Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#218316 Mar 11, 2014
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. unless you can prove your false allegations, no defense is required. That's your MO - defend, justify and protect false self ..
.. you don't like feeling powerless, do you? Guess what? You have no power over me, I am your intellectual, emotional and spiritual superior. Deal with it and quit trying to change focus. By now you should know this doesn't work with me and I'll never fulfill your expectations ..
.. now, tell me exactly what you meant when you wrote, "If you were in front of me, I'd teach you a lesson or two." What was the lesson if not the power of your fists ??..
.. you claim to be in a 12-Step program yet fail to understand the message behind powerlessness. My hat is off to you, you're extremely powerful. And, violent ..
You are flat out lying again

Not only I never said fists I never said if you were in front of me I would teach you a lesson or two. I told you exactly what I said which was they would learn the definition of payback

You are a fraud

And I could care less about having power over you. Just like I could care less if I had power over some gunk that got stuck to my shoe. You have shown yourself to an immoral person who continues to go out of their way to stalk, mock and ridicule someone that has been victimized. And you will use sexual reassignment to get a cheap laugh at their expense despite the show you put on about tolerance. I pity you but I don't want power over you. Why the hell would I? On top of everything else you are delusional about the role you think you play in my life which is none

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#218317 Mar 11, 2014
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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My hat is off to you, you're extremely powerful. And, violent ..
Thanks. I am pleased you enjoyed last night as much as I did.
Chess Jurist

Columbus, OH

#218318 Mar 11, 2014
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>People often take the "slaves obey your master" verse out of context a lot too. It goes on to acknowledge unfair treatment and says when they are victimized to such that instead of reacting with violence they should turn their suffering over to God
Just as believers are taught to turn the other cheek.
There is a passage that talks about taking slaves when battling enemies of God in a particular conflict but just like many things in the OT those are not part of the new covenant.
Love God
Love your neighbor as yourself
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you
Love your enemy, neighbor, and brother
Those that have a problem with Mosaic law or things that happened in the OT really have an issue with Judaism if anything. While obviously part of our Bible, modern Christians are under different rules. If someone has an issue with Christianity today then they should show what in the New Testament they have a problem with. And any believer not abiding by it has to answer why not but that falls on them, not the faith
Well, here's my take, Skom.

When the society in which the writers of the canon controlled their environment, stuff like Numbers 31 was produced.

When they were dominated by outside forces, such as Rome in the first and second centuries, God's punishment was not immediate; it would have to wait until the afterlife.

Hyades would cure all then.

“Ditat Deus”

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#218319 Mar 11, 2014
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>heh
Personally find the whole thing kind of funny. It is like some are so anti faith that they won't even allow that both share some common words like "belief"
They can't prove God doesn't exist
However they believe He doesn't
Yet somehow refuse to use that word
If an atheist testifies in court as a witness is it now they only agree to answer questions because testify and witness are too closely associated with faith?
It seems a bit silly to me.
Oh ya. We've even had debates over the meanings of belief and faith because they're so afraid of using those words.

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#218320 Mar 11, 2014
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. so, why are you unable to do that ??..
Why would a supposed lesbian mock someone for having gender reassignment?

“Ditat Deus”

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#218321 Mar 11, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Good rebuttal as always.
Stop staring at my ass.

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#218322 Mar 11, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
Thanks. I am pleased you enjoyed last night as much as I did.
Thanks, man.

I left the money on the dresser, did ya get it?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

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#218323 Mar 11, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I said the three types of Biblical laws are Ceremonial, Cultural and Moral. The OT slave laws would be the Cultural kind.
They're the immoral kind.
Chess Jurist

Columbus, OH

#218324 Mar 11, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Topix Atheist! studies don't count.
Who?

Me?

I'm not an atheist.

I'm an agnostic.

I'm pretty sure there's a study that says we're smarter than everyone.

OK. I made that up.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

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#218325 Mar 11, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Oh? Reduce the complexity of a mousetrap, what do you have?
Still?

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...

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#218326 Mar 11, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Inevitable?!? Says who?
First of all, those men chose the priesthood. They chose a life of celibacy to serve God.
Second, over. 98% of them remain celibate and do nothing even remotely close to pedophelia.
Nuns are the sane way, choosing a life of celibacy.
Those that choose pedophelia do so at their own accord, NOT by any situation created by the RCC.
Exactly

Those men were pedophiles long before joining the priesthood. Which in all likelihood they either infiltrated to hide in plain sight and have access to children or at one point hoped it would help them control their perversion but gave way to it anyway

For someone to suggest a group of pedophiles hiding within the church were created by the church is like saying a group of rapists in public office were created by the Constitution. If people come in somewhere and do the opposite that the place stands for, how can someone blame the ideology?

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

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#218327 Mar 11, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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With the multiple translations, it's impossible to know what "fulfill the law" means, if it was even uttered. the remnants of Jesus' followers he left behind believed Jewish law still had to be obeyed. Paul went out preaching something different. The "pillars" of the early Jesus movement went to his churches and tried to correct him. It just pissed him off. They said, well, let him go. He can't do much harm.
...famous last words.
.. hence, certain teachings of the historical Jesus were corrupted ??..

“"None shall pass"”

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#218328 Mar 11, 2014
Catcher1 wrote:
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No, that's not it.
Jesus came and cleansed the faith of all the nasty stuff.
Fullfilled is what supposedly Jesus did, and we're in good shape as a result.
Good guy that Jesus.
So why do they bring up all the Jewish laws and prohibitions that Jesus allegedly removed ?

These people make no sense.

“The Bible is no science book”

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#218329 Mar 11, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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The Scripture's pretty clear.
"Whoever steals a man and sells him, and anyone found in possession of him, shall be put to death."
You can't steal a free man. You can't posses a free man. That verse is talking about people being stolen and forced into slavery.
We were talking about slaves, not free men. Another Israelite. You keep changing what you think a slave is so you can win the argument. The bible condones slavery, indenture, but wont let you capture a neighbor and make a slave of him. We all agree on that part.

But you simply refuse to admit that there were bought and sold slaves, that were the property of the slave master. He could buy him, sell him, beat him, keep his children and kill him if necessary. All condoned by the bible.

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#218330 Mar 11, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Oh ya. We've even had debates over the meanings of belief and faith because they're so afraid of using those words.
I remember the faith one about faith in science for believing it will eventually provide answers for things which there is currently none such as life forming from non-life

Even agreeing the faith was not spiritual in nature still wasn't enough

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#218331 Mar 11, 2014
Chess Jurist wrote:
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Who?
Me?
I'm not an atheist.
I'm an agnostic.
I'm pretty sure there's a study that says we're smarter than everyone.
OK. I made that up.
The only reason there's a Columbus Ohio is so Cleveland people have one city they can look down on.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

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#218332 Mar 11, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
It's not a concept at all. Laws can't be fulfilled.just like apples can't be emancipated or educated. It's a category error. Only certain verbs can apply to laws or apples. Laws can be written, amended, obeyed, broken, or rescinded, for example. But most other verbs don't apply. Laws can't be squared, invested, broiled, vacuumed, elongated, hospitalized, or evaporated. Nor can they be fulfilled.
Jibba-jabba.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I like that last part. Made a lot of sense, more sense than the rest.
And yet another fine rebuttal from you.

Can we assume that when you belly up like this that you have no defense?

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

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#218333 Mar 11, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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Thanks. I am pleased you enjoyed last night as much as I did.
.. who untied you? What did you do with my scarves? I have a weekend engagement, need them, please send via overnight delivery ..

“"None shall pass"”

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#218334 Mar 11, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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It's not a concept at all. Laws can't be fulfilled.just like apples can't be emancipated or educated. It's a category error. Only certain verbs can apply to laws or apples. Laws can be written, amended, obeyed, broken, or rescinded, for example. But most other verbs don't apply. Laws can't be squared, invested, broiled, vacuumed, elongated, hospitalized, or evaporated. Nor can they be fulfilled.
Jibba-jabba.
If Jesus said such a thing it was more likely (as a Jew) that he said "I come to obey the Torah, not abolish it." or "I have come to fulfill the Prophets, not to abolish the Torah."

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#218335 Mar 11, 2014
Chess Jurist wrote:
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Well, here's my take, Skom.
When the society in which the writers of the canon controlled their environment, stuff like Numbers 31 was produced.
When they were dominated by outside forces, such as Rome in the first and second centuries, God's punishment was not immediate; it would have to wait until the afterlife.
Hyades would cure all then.
i will be honest, I'm gonna need you to explain that to me

Obviously you are saying it went from immediate accountability to future accountability right?

Numbers is like one of the books I'm least familiar with so that's why I'm not fully getting the comparison.

And them are you saying even though Christians are under the NT that by delaying accountability it allows for more bad behavior than if we answered now?

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