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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#219304 Mar 14, 2014
kombolis originally wrote:
"But I have always found the predictable pattern of many that have left the faith to be interesting to say the least
Many ex-Christians did not leave the faith until well into adulthood. Some were born-again. Some preached. Some knew the Bible well as a believer. Almost all claim to have been true believers
Yet when they leave the faith..
1) They first go thru a period of doubt
2) Then go from believer to unbeliever
3) Then go from just unbeliever but someone who claims to know the faith is wrong
4) Then becomes someone who mocks people for believing things they claim on their face are so obviously untrue despite the fact that they were intelligent adults who knew their Bible and believed"
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>What are you talking about?
Your post.
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>First of all, how does my perception of self have anything to do with people once believing something strongly well into adulthood and then once leaving mocking others that still believe because somehow after they left with the attitude its obviously wrong and only an idiot couldn't see that despite the fact they didn't see it for most their life in some cases?
You implied a theory. I added my opinion. Everything you say or do is related to the Self. What makes you think your thoughts were not?

<<<continued> >>

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#219305 Mar 14, 2014
<<<contiued to Skombolis>>>
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>2) I wasn't talking about about everyone that leaves the faith
Are you going to clarify your statement then? Which individuals? How many?
You did say 'many" - without any numbers attached.
"Many ex-Christians did not leave the faith until well into adulthood.Z"
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>3) And since I was talking about people that didn't leave until well into adulthood, how did you manage to make this about you since you left at age 14? Nor was it about people testing out different faiths
I was showing you that your perception is skewed.
Many people don't wait until adulthood to leave religion. Many do before they are adults like me. That was my point.
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>And "so-called Christians are false individuals"? LOL whatever. I'm sure you are convinced the religion you made up for yourself is correct.
I didn't make up any religion. Where did you get that from? If I did create a religion, what is it called?
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>I really could care less. If you were as comfortable in your choices as you would have people believe then it makes no sense that most your focus is on the faith you left.
Incorrect. I have no faith in religion. But I do carry a faith in statements made in antiquity that can are beneficial to people today. Different ways to look at it. Different perceptions. You seem ot stick with the negative reasons, I'll stick with the positives.
I'm positive that many so-called "Christians" are "false" in the belief. Shoot most of them only believe in a portion of Jesus, but yet claim to believe in him fully. Are you going to tell me that this is a false statement. If so, you will then have to add where "God" specifically states which texts are of 'His" inspiration and which are not, in order to prove that the texts you accept are the only "holy ones".
So yes - many so-called "Christians" are living false lives. Not only not beig honest with theirselves, but with others as well.
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>And you would at least explain the methodology you use when deciding what parts of the Bible you follow and what parts you don't.
Why should I. It is very simple. I believe in what Jesus taught. ALL OF IT. In and out of the Bible. You and many others refuse to accept this truth, because it goes against a fundamental teaching by men - "only use the Bible".
Besides, I couldn't explain centuries of knowledge in one forum. It would be quite an impossible feat to do.
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>Is it anything more than you don't like what some verses say because they conflict with the religion you have created for yourself?
Once again, I haven't created any religion. You will need to grasp this fact first, before you keep projecting your own beliefs upon me.
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>I have seen you refuse to address this with many posters. Why if you are so sure?
You have? Please post my refusal.
I don't refuse much of anything, as I am very open and honest. Unlike many I've seen play on your team.
What would you like to know?

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#219306 Mar 14, 2014
This:

KiMare wrote:
IPSEC wrote:
<quoted text>Yep. Watch the mourning at the demise of Kim Jong Il. Dear Leader was as much a deity as Immanuel, Jesus, or Lucifer.
<quoted text>
Dumb and Dumber...
Exactly how is he 'as much a deity' as Jesus?
Smile.

versus this:

KiMare wrote:
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
That's interesting.
How is it that a book you claim okays slavery is the only source prompting people to fight slavery?
<quoted text>
No, the question was for you, but when asked for a rational response, you defer to lazy scoffing.
The recent discourse about Stalin is an example of those who twist the Bible for their own interests.
So again, how do you explain the presence of Christians at the forefront of anti-slavery actions?
IPSEC wrote:
This:
<quoted text>
versus this:
<quoted text>Another Christian hypocrite, only 50 cents.
Gonna need more than 50cents, you don't make any sense.

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#219307 Mar 14, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
That's interesting.
How is it that a book you claim okays slavery is the only source prompting people to fight slavery?
<quoted text>
No, the question was for you, but when asked for a rational response, you defer to lazy scoffing.
The recent discourse about Stalin is an example of those who twist the Bible for their own interests.
So again, how do you explain the presence of Christians at the forefront of anti-slavery actions?
IPSEC wrote:
<quoted text>So, have you really never heard of the Southern Baptist Convention or are you just a lying fool?
So, I point out an example of someone perverting the Bible, and you give another example.

Glad you agree.

Smile.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#219308 Mar 14, 2014
Skombolis wrote:
I don't know how you got literally every point I made wrong. Maybe you were just in such a hurry to try to convince someone of your superior way. My guess is that someone is you
No I didn't - I just gave you a new perception that is visible with many people.

You just seemed to bypass it, for your own.

Just because you made your points, and I added different scenarios of your point, that would not mean my opinions are wrong, but it did show how you didn't include them in your response.

There are many misunderstandings in religion. People choose which ones to abide by and which ones they discard.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#219309 Mar 14, 2014
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Christian truth claims on based on the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ. That is how Christianity is falsified. It is not based on the conduct of Christians or whether or not it fulfills. It is based on total commitment to Jesus Christ in spite of earthly circumstances or temptations.
"It is based on total commitment to Jesus Christ in spite of earthly circumstances or temptations."

- and not to include these....huh?

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gth_pat_rob.htm

Please respond with why you don't believe this gospel?

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#219310 Mar 14, 2014
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>
OK, so I cannot say that I know for a fact that there are no deities anywhere in the universe, but I don't believe in any deities because so far I have not been presented with convincing evidence of any.
Does that make me an atheist or an agnostic?
It's not a matter of "knowing". Atheism is belief. Just like theism.

If either "knew", then it would not be belief.

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#219311 Mar 14, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
You mean bologna, doncha?
Ba....ba......ba.........ba... ......loney.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#219312 Mar 14, 2014
IPSEC wrote:
<quoted text>Yep. Watch the mourning at the demise of Kim Jong Il. Dear Leader was as much a deity as Immanuel, Jesus, or Lucifer.
<quoted text>
Dumb and Dumber...
Exactly how is he 'as much a deity' as Jesus?
Smile.
IPSEC wrote:
<quoted text>Keep your creepy smile to yourself, weirdo. Apparently you missed the reaction of the North Korean people on news of his death. The argument could be made that since we have ecocide cd of his existence and not just phantasmagorical stories, Kim Jong Il was more of a deity than your boys Luci of Heyzeus.
Perhaps RR can post a few definitions of deity for you.
Which North Korean people are you talking about reacting?

Kim Jong's influence equates to Jesus?

His behavior equates?

Does Kim have buildings dedicated to him all over the world like Jesus does?

I'm just trying to figure out how a 'rational atheist' oxymoron thinks...

Snicker.

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#219313 Mar 14, 2014
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, everyone is an atheist. Some are just more consistent than others about it.
:)
Why not? If you're going to be stupid, slather it on thick, man.

Here is why these arguments you make are so stupid. Not from me, but from an academic source, unlike your flippant, hippy ruminations.

Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy

1. Atheism

" AtheismÂ’ means the negation of theism, the denial of the existence of God. I shall here assume that the God in question is that of a sophisticated monotheism. The tribal gods of the early inhabitants of Palestine are of little or no philosophical interest. They were essentially finite beings, and the god of one tribe or collection of tribes was regarded as good in that it enabled victory in war against tribes with less powerful gods. Similarly the Greek and Roman gods were more like mythical heroes and heroines than like the omnipotent, omniscient and good God postulated in mediaeval and modern philosophy."

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#219314 Mar 14, 2014
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>i can say with all my heart "JESUS IS GOD COME IN THE FLESH"

can you?:-)
No. Let's see.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#219315 Mar 14, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
That's interesting.
How is it that a book you claim okays slavery is the only source prompting people to fight slavery?
<quoted text>
No, the question was for you, but when asked for a rational response, you defer to lazy scoffing.
The recent discourse about Stalin is an example of those who twist the Bible for their own interests.
So again, how do you explain the presence of Christians at the forefront of anti-slavery actions?
karl44 wrote:
<quoted text>
there are actually members of that cult, who recognize the moral failing of the bible
And that explains why Christians, and mainly only Christians, are at the forefront of anti-slavery actions.

Or is this another example of the 'rational atheist' oxymoron who likes to point out things we don't understand, but can't explain the accuracy of an Alien prophecy about the Jews, and Jesus predicting the existence of the Church (Ironically, surviving numerous prophecies by atheists of it's soon demise...).

Snicker.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#219316 Mar 14, 2014
IPSEC wrote:
<quoted text>By the way, this is the No True Scotsman fallacy. He acted like millions of Christians throughout history. Onward Christian soldiers! Kill 'em all, let God sort them out!
If God thinks this state of war in the universe a price worth paying for free will then we may take that it is worth paying.
Author: C.S. Lewis
Bind, Torture, Kill or drown them in the bathtub for Jesus!
Um, those aren't Christian verses.

What Christian verse are you suggesting Adam Lanza did follow.

By the way, did you hear the interview with his father recently?

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#219317 Mar 14, 2014
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Ba....ba......ba.........ba... ......loney.
You know, if being an intellectual is anything like you, I'm happy to be a redneck.

Happier than Rosie O'donnell at a buffet.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#219318 Mar 14, 2014
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>
OK, so I cannot say that I know for a fact that there are no deities anywhere in the universe, but I don't believe in any deities because so far I have not been presented with convincing evidence of any.
Does that make me an atheist or an agnostic?
It makes you a coward.

Here are your options:

1. There is a God and you don't want to know Him.

2. There is a God and He doesn't want to know you.

3. There is no God.

Why are you afraid to reach a conclusion?

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#219319 Mar 14, 2014
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm sorry, but your argument for those who lived their lives never having heard about the story of Jesus is that they will be judged solely on their actions, and because they would have been wholly unaware of Biblical law those laws were supposed to be "imprinted in their hears"?
So...God wasn't capable of telling everyone about Jesus in real-time, but God was capable of supposedly "imprinting in everyone's hearts" what the expectations for behavior were supposed to be from a god that they had never heard of?
WTF???
Moreover, Christians can be condemned for thought-crimes, but those who never hear about Jesus are only judged for their actions.
RR: here is Exhibit A for "why I'm very confident that the Judeo-Christian God does not exist".
Astounding!!!

Wildride just out judged the God of Justice!!!

This is the moment where the oceans stopped rising...

wait, wrong moment...

This is where the Supreme Court stepped down, and the International Court bowed in awe...

Wildride for SUPREME JUDGE OF THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!

Smirk.

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#219320 Mar 14, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
You know, if being an intellectual is anything like you, I'm happy to be a redneck.
Happier than Rosie O'donnell at a buffet.
Ba....ba....ba.........ba..... .....loney.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#219321 Mar 14, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
That's interesting.
How is it that a book you claim okays slavery is the only source prompting people to fight slavery?
<quoted text>
No, the question was for you, but when asked for a rational response, you defer to lazy scoffing.
The recent discourse about Stalin is an example of those who twist the Bible for their own interests.
So again, how do you explain the presence of Christians at the forefront of anti-slavery actions?
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, Christians speak and act in contradiction to what the Bible says all the time. In the case of slavery, some Christians broke from the Bible for a moral good.
For further reference, please refer to the Bible and history books.
But don't forget the Food Banks in your community. World Vision, The Salvation Army, originally the Red Cross, shall I go on???

Now your turn, list the 'rational atheist' organizations who 'broke for moral good'.

Snicker.

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#219322 Mar 14, 2014
KiMare wrote:
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>**PORTIONS SNIPPED**And that explains why Christians, and mainly only Christians, are at the forefront of anti-slavery actions.
KiMare wrote:
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
That's interesting.
How is it that a book you claim okays slavery is the only source prompting people to fight slavery?.
TODAY'S QUIZZES

Who instituted slavery in The New World?

1. Muslims
2. Vegetarians
3. Buddhists
4. Secular Humanists
5. Perverts
6. Christians
7. Naturalists
8. Gays & Lesbians
9. Vegetarians
10. Hindus

Who granted rulers the right to enslave non-Christians?

1. Archie Bunker
2. Martin Luther
3. Albert Einstein
4. Pope Nicholas V
5. Saladin
6. Genghis Khan
7. John Wesley
8. Adolph Hitler
9. Christ Columbus
10. Shintos

Who Murdered or Enslaved Native Americans?(This One Is Difficult)

1. Sheldon Cooper
2. Druids
3. The Ku Klux Klan
4. Sikhs
5. William Bradford
6. Shamans
7. White Supremacists
8. Zoroastrianists
9. Christians
10. Satan

.. guffaw ..

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#219323 Mar 14, 2014
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
"It is based on total commitment to Jesus Christ in spite of earthly circumstances or temptations."
- and not to include these....huh?
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gt_pat_rob.htm
Please respond with why you don't believe this gospel?
You did not address my points and now you bring up GoThomas which we already discussed and as I recall you bailed. If you never sincerely believed Jesus Christ bodily resurrected then you never were a Christian in the first place. Its not about the conduct of others or any of all that you brought up earlier. It's about one event in history. Resurrection.

Go ahead and do your thing, whatever it is and you can meditate on GoThomas all you want. Point being it did not make the cut. It has oddball sayings, there is no context to any of the sayings. There are other reasons. Nobody except perhaps you and a few flakes gives a rat's as# about GoThomas.

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