanding in media when it comes to genetics. I have troubles believing the whole "the y-chromosome will disappear" hypothesis. It's a ratchet theory - that, in the absence of duplication, genes that get hit by mutation simply get destroyed. As you say, that leaves out a fair amount of what we know about how genes work.
Thinking

UK

#231441 Jun 29, 2014
The way you talk about women, anyone would think you were a massively old religitard.

Oh. You are.

Slime.
KiMare wrote:
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I forgot, you reason like a girl.
A blonde girl specifically.
And you talk out of your ass.
Smile.

“What?”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#231442 Jun 29, 2014
KiMare wrote:
KiMare wrote:
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You are being funny, right? Surely you're not that ignorant?
Genesis preceded science by thousands of years, describing the Big Bang right off the bat.
It notes that life began from the earth and was initially genderless.
How did a fiction book get core elements of creation so right?
Smile.
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In the 60's I debated an atheist about the universe having a beginning point. He specifically used the mocking term (at that time),'The big bang'.
Genesis 1:1 (GW) In the beginning God created heaven and earth.
Perhaps you need to read the passage closer?
I'd suggest you read Proverbs 8:22-31, another passage about creation.
Good talking to you again...
Smile.
Good talking to you again, too.

;-)

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