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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#222806 Apr 3, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Shuffling cards in a public school classroom is disruptive, more disruptive than a prayer, there's no constitutional law against shuffling cards is there?

Violating school disruption policies is vastly different of violating US constitutional law.

Stupid atheist.
You're getting angry in your old age.

I asked if she was praying out loud.

If she was, it was disruptive. And yes. So would shuffling cards be.

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Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#222807 Apr 3, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Shuffling cards in a public school classroom is disruptive, more disruptive than a prayer, there's no constitutional law against shuffling cards is there?

Violating school disruption policies is vastly different of violating US constitutional law.

Stupid atheist.
Tell me.

Do you think Christian students would be tolerant of a student saying satanist prayers out loud in class?

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Since: Jan 11

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#222808 Apr 3, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Aerobatty wrote:
Science is true whether you believe it or not.

Really?
Getting senile, too.

“"None shall pass"”

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#222809 Apr 3, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
ID is the pursuit of valid science. It rises or falls on the science.....
And it fails miserably.

"A child playing with an erector set is not considered to be a mechanical engineer."

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#222810 Apr 3, 2014
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
Neil DeGrasse Tyson said that.
I borrowed it.
It's deceptive, no matter who said it.

"Science" is a field of study. It is neither true, or not true.

People who do science, that's a different subject.

Some say things that are not true. Whether Mr. Tyson believes it or not.

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#222811 Apr 3, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Most acts of pedophelia are homosexual acts.....
We understand that you don't believe that having sex with little girls is pedophilia.

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#222812 Apr 3, 2014
BenAdam wrote:
<quoted text>
And it fails miserably.
"A child playing with an erector set is not considered to be a mechanical engineer."
You'll understand if I don't take your word for it.

...you being a moron.

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#222813 Apr 3, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
You'll understand if I don't take your word for it.
...you being a moron.
Yes. I understand you are willfully ignorant.

Enjoy your magic show.

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#222814 Apr 3, 2014
"I don't know how it works so it must be the 'Work of God'." - Chistards

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#222815 Apr 3, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no constitutional prohibition of teachers leading prayers.
If you can show it to me, or any basis for it, I will mail you a cashiers check for $10,000.00.
Article III, Section 2 gives the Supreme Court judicial power in all cases in law and equity arising under the Constitution between citizens and their states. Acting in that capacity, the Court ruled in 1962 and 1963 that prayers sponsored by public schools violate the establishment clause if the first amendment. Teachers who lead such prayers during school hours and on school grounds has also been ruled to violate the establishment clause.

What teachers do on their own time is another matter, and only public schools are so proscribed. Private and church-run schools are also free to require their students to participate in religious programs and exercises. Students in public schools are also free to organize religious activities during the school day as long as they don't conflict with their scheduled activities or interfere with or disrupt classes or other school activities. they can even evangelize as long as they make no attempt to compel other students to participate or even pay attention. But unless and until the Court overturns its current ruling, the establishment clause forbids public school teachers to lead prayers on school grounds during school days.

As private citizens, we are free to disagree with the Court, but our personal opinions don't matter in the larger sense--the Court is the final arbiter and interpreter of the Constitution. As such, it means what the Court rules that it means.

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#222816 Apr 3, 2014
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
Tell me.
Do you think Christian students would be tolerant of a student saying satanist prayers out loud in class?
Preference for christianity over satinism is perfectly allowable under the Constitution.

In fact, preference for christianity over any religion is acceptable.

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Knoxville, TN

#222817 Apr 3, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
It makes no difference.
Nobody has any constitutional right to not hear a prayer.
Quite right. Even the ACLU, if consulted, would support her position, not that of the school.

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Sunbury, OH

#222818 Apr 3, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
The earth is not getting warmer. Even the global warming alarmists concede that.
Over the last 15 years, global temperatures have fallen.
Absolutely everything you wrote there^ is WRONG...basically an out-right lie. Research the Global temp for the past 20 years,. then get back to me :)

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#222819 Apr 3, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>Preference for christianity over satinism is perfectly allowable under the Constitution.

In fact, preference for christianity over any religion is acceptable.
No it's not.

“"None shall pass"”

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There

#222820 Apr 3, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Preference for christianity over satinism is perfectly allowable under the Constitution.
In fact, preference for christianity over any religion is acceptable.
WTF ?

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#222821 Apr 3, 2014
NightSerf wrote:
<quoted text>
Article III, Section 2 gives the Supreme Court judicial power in all cases in law and equity arising under the Constitution between citizens and their states. Acting in that capacity, the Court ruled in 1962 and 1963 that prayers sponsored by public schools violate the establishment clause if the first amendment. Teachers who lead such prayers during school hours and on school grounds has also been ruled to violate the establishment clause.
What teachers do on their own time is another matter, and only public schools are so proscribed. Private and church-run schools are also free to require their students to participate in religious programs and exercises. Students in public schools are also free to organize religious activities during the school day as long as they don't conflict with their scheduled activities or interfere with or disrupt classes or other school activities. they can even evangelize as long as they make no attempt to compel other students to participate or even pay attention. But unless and until the Court overturns its current ruling, the establishment clause forbids public school teachers to lead prayers on school grounds during school days.
As private citizens, we are free to disagree with the Court, but our personal opinions don't matter in the larger sense--the Court is the final arbiter and interpreter of the Constitution. As such, it means what the Court rules that it means.
I asked for the CONSTITUTIONAL basis.

You gave me what some guys said in 1962. For the 170 years or so previous to that, the Court said there was no such prohibition.

They were both talking about the same Establishment Clause, and the prior courts had over a hundred years of precedent in their favor. The 1962 court had none.

The Establishment Clause restricts one group of people, and one only. See if you can guess what group it is:

"Congress shall make no law..."

And the clause is specific about what kind of law Congress is prohibited from making - one that establishes a national religion.

You want me to believe a teacher leading a prayer in a local school violates an injunction against the United States Congress from establishing a national religion?

And no, the Constitution does not mean what the court says it means. The Constitution means what the words written in it mean, coupled with the original intent of the authors.

Your scenario - the Constitution meaning what the court says - means we have no Constitution.

Why are you against having a Constitution? Why are you against self-government?

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There

#222822 Apr 3, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
I asked for the CONSTITUTIONAL basis.
You gave me what some guys said in 1962. For the 170 years or so previous to that, the Court said there was no such prohibition....
So we should allow slavery too ?

You are nuttier than a squirrel turd.

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#222823 Apr 3, 2014
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
No it's not.
So the Federal Post Office is closed on the Jewish sabbath in your town?

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#222824 Apr 3, 2014
BenAdam wrote:
<quoted text>
So we should allow slavery too ?
You are nuttier than a squirrel turd.
The Constitution was amended to eliminate slavery.

It was not amended to eliminate school prayer.

Are you trying to prove my point?

The "people" amend the Constitution. Judges are not allowed to. Theoretically.

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#222825 Apr 3, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
So the Federal Post Office is closed on the Jewish sabbath in your town?
Our schools are closed for the worship of the God Saturn and Sol Invictus.

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