Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#225502 Apr 18, 2014
Divinity Surgeon wrote:
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America is a predominantly christian nation where most politicians are also christians. Yes, it is a cesspool.
Norway is not a christian nation and it is advanced and clean.
There's a few more countries that are not christian nations and are also better than countries made up of mostly christians.
Those non christian countries are excellent examples of human potential and the sooner christianity passes into the annals of history, the better.
Nominal religion in Norway is mostly Evangelical Lutheran with 77% of the population belonging to the state Evangelical Lutheran Church of Norway.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_No...

What?

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#225503 Apr 18, 2014
Divinity Surgeon wrote:
<quoted text>
They most certainly are.
Atheists will speak out.
Homosexuals, bisexuals and transsexuals will speak out.
Children will speak out with much encouragement and support.
Witches will speak out.
Natives will speak out.
All over the world.
The christians who don't like it, will just have to "deal with it".
Christians will speak out.

The atheists who don't like it, will just have to deal with it.

God bless you.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#225504 Apr 18, 2014
Aquarius-WY wrote:
<quoted text>
"there's nothing to control their actions or curb their every whim."
Oh, well then I guess all those written laws, lawyers, judges, and our prisons are figments of our collective imagination.
Got it.
<rolls eyes>
The laws of men don't stop men, do they?

When a person thinks that he has no eternal judgment coming, what's to stop them from doing what he wants? According to you atheists, we humans have a mere few decades of existence and nothing else.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#225505 Apr 18, 2014
Aquarius-WY wrote:
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"We" are talking about concepts and ideas Redneck.
You are the one who tried to make a point recently about what constitutes a "life" if I recall correctly, and tried to define it in a very narrow way. You do it again here simply because you must control all definitions and change them at will so that you think you make sense.
If you have NO "life" after your earthly death, then you have no life sir. ANY "life" after an Earthly death is in fact a life son.
BTW, you may wish to visit a definition of "reincarnation" kid, and then show me how being alive in a "New Heaven and/or a New Earth" setting, falls outside the definition.
You are incorrect in your claim of no unconditional love too. If I feel like it later I may explain it to you.
No.

An "afterlife" and "the next life" are completely different concepts.

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

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#225506 Apr 18, 2014
waaasssuuup wrote:
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LOL! being "ashamed" doesn't do anyone any good, unless it leads to repentence and then to consequent acceptance into the beloved family of God; which is my desire and goal for everyone:-)
I find it a little confusing and unsettling that your desire and goal is much different than God's. Show me where in any of the Biblical writings that God's desire is for everyone to be in " the beloved family of God."

He clearly says multiple times that his purpose for sending Jesus was not to unite everyone, but in fact to divide the sheep from the goats.
Correct?

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#225507 Apr 18, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not talking about wealth or prosperity, I'm talking about family life. Specifically, American family life and how it's changed as religiosity in America slowly declines. In my opinion, the family structure in America has declined right along with it.
Teen pregnancies are up, sexually-transmitted diseases spread like wildfire, divorce rates are up, unmarried couples living together are up, unmarried couples having children are up, the number of single mothers is up, violent crime is up, the amount of abortions being done is up, drug abuse has become nearly uncontrollable.
Do you know what's gone down? SAT scores.
Go figure.
Dagnabit, it's that Satan guy's fault.

You know, the red horny feller with the pitchfork.

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#225508 Apr 18, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Nominal religion in Norway is mostly Evangelical Lutheran with 77% of the population belonging to the state Evangelical Lutheran Church of Norway.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_No...
What?
Oh, yeaH?

Well, go to Norway (or Sweden, or Denmark) and talk to people.

You'll see how religious they are.

Not.

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#225509 Apr 18, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
The laws of men don't stop men, do they?
When a person thinks that he has no eternal judgment coming, what's to stop them from doing what he wants? According to you atheists, we humans have a mere few decades of existence and nothing else.
That must be the reason Christians never do bad things, eh Redneck?

“Aaaaaaaaaaaaah”

Since: Aug 07

Piscataway

#225510 Apr 18, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
No.
An "afterlife" and "the next life" are completely different concepts.
Riverneck says, "I think, therefor I am." And then completely disappears.

“Aaaaaaaaaaaaah”

Since: Aug 07

Piscataway

#225511 Apr 18, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not talking about wealth or prosperity, I'm talking about family life. Specifically, American family life and how it's changed as religiosity in America slowly declines. In my opinion, the family structure in America has declined right along with it.
Teen pregnancies are up, sexually-transmitted diseases spread like wildfire, divorce rates are up, unmarried couples living together are up, unmarried couples having children are up, the number of single mothers is up, violent crime is up, the amount of abortions being done is up, drug abuse has become nearly uncontrollable.
Do you know what's gone down? SAT scores.
Go figure.
All those things you decry are actually worse in the Bible Belt. Teen pregnancies are highest, per capita, in the a Bible Belt. STDs are higher, per capita, in the Bible Belt. Divorce is highest among Evangelical Christians and lowest among Jews, Catholics, and atheists. Cohabitation, what is wrong with that? I agree that marriage is a more stable platform for raising children, but it has to be a stable marriage or it is a worse place. Many Christians resist information dissemination on birth control and safe sex. Such information ameliorates these problems.

Violent crime is actually down, except in places that have passed stand your ground laws. Florida had a wonderful drop in violent crime going until 2005 when stand your ground sent gun murders alarmingly through the roof.

What was your SAT score? Your kids? SAT scores are down because the god botherers are ruining education, especially in the South.

Let's look at two countries that have abandoned Christianity, the Netherlands and Norway. All those metrics you cited are not problems in those two countries. They enjoy freedoms and happiness that we don't. They have higher standards of living and don't have to worry about eating cat food when they get older. They take care of each other and don't worry about what a pie in the sky is doing.

Since the Bible Belt has some of the worst societal metrics in the nation and since those countries that have abandoned your fantasies have some of the best, your "argument" is the most ridiculous, easily-refuted dreck I have encountered today.

How can a universal god be removed from things?

“Aaaaaaaaaaaaah”

Since: Aug 07

Piscataway

#225512 Apr 18, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Haeckel's embryo drawings are forgeries.
Doesn't it upset you that they are still printed in biology books and taught to our children today?
No, because they are included as an example of something that is incorrect. I would have no problem with you being included in textbooks for the same reason.

Someone already explained this to you and you continue to throw out this debunked apologetic. Are you clinically insane, extremely stupid, or inherently dishonest?

D. All of the above

“Aaaaaaaaaaaaah”

Since: Aug 07

Piscataway

#225513 Apr 18, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Nominal religion in Norway is mostly Evangelical Lutheran with 77% of the population belonging to the state Evangelical Lutheran Church of Norway.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_No...
What?
Wait, you once told someone you don't reference Wikipedia.

D. All of the above.

Norway had a state religion until recently. Of course people are still going to be members of the religion. It was the law. What matters is not a Wikipedia entry but the practice of the people. Isn't it you, after all, that claimed Hitler was not a Christian, despite all his Christian rhetoric, because he didn't act like a Christian. Most Norwegians have abandoned religion and fake gods all together.

You need to go see the world. Your tunnel vision is alarming.

“Aaaaaaaaaaaaah”

Since: Aug 07

Piscataway

#225514 Apr 18, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Christians will speak out.
The atheists who don't like it, will just have to deal with it.
God bless you.
Oh you poor, persecuted little man.

“Aaaaaaaaaaaaah”

Since: Aug 07

Piscataway

#225515 Apr 18, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
The laws of men don't stop men, do they?
When a person thinks that he has no eternal judgment coming, what's to stop them from doing what he wants? According to you atheists, we humans have a mere few decades of existence and nothing else.
The "laws" of your fake gods aren't stopping anything either. Are there any posts of yours that are a reflection of reality or are they all based on such a sick and depressing world view?

“Aaaaaaaaaaaaah”

Since: Aug 07

Piscataway

#225516 Apr 18, 2014
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, yeaH?
Well, go to Norway (or Sweden, or Denmark) and talk to people.
You'll see how religious they are.
Not.
Exactly. But, but, Wikipedia!

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#225517 Apr 18, 2014
Aquarius-WY wrote:
<quoted text>
I find it a little confusing and unsettling that your desire and goal is much different than God's. Show me where in any of the Biblical writings that God's desire is for everyone to be in " the beloved family of God."
He clearly says multiple times that his purpose for sending Jesus was not to unite everyone, but in fact to divide the sheep from the goats.
Correct?
http://biblehub.com/2_peter/3-9.htm
Clearwater

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#225518 Apr 18, 2014
Aquarius-WY wrote:
<quoted text>
The Declaration of Independence provides the underlying rationale for UNALIENABLE rights.
Those rights were said to be obvious to anyone, that the origin of those rights come from simply being born, or showing up here on Earth as a human from the Great Mystery.
The term "Great Mystery" is just that, as no human (to my knowledge) knows the true origin of man.
The founders, and more specifically the writers of the DOI, used words such as "created" and the phrase "endowed by their Creator" simply because that was a prevalent view of the Great Mystery at the time. They all did not agree on ONE definition of "God" so the word "Creator" (in my opinion) was used to allow for the differences in view of where man came from.
THE POINT:
Whether one holds that mankind came from "God" or that mankind arose from the primordial soup, the point of the origin of our unalienable rights remains constant. We get them from the laws of Nature Herself, which say that every entity has the innate and natural born right to defend their own life, the lives of their loved ones, and such things as the area or place needed, and the tools used to sustain their life and the lives of loved ones.
The founders did not form a nation because they thought man came from God either. They formed a nation to stabilize and strengthen their mutual positions as opponents of King George and all that his dictatorial monarchy stood for. As individuals they stood to be individually hanged. As fellow countrymen, they stood united, as individuals with common goals and needs.
Its too bad many in this nation aren't like that in 2014. Some are but IMO most aren't. Case in point, watch the news the next time an event happens. Many honestly pray for political reasons the person falls on one side. I've observed that the way the news covers it will often tell it. Anyone know the name of the individual that was charged with attempted assignation of President Obama? No doubt if he was on the right everyone would know it.

“Aaaaaaaaaaaaah”

Since: Aug 07

Piscataway

#225519 Apr 18, 2014
lightbeamrider wrote:
Which is in direct contradiction to Matthew 25:31-46. Hmmm, Bible verses that contradict each other. How odd. Not!

It's a Chinese food menu. I'll take one from column A and two from Column B but I don't like anything from column C. It doesn't jibe with the morality that I acquired through living in a secular world with human rights and not in a fantasy world with "god rights".

Your light beam is very dim. Use caution. Perhaps you need to get a broom instead.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#225520 Apr 18, 2014
No Shiite wrote:
Which is in direct contradiction to Matthew 25:31-46. Hmmm, Bible verses that contradict each other. How odd. Not!
Could be the problem is not with the Bible there Shite.
Anon

Lakewood, OH

#225521 Apr 18, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not talking about wealth or prosperity, I'm talking about family life. Specifically, American family life and how it's changed as religiosity in America slowly declines. In my opinion, the family structure in America has declined right along with it.
Teen pregnancies are up, sexually-transmitted diseases spread like wildfire, divorce rates are up, unmarried couples living together are up, unmarried couples having children are up, the number of single mothers is up, violent crime is up, the amount of abortions being done is up, drug abuse has become nearly uncontrollable.
Do you know what's gone down? SAT scores.
Go figure.
Last week you boasted Christianity is increasing, now you're stating its in a state of decline.
Go figure.

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