Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#216737 Mar 5, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
Hey IANS! Uh, life is cold! No insulation here, the biggest snowstorm since the Meiji era - it was crazy, I had to shovel for 3 hours on 2 separate days!
Otherwise, good. Research is coming along, just starting a position at a good uni here. And yourself?
I'm as happy as I've ever been. Thanks for asking. Our weather is pretty good, with lows in the mid 40s and highs in low 80's. Lots of festivity locally in celebration of Mardi Gras.

Congratulations on your success and your progress.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#216738 Mar 5, 2014
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
Brilliant analysis doc. And I agree with your conclusions as well...
Thanks, Bob.

Since: May 10

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#216739 Mar 5, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Every liberal democracy in the West is the gift of secular humanism. Limited government, personal liberties, and a healthy middle class with economic and social opportunity are the hallmarks of humanistic government.
Look at that declaration above and compare it to your authoritarian tradition. Your bible has no interest in democracy or rights. It's all about commandments and submission. Humanists esteem education, autonomy and self-actualization. Christianity has no use for any of that.
“Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of spiritual things, but—more frequently than not—struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God ... Reason must be deluded, blinded, and destroyed. Faith must trample underfoot all reason, sense, and understanding, and whatever it sees must be put out of sight and ... know nothing but the word of God." - Martin Luther
"The church doesn't like for people to grow up, because you can't control grown-ups. That's why we talk about being born again. When you're 'born again' you're still a child. People don't need to be born again, they need to grow up." - Bishop John Shelby Spong
"Religion is always in the control business and that's something people don't really understand. It's in the guilt-producing, control business.... and so they create this fiery place which has quite literally scared the hell out of a lot of people throughout christian history. And it's part of a control tactic" - Bishop John Shelby Spong
You and I have an insoluble disagreement on this.

I think the case is overwhelming that our founders linked natural rights to a creator god.("endowed by nature and nature's God") This cannot be construed as humanism, in my view.

The similarity to humanism is the result of liberty and freedom of conscience afforded by the encoding of non-compliance with any religion.

I like to think we each can respect the other's view. I am not nearly as annoyed by yours as I once was. And we mostly agree on the malignancy of organized religion.

Sancho Panza

Fargo, ND

#216740 Mar 5, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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So the question is: why don't we just label all people who believe in supernatural powers, including the religious, insane?
1971

Churches across Russia are closed and Christians are put into insane asylums.

http://www.persecution.com/public/40years.asp...

Since: May 10

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#216741 Mar 5, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Scar! Scar!!! Woohoooooooooooo!
Thanks for learning to shorten your posts.:-)

Since: May 10

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#216742 Mar 5, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Nope, Hitler followed Social Darwinism which, emphatically, is not Darwinism.
You could nitpick and claim that evolution is different than Darwinism, but only b/c the contemporary theory understands genetics better than Darwin could and incorporates some saltatory mechanisms (and is beginning to add epigenetics).
The thing is, Social Darwinism is just racism based on a very poor interpretation of Darwinism.
The irony here, Buck, is that you have no issues claiming that Hitler wasn't a Christian - and I agree on you on this one, having found your evidence compelling. Yet Hitler used Christianity - just as he used Social Darwinism - to further his own ends.
Subsequently calling him a Darwinist is as dishonest as calling him a Christian, if you have all the evidence at your disposal. Hitler was a dictator. A necessary part of being a dictator is to manipulate others via appeals to their belief systems. Both Christianity and Social Darwinism served that purpose for Hitler.
Hey, no charge for the above turtoring, stud-man.(I don't know what the equivalent to 'chickee' is, that's the best I could come up with).
You are in error, chickie.

Hitler's utilization of christianity and Darwinism are not analogous.

He believed in Darwinism, and loved it. He hated christianity, but used it.

Social Darwinism is based on,....(as if it's a mystery...)....Darwinism.

That's why they call it "Social Darwinism".

If it were based on Aum Shinrikyo, it would be called "Social Aum Shinrikyo-ism".

If it were based on Diego Maradona, it would be called "Social Diego Maradona-ism".

That's how that works. I hope I have helped you.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#216743 Mar 5, 2014
Sancho Panza wrote:
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1971
Churches across Russia are closed and Christians are put into insane asylums.
http://www.persecution.com/public/40years.asp...
I think there's a touch of history missing from that link.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#216744 Mar 5, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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Thanks for learning to shorten your posts.:-)
U2
np

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

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#216745 Mar 5, 2014
YellowStar wrote:
<quoted text>You're post is too boring to read, so is your personality. Evolve a little, you've spent too much time in a classroom following directions and being told what to think.
ROFL!!!

Oh wait. You were being serious, weren't you.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#216746 Mar 5, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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You and I have an insoluble disagreement on this.
I think the case is overwhelming that our founders linked natural rights to a creator god.("endowed by nature and nature's God") This cannot be construed as humanism, in my view.
The similarity to humanism is the result of liberty and freedom of conscience afforded by the encoding of non-compliance with any religion.
I like to think we each can respect the other's view. I am not nearly as annoyed by yours as I once was. And we mostly agree on the malignancy of organized religion.
You're missing societal, cultural, religious, scholarly and political context for the above quote.

“I see quantum effects”

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#216747 Mar 5, 2014
virtuanna wrote:
<quoted text>You're not very good at "compare and contrast". Unlike "bald, color, death, fasting, nudity and abstinence, atheism is an institution, an entity that raises funds to increase its membership which is *done* "religiously" by its faithful. Get real, exile.
Where do I contribute?

Since: May 10

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#216748 Mar 5, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Hey IANS!
Uh, life is cold! No insulation here, the biggest snowstorm since the Meiji era - it was crazy, I had to shovel for 3 hours on 2 separate days!
Otherwise, good. Research is coming along, just starting a position at a good uni here. And yourself?
Thanks for asking. I have one more week of home incarceration, then the ankle bracelet comes off. I plan to kick up my heels.

My brother Fountain brings me plenty of beer and pork products, until the last few days, as he is now recuperating from injuries incurred when he was driving his pickup truck and leaned out the window to spit and the door came open.

Peebob and I laughed like hyenas. As a Topix update, the atheists have a new guy I call Blue Baboon. He claims dinosaurs had no DNA.

Darwin Stepped-in-It is still claiming to be a mathematician, but has found little to no support for his Infinite Donut Theory. I ran it past a physicist friend of mine, and he suggested I beat the hell out of DS.

And global warming is still a hoax.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

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#216749 Mar 5, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>Atheism is a belief and an ideology.

Listen to one of them yammer for 30 seconds - you'll hear the ideology.

It might be nonsense, but you'll hear it.

Some of them believe dinosaurs had no DNA.

Bwahahahahahahahah...
Secular humanism is an ideology.

Atheism is merely the absence of theism.

But you keep believing whatever lie makes you feel comforted. That's what infantile minds do.

Since: May 10

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#216750 Mar 5, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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I believe psychology technically defines insanity as believing in non-real things - their larger definition includes the supernatural. So, yeah, insane.
For whatever reason we don't call religious people insane if they belong to a religion with widespread social acceptance. However, if they belong to a small group, we have no issues labeling them and questioning their beliefs, despite all religions have equal evidence to their claims.
All religions have equal evidence to their claims?(should be "for" their claims)

I see you haven't gotten any smarter.

Judaism and Jedism have equal evidence?(The latter is a religion based on a 20th century fictional movie)

OK, then.

I'm thinking psychology might fit you into their definition of "insane", based on this one statement.

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#216751 Mar 5, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Agreed. That's my point. There is no evidence that they wouldn't, and plenty that they would both from history and in the words of the Dominionists and many Topix posters. This is what I was referring to when I invited Christians to show us examples where the Christian church has ever refused to torture and/or kill in times and places when it had the power to do those things legally, but tool a moral stand and said, "No! That is not right. It would be cruel and a violation of the Golden Rule." To my knowledge, never. They have always done the most horrible things to people when they thought they could, and there is zero evidence that that has changed.
KiMare thought he made his church look better than the Muslims by comparing the Christian taliban to the Muslim taliban. The main difference is that Christians are found principally where humanism has had the most influence. Secular democracies are a humanist innovation that limit Christianity in a way that the governments of several Muslim states either cannot or will not. KiMare wants credit for his church for that.
Of course they wouldn't! And it still goes on in Africa...

Since: May 10

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#216752 Mar 5, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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omg, that's crazy funny. I have one just like this, from Einstein. It reads:
"Dear Hiding,
you should listen to Buck. He's a genius and is trying to teach the entire human population the correct and only way of understand reality, and doing so on the only outlet that matters: Topix. Oh, and Riversideredneck should be the Protestant pope.
hahaha, Hiding, just kidding. Now get off Topix and go back to your work, you lazy ****.
Love,
dead Einstein."
I always knew that Einstein guy was smart - despite the hair.

I object to him calling you names. Lazy or not.

"Decorum is some important shit".
-Buck B. Crick

Since: May 10

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#216753 Mar 5, 2014
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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I prefer brutal honesty, so I call them insane anyhow.
But I get what you are saying, here.
See if you get this, Blob.

You have no brutal honesty. You have brutal stupidity.

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#216754 Mar 5, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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If the guy simply believed that God told him to? No.
If the guy built bombs, set up plans, dates and times and was actually gonna do it? Yes.
You see, the latter is action, the former - belief. There's no justifiable reason to kill a man for a belief.
Also, why did you include children in your hypothetical? Do you think it'd be somehow more tragic if children died instead of adults?
Well answered.

And yes, it would be more tragic if children were involved - as they have been in some terrorist attacks. Guess I was being emotive.

Since: May 10

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#216756 Mar 5, 2014
OG Kush wrote:
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Yes!
Sarcasm and truth... Double whammy!
"These highly educated, brilliantly innovative people" (sarcasm)
ELECTED the man and people you love to hate.
LOL
Is the general population of the USA both ignorant and stupid?
The election results pose the obvious question.
The Voters elected the POTUS and they are the MAJORITY, what does that say for your dismal future?
How much do you trust your elected government?
Are the Dems any better than Reps?
They both suck... and not well.
How do you know I'm not a NSA mole; gathering subversive information on topics posters?
Keyword progression association?
Nah... OG finds voters unremarkable, uninformed, and it shows. You have the govt the voters wanted. Quit whining or reeducate the population.
Oligarchy
Look it up - sound familiar?
Kenneth! What is the frequency?!

Since: May 10

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#216757 Mar 5, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Hey Christine!
Good, busy with research and writing up. I hope you are good!
Christine recently proved there is no god using E=mc^2.

And she proved the Pope is an atheist.

I'm sure you are pleased someone has continued your work here.

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