Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#230550 Jun 11, 2014
superwilly wrote:
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Would either of you two accept the statement of a prominent german intellectual who was contemporary with hitler regarding the purported "faith" of hitler?
Why would I accept an opinion of what behavior reveals Christians when I have the guidelines?

Bonhoeffer agrees with me.

What NT verses guided Hitler's actions?

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#230551 Jun 11, 2014
Thinking wrote:
I accept that Hitler was the catholic leader of a majority protestant country.
Without blind faith, the gas chambers would have had no operatives.
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Yeah, that's what why Cambodia happened too.

The issue isn't about a denomination, it's about being a Christian.

Your handle should be 'stupid'

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#230552 Jun 11, 2014
Thinking wrote:
You keep trying to play your least worst rapist card but it is not fooling me.
If I was gay and living in christo fascist Uganda I'd feel very scared.
Slime.
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I only 'played' a card because CHRISTine refused to put her money where her mouth is.

Both of you speak out of your asses.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

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#230553 Jun 11, 2014
I find it amazing that Kalimare can type so well with her head up her ass.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#230554 Jun 11, 2014
BenAdam wrote:
I find it amazing that Kalimare can type so well with her head up her ass.
That's the one good thing you can say for the lesbian in me!

Smirk.

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#230555 Jun 11, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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Islam sees jesus as a prophet/messiah, not the christ, not gods son but a slave of allah
Yes that's right. They have a lot of respect for him though, use the title "May peace be upon him" as they do for Mohammed.

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#230556 Jun 11, 2014
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Hah! "When lilacs last in the dooryard bloom'd" - Whitman.
That's the one! I finally got beyond Snowy River.
:-)

Figured we should have some real poetry on here, to contrast with the propaganda claptrap of a certain bigot.

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#230557 Jun 11, 2014
Thinking wrote:
Your telling someone to shut up is the antithesis of freedom.
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The funny thing is that it would make a great member of the Taliban, swinging its whip. Shut up or we flog you.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/apr/02/... #

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#230558 Jun 11, 2014
KiMare wrote:
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Here was the original assertion that you denied;
Rodny wrote:
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The difference between Islam and Christianity is that in an Islamic country freedom of thought and expression, or belief, is not allowed.
Saudi Arabia.
Smile.
Ahh right, so you are not getting the answers you want so you are digging somewhere else, you are so predictable. What happened to the list you refuse to select from? What happened to your denial of another’s faith? What happened to the answerers that you are to chicken sh|t scared to give?

Is that’s what Rodny said? You are making this statement so perhaps it would be beneficial if you provided the post number so that I can verify that you are not talking total BS.

And it was most certainly not his/her/its original assertion but hey, what the hell, let’s roll with it as you claim. If that was the statement he/she/it made then of course I denied it was a valid statement, it’s total garbage based on his/her/its own deliberate ignorance (and yours) of what freedom of thought is and what Islam entails.

So if you want to prove that statement you now will have to provide evidence of this mind reading/mind control machine that he/she/it used to make such an assertion. Because to make such an assertion you need to know the will / mind of all those you are besmirching with your made up lies.

You are of course ignoring the basic premise that just like godbots and christianity (even extremist and selective christianity like yours), muslims want to believe in the muslim faith and all that faith involves, freely. Most are far more willingly devout in their faith than you will ever be or ever understand in yours. Perhaps this is what p|sses you off, that another faith can believe more devoutly in the very same god you claim. Or is it that you think they are stealing your god? I didn’t know you were Hebrew...

And now you mention Saudi Arabia, please provide one, just one instance where any Saudi citizen is claiming that their freedom of thought or belief is being curtailed. As for expression, I can actually provide you with an example, a small percentage of Saudi women are unhappy with the driving laws in their country and are free to publicly protest that discontent. True some were arrested – for breaking the law, exactly as you would expect in your own country when someone broke the law

I have said this repeatedly and it’s only numpty godbots of little intelligence and inversely massive egotestical (correct spelling) hangups who cannot understand it. Freedom under your terms is not freedom but dictatorship.

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#230559 Jun 11, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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Hitler blamed the Jews for the death of Christ, his messiah. Hitler objected to the fact that the Jews rejected Christ as messiah.
You are a bald-faced liar.

This issue was settled with release of the Nuremberg documents - Hitler hated Christianity and planned its eradication from Germany.

Baldur von Schirach, the Nazi leader of the German youth corps, later known as the Hitler Youth:

''The destruction of Christianity was explicitly recognized as a purpose of the National Socialist movement from the beginning, though considerations of expedience made it impossible for the movement to adopt this radical stance officially until it had consolidated power,"

To recap, you are a shameless liar, a bigot, a whore, and everything you ever say should be dismissed by persons of decency.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#230560 Jun 11, 2014
KiMare wrote:
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Why would I accept an opinion of what behavior reveals Christians when I have the guidelines?
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Smile.
Christian behaviour based on christian guidlines... Adam Lanza, James Holmes, Anders Behring Breivik, Radovan Karadzic, Ratko Mladic, the IRA, the NLFT, the KKK and anti abortionists in the US. And of course those good christians and dealers in misery, the eastern European human traffickers.

Guidelines have been shown from the OT and you ignore them as a Hebrew thing and nothing to do with christianity and I ask you why is the OT an integral part of the christian babble?
KiMare wrote:
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What NT verses guided Hitler's actions?
Smile.
Why are you now being selective when the OT verses have already showed you EXACTLY what you originally (ORIGINALLY) asked for.

I see, you ask a question, you get an answer that you don’t like the answer so you move the goalposts in the hope that you will get an answer that you do like.

Hitler was born into a christian family and educated in a christian church, he became leader of a christian country, he blamed the jews for the death of his saviour,“CHRIST” and the Vatican have not, despite all the horrors implemented in his name have never (that’s NEVER) excommunicated him.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#230561 Jun 11, 2014
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
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Yes that's right. They have a lot of respect for him though, use the title "May peace be upon him" as they do for Mohammed.
They do, they have respect for all their prophets - often shortened to (PBUH)

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#230562 Jun 11, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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You are a bald-faced liar.
This issue was settled with release of the Nuremberg documents - Hitler hated Christianity and planned its eradication from Germany.
Baldur von Schirach, the Nazi leader of the German youth corps, later known as the Hitler Youth:
''The destruction of Christianity was explicitly recognized as a purpose of the National Socialist movement from the beginning, though considerations of expedience made it impossible for the movement to adopt this radical stance officially until it had consolidated power,"
To recap, you are a shameless liar, a bigot, a whore, and everything you ever say should be dismissed by persons of decency.
Have they let you out again? Did you escape from the prison shower bum boys with your usual verbal abuse and violence? Or was it a deal with a warder... did you let him ream your butt on conditions you got a shorter sentence?

Honey I have been through all this with you several times, and several times I have provided detail based on fact, contemporary news report, meeting minutes both public and private, hitlers own writing and own words etc... etc... etc... That’s contemporary and first hand stuff, not third hand, selective contextless garbage compiled after the fact by agenda driven necessity to appease weak minded godbot sensibilities.

I have no wish to bang my head against the brick wall of your deliberate and selective ignorance and bigoted foul mouthed lying abuse so may I respectfully ask – If you have nothing new to add then butt crack off

Honey you would not know a person of decency if they sat on your face and farted and I am shore many good men have.

P.S. you know what happens when you verbally abuse me... But like a good christian nob head, you never learn

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#230563 Jun 11, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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Have they let you out again? Did you escape from the prison shower bum boys with your usual verbal abuse and violence? Or was it a deal with a warder... did you let him ream your butt on conditions you got a shorter sentence?
Honey I have been through all this with you several times, and several times I have provided detail based on fact, contemporary news report, meeting minutes both public and private, hitlers own writing and own words etc... etc... etc... That’s contemporary and first hand stuff, not third hand, selective contextless garbage compiled after the fact by agenda driven necessity to appease weak minded godbot sensibilities.
I have no wish to bang my head against the brick wall of your deliberate and selective ignorance and bigoted foul mouthed lying abuse so may I respectfully ask – If you have nothing new to add then butt crack off
Honey you would not know a person of decency if they sat on your face and farted and I am shore many good men have.
P.S. you know what happens when you verbally abuse me... But like a good christian nob head, you never learn
Just as I thought - you have nothing.

You rely on Nazi propaganda, Hitler's childhood baptism, using them as deception to claim Hitler's mass murders are a result of Christian sentiment.

Again, you are a dirty liar in this. You lie frequently, and for bigoted reasons.

Those are the proven facts, and your lame ad hominem against me is adolescent.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

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#230564 Jun 11, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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Just as I thought - you have nothing.
You rely on Nazi propaganda, Hitler's childhood baptism, using them as deception to claim Hitler's mass murders are a result of Christian sentiment.
Again, you are a dirty liar in this. You lie frequently, and for bigoted reasons.
Those are the proven facts, and your lame ad hominem against me is adolescent.
Nothing but fact, nothing but fact and this is where you fall flat on your face

Hitler killed Jews because he blamed them for the death of his saviour, Christ. That is not the act of a non christian. And despite responsibility for murdering millions of people can you tell me the Vatican have rescinded his membership to their club? No you can’t.

Those are Nuremberg extracts are third party, often hearsay and would not be accepted as evidence in a court of law – or perhaps you can advise where in those documents where Hitler spoke in his own defence

Honey, you are welcome to you own carefully selected beliefs, but they are beliefs, not fact.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

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#230565 Jun 11, 2014
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
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That's the one! I finally got beyond Snowy River.
:-)
Figured we should have some real poetry on here, to contrast with the propaganda claptrap of a certain bigot.
I used to do that, often, on WINLAC.

“too hard to handle”

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#230566 Jun 11, 2014
KiMare wrote:
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Why would I accept an opinion of what behavior reveals Christians when I have the guidelines?
Bonhoeffer agrees with me.
What NT verses guided Hitler's actions?
Smile.
I agree. Bonnhoeffer called hitler an idolator
publicly on german national radio in 1933. Dr Bonnhoeffer's speech on the idolatry of hitler (which he called the mockery of god in the speech) carries far more weight than the opinions of some of those on this discussion board. The eminent theologian and university of Berlin PhD did not rally to Hitler's defense but publicly dressed him down. That is fact.
Thinking

Gillingham, UK

#230567 Jun 11, 2014
Puck Frick, the majority protestant Germany followed catholic Hitler willingly.
Buck Crick wrote:
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Just as I thought - you have nothing.
You rely on Nazi propaganda, Hitler's childhood baptism, using them as deception to claim Hitler's mass murders are a result of Christian sentiment.
Again, you are a dirty liar in this. You lie frequently, and for bigoted reasons.
Those are the proven facts, and your lame ad hominem against me is adolescent.

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#230568 Jun 11, 2014
Faith: strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.

If we go by this definition, then no. Atheists are incapable of having faith in the first place because they are Atheists. Atheism and this definition of faith cannot co-exist. Atheism is the exact opposite of this definition of faith.

Faith: complete trust or confidence in someone or something.

This is the more popular definition. Still, Atheists are incapable. I don't think an Atheist ever has complete trust or confidence in someone or something. It isn't logical.

Basically, Atheists are incapable of faith. Atheists don't have any faith. IF you were to rephrase the question to 'Atheism requires as much BALLS as Religion?' then Yes. It takes balls to denounce God(s). I think it takes more COURAGE to be an Atheist than a Religious person. However, it does not take more FAITH to be an Atheist because Atheists have no faith.

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#230569 Jun 11, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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Nothing but fact, nothing but fact and this is where you fall flat on your face
Hitler killed Jews because he blamed them for the death of his saviour, Christ. That is not the act of a non christian. And despite responsibility for murdering millions of people can you tell me the Vatican have rescinded his membership to their club? No you can’t.
Those are Nuremberg extracts are third party, often hearsay and would not be accepted as evidence in a court of law – or perhaps you can advise where in those documents where Hitler spoke in his own defence
Honey, you are welcome to you own carefully selected beliefs, but they are beliefs, not fact.
Your defense of Hitler is touching.

Stupid, but touching.

The Nuremberg documents are intelligence gathered by official U.S investigators.

In contrast, your depiction of Hitler's motivations are from the turds rattling around in your otherwise empty head, coupled with your willingness to lie.

Let the audience decide which is more credible.

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