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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#220752 Mar 21, 2014
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
You didn't offend me. But you did reveal that you can't have a discussion without dropping to a lower level.
"Does the bulk of Christianity consider Jesus Creator?"
- you are asking the wrong question. I understand that you don't want to be honest, but to get to the 'truth'- if it actually exists, then you need to begin with:
"Where does Jesus call himself the Creator?" You know....something like - "I am the Creator."....or even, "I am God."
- claiming "John" said Jesus said, is a bit of a stretch, don't you think, considering "John" is not a proven being - as to whom wrote the text. He is an unknown. Thus, his words are considered as a second-hand source and not 100% accurate.
Another point you should be addressing is - "Where does 'God' specifically state which texts are of 'His' inspiration and which are not?" And then go from there to, "Where does 'God' specifically state which bishops at the Council of Nicea have the authority to decide which are of "God's inspiration" and which are not?" Especially when "God" inspires EVERYONE - which is a fundamental belief in your religion.
Do you limit "God's" inspiration?
No other person in this world and reality, can be inspired by "God" to write another "gospel"?
I still disagree.
- who is anyone to state that one is not inspired by this "God"? Who is anyone who thinks they know the mind of this "God", to claim they know whom is inspired and who isn't.
There you go.....questions for you to answer, in order for me to get clarification of what you actually believe.
Or do you just - uhm....follow along with everyone else?
Cheers!
Sorry, just skimmed your post the first time. You did, tangentially, mention the additional gospels.

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#220753 Mar 21, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Christianity doesn't fit the definition of a cult.
Dumb ass.
The signs or hallmarks that accompany a cult apply directly to Christianity.

Quoting:
*Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.

*No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.

*No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement.

*Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.

*There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil.

*Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances.

*There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader.

*Followers feel they can never be "good enough".

*The group/leader is always right.

*The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.
http://www.culteducation.com/warningsigns.htm...

Just because it has became socially acceptable, or is not perceived as a cult due to societal involvement, does not remove the cultish implications.

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#220754 Mar 21, 2014
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
.. you want to show me your stuff ??..
<< Don't type that thought HL, censor your Stream of Consciousness >>
.. sure, I'd like to see your stuff ..
:-)))

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#220755 Mar 21, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
Read you own posts but you want to blame me because you excuse molesting children in the name of the church than fine, whatever turns you on. Don’t expect any sympathy form me though.
He does at that.

And then launches his childish attack on me, just because I posted a link about a church protecting a convicted pedophile, now murderer. It's all doing the Lord's work for funny-mentalists.

Water off a duck's back for me.

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#220756 Mar 21, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
It gets more ass than I do, if you know what I mean...
RiversideRedneck wrote:
When I have sex, there's always a man there.
Strange.
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#220757 Mar 21, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
A natural reaction to the christian stupidity of stereotyping
KiMare tells us all blondes are dumb and I respond with all christians have small penis’s
But I see you have not commented on KiMare BS, I wonder why?
That's one of the "arguments" you'll get from that thing. Good comeback!

It just shows how little they really have.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#220758 Mar 21, 2014
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
The signs or hallmarks that accompany a cult apply directly to Christianity.
Quoting:
*Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.
*No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.
*No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement.
*Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.
*There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil.
*Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances.
*There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader.
*Followers feel they can never be "good enough".
*The group/leader is always right.
*The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.
http://www.culteducation.com/warningsigns.htm...
Just because it has became socially acceptable, or is not perceived as a cult due to societal involvement, does not remove the cultish implications.
A cult is a system of religious reverence and love directed towards a particular human being or object, instead of God.

Since Christians worship God alone, it does not meet the definition of a cult.

Besides, cults have cult leaders.

Who's the cult leader of Christianity?

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#220759 Mar 21, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no such thing as blonde jokes.
They are all true stories.
Why are most blonde jokes one-liners?

So that men can understand them.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#220760 Mar 21, 2014
scaritual wrote:
Ah. Mix-n-match posts like you mix-n-match Scripture, do ya?

Lemme ask you this: When you have sex, is a man present?

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#220761 Mar 21, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Apparently scientists see it differently.
Oh, and rational atheist scientists do too. The first to assert the Big Bang now isn't so sure about God.
Interesting that countless cultures believe in the supernatural, but not one single culture has accepted ss couples as married for any length of time.
Smile.
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>
Another one bites the dust.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/21/justice/michiga...
Big smile.
Honey, are you really trying to discredit a scientific proof of God with a ss marriage oxymoron??? REALLY???

Snicker smile.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#220762 Mar 21, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
<quoted text>
You might also consider that there are a great many gospels besides the four that were approved by the Council of Nicaea.
Oh yeah - there was a slight nod that way - in my questions - if one were to understand the questions.

Be weary though - as some of those gospels were written well after the supposed death of Jesus.

One could also speculate that they were written, knowing that Jesus never died on the cross at all.

With most crucifixions - the body is left on the cross until truly dead. Three hours is not enough to kill someone on the cross. It is possible to have extreme wounds and still live.

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#220763 Mar 21, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Has everybody heard that the Westboro Baptist Church patriarch Fred Phelps has graced us by leaving the planet? Will the VFW bring a contingent to his funeral to defecate on his grave during the ceremony carrying sings saying "God hates you"?
Ahh the only good thing he ever did.

The last I heard is that the family won't be having a funeral. Too many f**-enablers might turn up to celebrate.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#220764 Mar 21, 2014
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
You didn't offend me. But you did reveal that you can't have a discussion without dropping to a lower level.
"Does the bulk of Christianity consider Jesus Creator?"
- you are asking the wrong question. I understand that you don't want to be honest, but to get to the 'truth'- if it actually exists, then you need to begin with:
"Where does Jesus call himself the Creator?" You know....something like - "I am the Creator."....or even, "I am God."
- claiming "John" said Jesus said, is a bit of a stretch, don't you think, considering "John" is not a proven being - as to whom wrote the text. He is an unknown. Thus, his words are considered as a second-hand source and not 100% accurate.
Another point you should be addressing is - "Where does 'God' specifically state which texts are of 'His' inspiration and which are not?" And then go from there to, "Where does 'God' specifically state which bishops at the Council of Nicea have the authority to decide which are of "God's inspiration" and which are not?" Especially when "God" inspires EVERYONE - which is a fundamental belief in your religion.
Do you limit "God's" inspiration?
No other person in this world and reality, can be inspired by "God" to write another "gospel"?
I still disagree.
- who is anyone to state that one is not inspired by this "God"? Who is anyone who thinks they know the mind of this "God", to claim they know whom is inspired and who isn't.
There you go.....questions for you to answer, in order for me to get clarification of what you actually believe.
Or do you just - uhm....follow along with everyone else?
Cheers!
Honey, you need an airplane to get to my level.

I asked the right questions. I don't argue faith with faithless people. You clearly don't believe, so the 'right' question is the only one that can be proved, using the sources that are available.

So once again, does the bulk of Christianity consider Jesus Creator?

Why?

One more:

Why would a 'rational atheist' oxymoron want to argue faith when asked a factual question???

Snicker.

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#220765 Mar 21, 2014
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>
I just read that myself. I am hoping (praying?) that there is a huge protest at his funeral.
Pity it's too far for me to travel. I hope the celebrations resemble a pride parade.
:-)

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#220766 Mar 21, 2014
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
With most crucifixions - the body is left on the cross until truly dead. Three hours is not enough to kill someone on the cross. It is possible to have extreme wounds and still live.
Um, honey, He wasn't just crucified...

Don't leave your welfare income to become a Bible teacher, just leave your welfare income.

Snicker.

Since: Sep 10

Redondo Beach, CA

#220767 Mar 21, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
A cult is a system of religious reverence and love directed towards a particular human being or object, instead of God.
Since Christians worship God alone, it does not meet the definition of a cult.
Besides, cults have cult leaders.
Who's the cult leader of Christianity?
Who's the cult leader of Christianity?

Now that your pal Phelps is dead, who knows?

Pat Robertson? That Lively fellow? Phoney Baloney Mahony?

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#220768 Mar 21, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
A cult is a system of religious reverence and love directed towards a particular human being or object, instead of God.
Since Christians worship God alone, it does not meet the definition of a cult.
Besides, cults have cult leaders.
Who's the cult leader of Christianity?
The cult leader? Why, the Jesus!, of course.

There is no evidence of the Jesus! being a "god".

At best, he was just a human. That's all any of the alleged evidence shows.

Christianity began as a cult, waiting for the charismatic "leader" to return after a preemptive death. When the leader didn't come through in the "prophesy", given in Matthew 24, confirmation bias http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bia... and cognitive dissonance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_disson... kicked in, and in walked theTrue Believer™ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True-believer_sy... .

The cult still persists.

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#220769 Mar 21, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah. Mix-n-match posts like you mix-n-match Scripture, do ya?
All "scripture" is mixed and matched.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Lemme ask you this: When you have sex, is a man present?
Always, since it's me and a woman, and I don't find that strange.

RiversideRedneck wrote: When I have sex, there's always a man there.
Strange.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#220770 Mar 21, 2014
Phantom2010 wrote:
<quoted text>That's because there is no point to life without God. Knowledge and information is important. But until mankind finds a way to eliminate death, then all the theories in the world about how this universe and mankind came into existence is just mindless blather.

Death comes to everyone. Underline that. Death is the issue. And that is the reason why it does not matter how much knowledge there is, Religion will always be a top subject. Because religion is the only subject that deals with death and God. Science deals with life on earth and knowing. Science cannot compete with death. And that is why Science cannot compete with God. because most people believe after death, then God.
As
Seriously?!

Science can't deal with death?

Our life spans have tripled from just a few hundred years ago. Science is closing in on immortality as we speak.

REAL immortality.

The kind we can enjoy in the here and now. Not some empty promise that is impossible to verify and is, for all intents and purposes, an empty promise that causes people to waste the precious few years they have chasing a foolish dream.

And what makes you think that, even if there IS an afterlife, that your way is the only way to achieve it?
There are hundreds, if not thousands, of different ideologies that include an afterlife, and every one of them is just as sure that THEIR way into the afterlife is the right way-at least for them.

You're nothing special and neither is your religion, whatever the hell it is.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#220771 Mar 21, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>So what? I have those same quotes.

A person can claim to have faith, or even believe that they have a strong faith in God, that doesn't mean they have a free pass to heaven.

If a person has faith in God but their actions show otherwise, that directly reflects their faith.

Let's put it in a nonreligious perspective that you might better understand. Say a person claims to be a patriotic American, but the only patriotism they show is when they barbecue hotdogs on the Fourth of July. Would you agree that there claim is true?
That's about the only patriotism I show.

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