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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#219033 Mar 14, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
If this is coffee, please bring me some tea; but if this is tea, please bring me some coffee.
-Abraham Lincoln
"People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they like." - Abraham Lincoln

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#219034 Mar 14, 2014
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>The U.S. spends way too much on defense. I have read anywhere between more than the next 10 countries combined, out of which all but 1 is an ally. In addition to the waste and corruption. While less than 1% of tips about Internet child porn don't even have the manpower to be checked. I agree that the things that take priority with much of our spending makes no sense to me
And I don't sat 1.8% to minimize it. Just to put it in perspective for those that feel (sometimes in part due to the media coverage) that there is a disproportionate amount of abuse in the church compared to anywhere else. And yeah the breach of trust makes it worse if that's possible for a crime that bad
As for the media, sure report it. But my point is that is should all be newsworthy. A kid abuses by a priest is no more victimized than one abused by some unknown teacher. And I know realistically all crimes can't get coverage or equal coverage but it should be based on ability and resources. We should be trying as a society to expose as much as this as possible. The church gets so much attention in the same way Paris Hiton or celebrity gossip does. Because people's priorities and concerns are messed up as well. We only seem to care if it can be labeled a scandal because that makes for juicier 'news' rather than news being based on what's more important that society knows
Here in the UK and France recently it was teachers when one ran off from the UK to France with a pupil. That media circus would outstrip a royal wedding. Before that we had celebrities of various levels of celebrity. Nope the church is not getting disproportionate attention, it is getting the attention it deserves.

Sorry you think that, my priority is for children not for protecting priests by shovelling their abuse under the carpet. If global infinity means that people know that some priests have paedophile tendencies and that knowledge helps protect children then for me the media is welcome to emblazon it in 100 mile high lights on the moon

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Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#219035 Mar 14, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
No need for sarcasm, Scar Tissue.
I'm just trying to resolve this conflict among you atheists...
You can't resolve it and there is no conflict. I nor any other atheist defines what an atheist is, short of not having the theistic belief there are deities, in the absence of any non biased evidences there are.
Buck Crick wrote:
Oh, excuse me. Everyone is an atheist now, according to Wilde Rice.
Maybe they are, to him, maybe not.
Buck Crick wrote:
Anyways, Wilderice says atheism is just skepticism. Others claim it is lack of belief.
In one scenario, a rock or a turd is an atheist. In the other, no.
What about you? Is a turd an atheist? Have you met atheist turds?
If atheists have a King Turd, I'm nominating Sam Harris.
Yep, there you go, polishing that turd. I'll go ahead and say you're the turd of topix, with Ar aR a close second, or maybe you're pushing him, or he's pushing you. I'm not sure, nor do I care, except to say you both smell about the same.

I'm guessin' you're bigger though, from what you say.

Be gentle on Ar aR, he's from Riverside.

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Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#219036 Mar 14, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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Which atheist? The "skeptic" or the "lack of belief" atheist?
Because you atheists have rejiggered the definition of "atheist" so many times, the term presently has no meaning whatsoever. It means the same as a fart noise.
Pffffffffttttttt...= atheism.
So when you say "atheist", it is too vague, and you will have to specify. Do you mean the skeptic atheist, the belief-lacking atheist, or are you just making a fart noise, or are you referring to the actual meaning of the term, which is, someone who believes no god exists?
You know, that's kinda' the reason we give meanings to terms - so each of us will know what is being said when the term is used.
To that end, I supply you with this:
Atheism, from the Greek a-theos ("no-god"), is the philosophical position that God doesn't exist. It is distinguished from agnosticism, the argument that it is impossible to know whether God exists or not (Academic American Encyclopedia).
Atheism, system of thought developed around the denial of God's existence. Atheism, so defined, first appeared during the Enlightenment, the age of reason (Random House Encyclopedia).
Atheism is the doctrine that there is no God.(Oxford Companion to Philosophy).
Atheism (Greek, a-[private prefix]+ theos, god) is the view that there is no divine being, no God (Dictionary of Philosophy, Thomas Mautner, Editor).
Atheism is the belief that God doesn't exist (The World Book Encyclopedia).
Atheism, commonly speaking, is the denial of God. Theism (from the Greek theos, God) is belief in or conceptualization of God, atheism is the rejection of such belief or conceptualization.In the ancient world atheism was rarely a clearly formulated position (Encyclopedia Americana).
Atheism, the critique and denial of metaphysical beliefs in God or spiritual beings. Atheism is to be distinguished from agnosticism, which leaves open whether there is a god or not, professing to find the question unanswerable, for the atheist, the non-existence of god is a certainty (The New Encyclopedia Britannia).
According to the most usual definition, an atheist is a person who maintains that there is no god…(rejects eccentric definitions of the word)(The Encyclopedia of Philosophy).
Atheism is the doctrine that God does not exist, that belief in the existence of God is a false belief. The word God here refers to a divine being regarded as the independent creator of the world, a being superlatively powerful, wise and good (Encyclopedia of Religion).
Atheism (Greek and Roman): Atheism is a dogmatic creed, consisting in the denial of every kind of supernatural power. Atheism has not often been seriously maintained at any period of civilized thought (Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics-Vol II).
Atheism denies the existence of deity (Funk and Wagnall's New Encyclopedia-Vol I).
I know, I know, I know, you sure do like other people telling you what to believe or told you to read so you'll know what you believe.

I don't have the theistic belief there are deities, because there is no unbiased evidence that is convincing to all theists and nontheists alike that there are deities.

I don't let theists or nontheists define my position in the matter concerning deities. I don't care who they are.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#219037 Mar 14, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Which bible?
No, it isn't.
If contradictory features are described, it could be the description that is in error.
If someone describes you to another, and gets features wrong, you would still exist.
But the description would be wrong, and due to the absence of a correct description, the deity described isn't possible.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#219038 Mar 14, 2014
Catcher1 wrote:
The Redneck does serve a purpose. He shows the importance of having an educated populace.
Agreed.

He, along with so many other faith based thinkers like him, and contrasted with so many unlike him from a competing tradition - humanism - also illustrates the tendency toward moral and intellectual failure more typical of the alumni of faith based educational programs.

Virtually all unbelievers posting here are bright and decent people. The difference between the two groups has to be in large part the fault of religious teaching, which puts a brake on optimal development in these areas. It costs the direct victims the most, and the rest of us as well to a lesser extent. Seeing this should help all unbelievers see that it's not enough just to say that religion might be fine for the next guy, but not for him- or herself. Those with a social conscience might want to see this phenomenon mitigated.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#219039 Mar 14, 2014
IPSEC wrote:
<quoted text>Why do you conveniently ignore what happened after he instilled himself as pharoah?
Once Stalin was firmly seated in office, he revived the Russian Orthodox Church in order to intensify patriotic support for the war effort. Stalin was part of a council convened to elected a new church Patriarch. Then the Russian theological schools were opened, and thousands of churches began to function. Even the Moscow Theological Academy Seminary was re-opened, after being closed since 1918.
So, while Stalin was no peach, he was not an atheist. He was more a secular minded religious opportunist, which is a personal character trait. He did not use atheism to gain control, but religious principles that were modified to fit his own, sick and twisted method of revolution. That is one of the evils of god belief and how the rubes can be so easily deceived.
A lie by omission is still a lie you knuckle-dragging cretin.
Nicely stated.

The problem here is that buck has a problem with self delusion and incredulity with an awful lot of predantism mixed in. He makes statements based on his personal belief that believers in his god can do no wrong, so when one does go against the buck image of perfection he simply excludes them from his faith.

He does often seem to forget that he is no angel himself and has spent time locked up for criminal activity. So according to the buck laws of religious belief he, in theory at least, should be unable to believe in himself.

A quandary that goes far beyond his comprehension which leaves him with just one option. Lie and make up BS so he can big himself up.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#219040 Mar 14, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
So the Pope is an atheist.(He rejects the FSM)
You and Christine are the only people I've ever seen make that claim.
I have never made that claim, I provided evidence that proved you were talking out you’re a$$ so you have made it up out of BS just to make your self feel proud of being a lying T\/\/AT.

Since: Feb 14

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#219041 Mar 14, 2014
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
<quoted text>
Whenever I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally.
- Abraham Lincoln
It is Tried and True Under the Guise of Religion..

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#219042 Mar 14, 2014
Aerobatty wrote:
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The Big Bang is also a name that was coined pretty much by the press. Cosmologists hated the term.
Yes… much more comfortable (and accurate) with inflation

Been a while, how’s it hanging?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#219043 Mar 14, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Being raised as a Christian is meaningless if you don't act like a Christian when you grow up.
How can a Christian not act like a Christian? The way that they act defines what acting like a Christian means.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Jus as being raised an atheist means nothing if you join a religion when you grow up.
Wrong. Being raised a humanist will serve you better if you later turn to religion than had you been raised under religious values..
RiversideRedneck wrote:
The fact that Stalin had religious parents and was raised in a Catholic home is obviously meaningless, as he fought to have all churches under his pier destroyed or shut down and all religions under his power quelled.
I doubt that his upbringing wasn't a factor. You make a lot of unfounded assumptions.

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Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#219044 Mar 14, 2014
KiMare wrote:
IPSEC wrote:
<quoted text>Yep. Watch the mourning at the demise of Kim Jong Il. Dear Leader was as much a deity as Immanuel, Jesus, or Lucifer.
<quoted text>
Dumb and Dumber...
Exactly how is he 'as much a deity' as Jesus?
Smile.
Because he was.

Because his people worshipped him as such.

Honey, you don’t have dibs on who is to be deity or not.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#219045 Mar 14, 2014
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>One suspects (but cannot prove) a form of pareidolia on the part of some observers...
Good word. I think I learned it from you.

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#219046 Mar 14, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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Here in the UK and France recently it was teachers when one ran off from the UK to France with a pupil. That media circus would outstrip a royal wedding. Before that we had celebrities of various levels of celebrity. Nope the church is not getting disproportionate attention, it is getting the attention it deserves.
Sorry you think that, my priority is for children not for protecting priests by shovelling their abuse under the carpet. If global infinity means that people know that some priests have paedophile tendencies and that knowledge helps protect children then for me the media is welcome to emblazon it in 100 mile high lights on the moon
Im not sure why you are having such a hard time following what I am saying

Didn't I say several times I agree any abuse in the church should be reported and that what I take exception with is lots of other abuse goes without getting media attention at all and I want to see it all reported. Or at least as much as possible. Because victims of abuse in other places suffer just like victims of abuse in the church yet the media doesn't seem too interested in reporting it unless its a "juicy" news story. The news has become too centered around scandal and often ignites many other things that for the public good should ALSO get some coverage

And what I said the problem with the coverage being disproportionate is not only people think it happens much more in the church than anywhere else which isn't true but in addition because people think that they aren't looking in other areas as much as they should to be trying to stop all abuse as much as possible

I don't know why there is always a disconnect. It feels as if you try very hard for there to be one because this is not the first time I have had to explain something repeatedly when we are pretty much in agreement as you insist on trying to make it a "sides" thing even when you are the only one in the exchange doing it. I have explained it as much as I am going to now. Whatever you grasp of dont grasp after this is simply being deliberately obtuse.

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#219047 Mar 14, 2014
Ignores not ignites

Since: Mar 09

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#219048 Mar 14, 2014
Edit Christine

Btw, if the UK was so much better than the U.S, at directing its resources towards stopping abuse and your media was so much better at covering it then there would be 200 paparazzi there to snap pictures in case someone in the Royal Family farts

Scandal and interest in famous people's trivial activities trumps more important things in societies all over the world. Including yours

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#219049 Mar 14, 2014
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
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Really?
That I am not a member of any Christian Church, is true; but I have never denied the truth of the Scriptures; and I have never spoken with intentional disrepect of religion in general, or of any denomination of Christians in particular.
- Abraham Lincoln
Abraham was a johnny come lately opponent of slavery...

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#219050 Mar 14, 2014
KiMare wrote:
Here's a point; How can you maintain integrity without addressing the vast difference between the functional design of heterosexual intercourse and the abusive violation of anal sex? Smirk.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Here's a better point: Why would I care? I'll leave the panty sniffing to you and your god.
Where did I refer to a god?

Once again the 'rational atheist' oxymoron runs from, get this, medical science!

Smirk.

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#219051 Mar 14, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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Because his people worshipped him as such.
Really?

'Rational atheism' oxymoron...

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#219052 Mar 14, 2014
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>The Yahweh! or the Jesus!, because those are two distinct deity concepts.
Which one is your "god"?
You've answered your own question already, in your usual childish and mocking way.

"a Christian mentions "god" it means the Yahweh!/Jesus!/holy spirit! "trio", "

Stop asking.

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