Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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IPSEC

Oglesby, TX

#221590 Mar 26, 2014
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>Just as its a lot more likely they are right in more general terms.
A vast, vast majority of people from all walks of life since the dawn of time have believed in some type of creator god. To this day some of the most intelligent minds on the planet, some who are even scientists, believe this to be true.
So it is far more likely the problem is not the concept but rather the ownership.
But here is where I think science hinders itself. It desperately looks to avoid labeling anything as 'supernatural', even if it has absolutely nothing to do with gods or religions or faith. And why? Because to allow the supernatural exists in any firm weakens the search to disprove it in other areas
There should be no agenda from either side other than discovering the truth. But if either side has their mind made up that "whatever the answer is it isn't that...even though it could be" then how effective really is their search for answers?
Just as the church had an agenda against science to keep followers and the money flowing into the coffers when the answer to everything was "God", there are many in science whose goal is to discover something that disproves any supernatural explanation. It isn't objective.
There is no reason for man to be drawing lines in the sand. We should be seeking out as many answers together. Who cares what each individual thinks the answer may be when nobody knows? If truth is really the goal, we should be working together. But often times politics and social reasons and even personal selfish reasons take precedence. How many people are TRULY searching for the truth wherever it may lead? I bet not many
An argument from popularity is a logical fallacy, especially in regards to dogmatic teachings forced upon innocents.
IPSEC

Oglesby, TX

#221591 Mar 26, 2014
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>I don't mean as far as day to day living so much as the person as a whole. If I have to spend my afterlife with an unrepentant child rapist that paid no price for his crimes then I'm not gonna be too thrilled about the afterlife. I think right and wrong are concepts that should transcend this existence and justice says there should be a cost that comes with doing harm to others. I don't know what that price should be but there should be something.
What afterlife?

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#221592 Mar 26, 2014
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
I think that in the case of dogs, it's their super-keen sense of smell. Functional exams of dog's brains show that their brains seem to devote as much grey matter to smell, as humans' brains devote to vision.
To me, that says a dog's world is a rich and varied as our human visual one.
In short, I think a dog's ability to sense things we find inexplicable, is simply a finely attuned sense of smell.
It's a guess-- but it's based on sound evidence and logic.
:)I
im sure that could be part of it

I personally believe as humans we have so much ability we haven't tapped into. Mainly because we are so distracted by the world around us that we never learned how to really become in tune with our senses. It have been socialized to ignite them even if on a subconscious level. I mean if animals can sense danger then humans should be able to. But we walk around like idiots with our noses in our phones or whatever and because we don't live on a primal level we don't even recognize things our body is telling us

Imagine if we used our entire brain in unison or understood more about our subconscious what we can learn? I read once that anybody you ever see in a dream is someone you have seen in real life and your subconscious remembers. That's pretty messed up when basically the part of our brain that is turned off is the smarter part! LOL
IPSEC

Oglesby, TX

#221593 Mar 26, 2014
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>
It seems highly unlikely to me that if this universe has a creator (or creators) that it/they would be in any way concerned with humans specifically, much less care about what humans do or who they sleep with.
“Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the western spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small unregarded yellow sun. Orbiting this at a distance of roughly ninety-two million miles is an utterly insignificant little blue green planet whose ape-descended life forms are so amazingly primitive that they still think digital watches are a pretty neat idea.”
&#8213; Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
Anon

Lakewood, OH

#221594 Mar 26, 2014
IPSEC wrote:
<quoted text>Funny, but your beloved Wikipedia begs to differ.
"A boot is a type of footwear and a specific type of shoe."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boot
Right in the first line, too. You'll either have to acquiesce, Riverdance, or disavow Wikipedia as a source. My money is on your organ grinder monkey dance.
Now you did it!
You're going to be embroiled in a shoe/boot argument with RR for the next three days...

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#221595 Mar 26, 2014
IPSEC wrote:
<quoted text>What afterlife?
You realize you don't have to believe in it to understand the concept right?

There is always someone that comes along to dumb down a conversation.

I guess today that person was you

:)

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#221596 Mar 26, 2014
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>
If there was evidence for creator gods, then science would know about it. If a religion made a claim that was supported by objective evidence, then science could study and verify it. That is how we learn the truth. Not by faith. The fact that religion has to sometimes acknowledge what is true, such as the RCC embracing evolution, demonstrated the effectiveness of science, not religion, which never discovers anything.
You are now changing "truth" to "proof"

You first said faith could never lead to truth. Of course it could. And I had already said if it was proven it would be through science

Well, if proven by man anyway
IPSEC

Oglesby, TX

#221597 Mar 26, 2014
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe if we had all the information we would consider it both
There could be other life forms, different planes if existence, senses we are only beginning to understand like intuition or a "sixth sense" that opens us up to perceptions we might not otherwise be aware of.
We don't even question things like dogs being able to sense fear or animals knowing when danger is around despite no signs or getting bad 'vibes' off people.
There may be so much stuff we don't know. We might be just babies in terms of life forms and knowledge. Maybe even the existence of God someday may be taken for granted as common fact because of what we learn. Maybe we will learn a lot if through science instead of science disproving it?
The rationale explanation may simply be we don't know a lot about what goes on around us and one day the supernatural will just be one more thing we learned about it?
It's possible
Despite the knowledge that your fifth grade diploma imparted on you, there are many more than five senses.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/questio...

The "sixth sense" is nonsense.

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#221598 Mar 26, 2014
IPSEC wrote:
<quoted text>Religions are forced to change with the times or they become extinct.
You can't have it both ways

You can't claim religion ignites science and then when it specifically uses science to better help its understanding then turn around and claim it had to be self-serving

I'm sure plenty of people would continue to take instruction from the church no matter what science claimed about things like carbon dating and fossils. The church should be commended for rethinking how they looked at Genesis when shown science was showing sine good evidence that the early was much older than they thought.

The church started in a very young scientific age. It is willing to consider new info when interpreting

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#221599 Mar 26, 2014
IPSEC wrote:
<quoted text>Despite the knowledge that your fifth grade diploma imparted on you, there are many more than five senses.
http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/questio...
The "sixth sense" is nonsense.
LOK

Such an insecure dork you are

Go back to the kiddie table

Since: Mar 09

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#221600 Mar 26, 2014
IPSEC wrote:
<quoted text>An argument from popularity is a logical fallacy, especially in regards to dogmatic teachings forced upon innocents.
I never made such a claim

I spoke to what would be more likely to be true, the general over the specific

It's cute how you try to regurgitate arguments made from those before you but try to wait for the proper context at least

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#221601 Mar 26, 2014
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>
Well according to you I'd have no way to tell.
Be sure to draft a memo to psychologists and psychiatrists around the world and let them know they are wasting their time, OK?
Yes ma'am.

Do you have their address?

“Ditat Deus”

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#221602 Mar 26, 2014
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Shawshank is one of my all-time favorites. But I find I cannot watch it too often-- it's too intense.
One of the things I like about it, is that many who watch it, are confused as to who gets redemption in the story.
Of course, I like the lighter fare of Star Wars too-- even though it's basically about who is born into privilege, and who is just expendable cannon fodder. In Star Wars, there doesn't seem to be much in the way of self-made ideas. It *does* express the idea, however, that regardless of how one is born, one always has a choice in who the are.
Not unlike the movie Hell Boy-- another of my favorites. Which leads directly to Harry Potter-- again, it's a message of born into greatness, but also a message of you get to choose how you respond to how you were born.
I agree, Shawshank is one of my favorite movies, too. Get busy livin, or get busy dyin.

Another one is Gladiator, I loved the heroism and the music in that movie.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#221603 Mar 26, 2014
IPSEC wrote:


Funny, but your beloved Wikipedia begs to differ.

"A boot is a type of footwear and a specific type of shoe."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boot

Right in the first line, too. You'll either have to acquiesce, Riverdance, or disavow Wikipedia as a source. My money is on your organ grinder monkey dance.
Lol. Wiki... Did you just add that "definition" in?

boot:

A sturdy item of footwear covering the foot, the ankle, and sometimes the leg below the knee

A covering or sheath to protect a mechanical connection, as on a gearshift.

(also Denver boot) US A clamp placed by the police on the wheel of an illegally parked vehicle to make it immobile.

A covering to protect the lower part of a horse’s leg.

historical An instrument of torture encasing and crushing the foot.

(also boot up) The process of starting a computer and putting it into a state of readiness for operation:
a boot disk

Military - informal A navy or marine recruit.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definiti...

Ya, a boot isn't a shoe.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#221604 Mar 26, 2014
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>
That is pure circular reasoning. All results are proof of the hypothesis. Then all hypothesis are true.
You keep referring to emotions as if they are an intangible thing that can't be measured or studied. It's as if you've never heard that an entire field of study called psychology exists.
"Sometimes Santa says no."

ROFLMAO

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#221605 Mar 26, 2014
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>
Another possibility is that the person in your example always had a latent same-sex attraction that might have been suppressed/denied or just not acted upon.
It is easily argued that everyone has homosexual tendencies.
Just like everyone has homicidal tendencies.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#221606 Mar 26, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Gaia? Like from Final Fantasy?!
You really are 12 years old.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#221607 Mar 26, 2014
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>So who, by you, is the Designer?
Come on. You lot are very careful not to apply a name - but we all know who you-know-who is supposed to be.
It ain't Brahma.
Buck is a Christian or a Poe.

Either way, He makes the case against deities very well.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#221608 Mar 26, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
If you're not gonna actually respond, please don't bother.
He did reply.

You are a liar.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#221609 Mar 26, 2014
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Oh...
You were being serious...
Actually, Wassuup hit on one of the 'messages' embodied in the myth.
Sadly, he can't build on it. That is what happens when you take an allegory literally.

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