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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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virtuanna

Texarkana, TX

#216512 Mar 3, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Lol
Those are the words of Jon Favreau and his team, Obama just read them.
Take away Obama's teleprompter, see what you get.
That's a scary thought, dimbo without his professional speech writer.
`8^o

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#216513 Mar 3, 2014
virtuanna wrote:
<quoted text>Harris is evil and so are the idiots who idolize him.
Curious you demonize Harris. I will admit he has said some things I greatly disagree with. But most of those things, like hatred for Islam, is the same thing we hear from so many evangelicals.

Why aren't you demonizing Pat Robertson as well? He has said a lot that is just as bad, or even worse.
virtuanna

Texarkana, TX

#216514 Mar 3, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I feel bad for the pooch.
Maybe someone should kill Harris for having those thoughts....
According to Harris, the pooch was begging for it...

xD
virtuanna

Texarkana, TX

#216515 Mar 3, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
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Nano, behave yourself. Have you gone off your meds?
Make me!

Besides...your emperor has no clothes! arharharharhar
virtuanna

Texarkana, TX

#216516 Mar 3, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
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Curious you demonize Harris. I will admit he has said some things I greatly disagree with. But most of those things, like hatred for Islam, is the same thing we hear from so many evangelicals.
Why aren't you demonizing Pat Robertson as well? He has said a lot that is just as bad, or even worse.
I have no affection for Robertson...Harris, OTOH, needs outing to the mostly unaware public. He is a lesser known evil to the majority of U.S. citizens, unlike the Christian televangelists.

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#216517 Mar 4, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Religion - an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence. Anyone disagree with that?
Your definition is inadequate. It doesn't mention gods or the supernatural. I like this one better. Your definition is merely the antepenultimate bullet point.

DEFINITION OF RELIGION
http://atheism.about.com/od/religiondefinitio...

• Belief in supernatural beings (gods).
• A distinction between sacred and profane objects.
• Ritual acts focused on sacred objects.
• A moral code believed to be sanctioned by the gods.
• Characteristically religious feelings (awe, sense of mystery, sense of guilt, adoration), which tend to be aroused in the presence of sacred objects and during the practice of ritual, and which are connected in idea with the gods.
• Prayer and other forms of communication with gods.
• A world view, or a general picture of the world as a whole and the place of the individual therein. This picture contains some specification of an over-all purpose or point of the world and an indication of how the individual fits into it.
• A more or less total organization of one’s life based on the world view.
• A social group bound together by the above.

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#216518 Mar 4, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Atheist Beliefs:
1. There is no creator, the universe has either always existed, or it punched its own ticket
2. Christianity is a problem for mankind that needs to be eradicated for furtherance of the species
3. The Bible is an overly-long collection of lies and propaganda
4. Evolution and the Big Bang Theory (somehow) disprove the existence of God
One can be an atheist without believing any of those things. If you merely want to list the things that many or most atheists believe, don't forget that the dawn begins in the east and that smoking cigarettes is unhealthy.

Regarding those beliefs, none of them is entirely accurate. There are other possibilities considered besides the two listed in [1]. For example, the universe may have budded off from an eternal multiverse.

Christianity doesn't need to be eradicated, just subdued.

"Lies" is a strong word.The bible is probably better described as myths, genealogies, vague and useless predictions, chronologies of kings and ancient wars, magical claims, bad science, compromised ethics, and vapid platitudes, many of which contradict one another. The book is the lesser part of the church's "propaganda" (proselytizing), most of which is oral.

Number [4] is simply incorrect.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#216519 Mar 4, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Atheist Cultural Systems:
1. Atheist "churches," where non-believers gather to discuss...hmm, not a clue what they discuss there but I'm definitely going to check one out
2. Internet Atheism, where groups of like-minded atheists post hate rants at Christians, then rate each others' posts as "Awesome!" while rating the Christians' posts as "Shite"
Irrelevant to the argument that atheism is a religion. Some of us may want to participate in a community of atheists. I do. I also participate in a community of bridge players. We also have meeting places and Internet sites.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Atheist World Views:
1. Mankind can take care of itself
2. We live, we die, that's that
3. Christianity must be eradicated
4. Religious intolerance is the source of mankind's problems
As I already noted, none of this is essential to atheism, and holding such views doesn't constitute religious belief or make atheism a religion.

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#216520 Mar 4, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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Humanists have a much worse record of atrocity and crimes against humanity than Islamic Jihadists.
- In the 90 years between 1917 and 2007, humanists murdered 18.3 million percent more people than all of religion over 3,000 years.
--The historical record of killing for humanism is 182,716 times worse on an annual basis than Christianity's worst year.
--There is a 58 percent chance that a humanist leader will murder a noticeable percentage of the population over which he rules.
--Humanist crime against humanity is 18.3 million percent worse than the very worst depredation committed by Christians, even though humanists have had less than one-twentieth the number of opportunities with which to commit them.
LOL.

The Affirmations of Humanism - A Statement of Principles
http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php/12

• We are committed to the application of reason and science to the understanding of the universe and to the solving of human problems.

• We deplore efforts to denigrate human intelligence, to seek to explain the world in supernatural terms, and to look outside nature for salvation.

• We believe that scientific discovery and technology can contribute to the betterment of human life.

• We believe in an open and pluralistic society and that democracy is the best guarantee of protecting human rights from authoritarian elites and repressive majorities.

• We are committed to the principle of the separation of church and state.

• We cultivate the arts of negotiation and compromise as a means of resolving differences and achieving mutual understanding.

• We are concerned with securing justice and fairness in society and with eliminating discrimination and intolerance.

• We believe in supporting the disadvantaged and the handicapped so that they will be able to help themselves.

• We attempt to transcend divisive parochial loyalties based on race, religion, gender, nationality, creed, class, sexual orientation, or ethnicity, and strive to work together for the common good of humanity.

• We want to protect and enhance the earth, to preserve it for future generations, and to avoid inflicting needless suffering on other species.

• We believe in enjoying life here and now and in developing our creative talents to their fullest.

• We believe in the cultivation of moral excellence.

• We respect the right to privacy. Mature adults should be allowed to fulfill tprophheir aspirations, to express their sexual preferences, to exercise reproductive freedom, to have access to comprehensive and informed health-care, and to die with dignity.

• We believe in the common moral decencies: altruism, integrity, honesty, truthfulness, responsibility. Humanist ethics is amenable to critical, rational guidance. There are normative standards that we discover together. Moral principles are tested by their consequences.

• We are deeply concerned with the moral education of our children. We want to nourish reason and compassion.

• We are engaged by the arts no less than by the sciences.

• We are citizens of the universe and are excited by discoveries still to be made in the cosmos.

• We are skeptical of untested claims to knowledge, and we are open to novel ideas and seek new departures in our thinking.

• We affirm humanism as a realistic alternative to theologies of despair and ideologies of violence and as a source of rich personal significance and genuine satisfaction in the service to others.

• We believe in optimism rather than pessimism, hope rather than despair, learning in the place of dogma, truth instead of ignorance, joy rather than guilt or sin, tolerance in the place of fear, love instead of hatred, compassion over selfishness, beauty instead of ugliness, and reason rather than blind faith or irrationality.

• We believe in the fullest realization of the best and noblest that we are capable of as human beings.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

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Fennario

#216521 Mar 4, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
The "NonStampCollector" is a ruse that is offered by atheists as an analogy of atheism and its identity as a lack of belief, as in, not collecting stamps. The analogy is a lie. Someone who adopts that name is, therefore, dishonest. If theism is stamp collecting, an atheist would be one who doesn't think stamps exist, not someone who simply chooses not to participate. Thus, the lie. Thus, your friend is a liar. And it figures.
Here's my collection:

Atheism is a religion like not collecting stamps is a hobby.

Atheism is a religion like bald is a hair color.

Atheism is a religion like transparent is a color

Atheism is a religion like health is a disease state.

Atheism is a religion like death is a lifestyle.

Atheism is a religion like nonsmoking is a habit.

Atheism is a religion like fasting is a menu entree.

Atheism is a religion like unemployment is a career choice.

Atheism is a religion like nudity is a fashion style.

Atheism is a religion like abstinence is a sexual position.

Atheism is a religion like off is a radio station and silence a song playing on it.

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Fennario

#216522 Mar 4, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
The annual rate of committing homicide nationally is 5.4 per 100,000 persons.
Did you mean annual rate per capita or annual rate? Riverside Redneck, who as you know is into statistics, prefers the annual rate - numbers like 16,250 homicides per year. That's a higher annual rate than either California or Louisiana. Hell, it's higher than any 49 states and D.C. put together.

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#216523 Mar 4, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
So your contention is that since one person scammed the system, we should eliminate the system? Doesn't that mean that since we have any number of preachers that have scammed their churches, we should eliminate Christianity altogether? Just to be consistent.

Re: Atheist soup kitchens.(This is for Buck, too) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/13/athe... Yes, there are atheist soup kitchens.(BTW, I notice you dodged the question.) This one was started because a Christian soup kitchen would not allow atheists to volunteer to help.

I think I posted not long ago about a Freethinker group in Haiti that was building badly needed latrines...while several Christian groups were building churches in a country that is already covered up in churches.

Why is government assistance "depriving them of incentive to strive" while Christian assistance isn't? You seem to lack consistency in you positions once again.
Great post four times over.

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#216524 Mar 4, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Excellent movie. You can't watch it with the stupid farting added in. Here it is without the farts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =04qBqCJlbC0XX&sns=em.
Thanks. That's better.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#216525 Mar 4, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Did you mean annual rate per capita or annual rate? Riverside Redneck, who as you know is into statistics, prefers the annual rate - numbers like 16,250 homicides per year. That's a higher annual rate than either California or Louisiana. Hell, it's higher than any 49 states and D.C. put together.
LOL. I didn't catch that little faux pas of Buck's.

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#216526 Mar 4, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Christians represent 32% of all charitable donations.
But they make up 75% of the country. You've got the other 25% of us non-Christians accounting for the other 68%. I'm guessing that you messed up your statistics again.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
In 2012, they donated over 214 million dollars. Compare that to your billionaire philanthropists.
In 2012, there were about 313 million Americans, or about 235 million Christians. Converted to a per capita rate (ducks), 214 million dollars works out to just over 90 cents a throw each per year - nearly two cents a week each Christian. Is that what you meant?

More statistics.

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Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#216527 Mar 4, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Bull. The theory of evolution states that all life came from one life, the common ancestor. That cannot be tested, but it's taught as if it's an indisputable fact.
There are many examples of scientific claims that are either untested or untestable.
Nonsense.

The ToE postulates that the observed process of evolution over time is the result of smallish changes in larger populations over millions of years.

That's "observed".

I realize that your teeny-weeny mind can't wrap itself around all those big numbers, but try, willya?

Sheesh.
OG Kush

Jacksonville, FL

#216528 Mar 4, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
This is friggin awesome.
Unless you like Obama.
How Reagan summed up Obama in the first 5 minutes of a speech over 40 years ago.
http://youtu.be/P3hY1eagq88
Ronnie and "mommie" ?
Americas real odd couple!

Challenged by present evidence Reagan ran the most corrupt administration of the 20th century,

By the end of his term, 138 Reagan administration officials had been convicted, had been indicted, or had been the subject of official investigations for official misconduct and/or criminal violations.

In terms of number of officials involved, the record of his administration was the worst ever.

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2005/10/17/157477...

Why Obama is president?
GOP is retarded. They pick losers.

John McCain and Sarah OMG Palin were zero competition.

Megarich Mitt insulted 47%
of the country leading to the greatest landslide victory in recent history.

Republicans mounted a campaign that had nothing to do with helping Americans but everything to do with stopping Obama in achieving anything.

What they did achieve was to expose how insane the GOP has become.

Despite their best efforts the 'Kenyan' has proved successful.

At least it keeps Fox Mews aka 'bullshit mountain' in business .. who else can they hate more?

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#216529 Mar 4, 2014
Evolution:

If you see footprints in the snow it is evidence that someone walked there.

Creationism:

If you see footprints in the snow it is proof that God made them.
virtuanna

Texarkana, TX

#216530 Mar 4, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
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What? You don't find it kinda creepy that a religion of peace and love is using guns to lure people to Jesus?
It is one church in one "sect" that is doing it, apparently, and I only have your word on that. You make a sweeping statement, implying that ALL Christian sects are involved in that behavior, which is not true.

I find it repulsive that you try to paint millions as guilty of the offenses of few. That, and you completely ignore the groups like the Black Panthers who came on CNN and offered free guns to any black who desired to kill whatever whites were unlucky enough to cross their paths at the right "moment".

Using "any" kind of material lure to fluff up attendance at any kind of church is lame. It's no different than fruit day for an African missionary, it only draws moochers and the insincere. A church that gives away weapons is a failing one, not one for you to be afraid of, wussy.

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YellowStar

Eden Prairie, MN

#216531 Mar 4, 2014
You're post is too boring to read, so is your personality. Evolve a little, you've spent too much time in a classroom following directions and being told what to think.

Darwins Stepchild wrote:
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I suggest you don't use Einstein to support your case because he said a LOT that goes against it. His ideas of "sacred" do not match up with yours at all.
And, yes, Santa Claus. As long as we are going to be talking about beings with no evidence of existence, why discriminate? Certainly you've heard it before? Should I have mentioned the Tooth Fairy instead? Or maybe Make Make (pronounced Mawkay Mawkay if you didn't know) if you want to get into actual gods? There is just as much evidence of Make Make as there is for Jehovah. Yet I doubt you would make a Make-Make-of-the-Gaps argument. Likely you would consider it very silly.
And, yes, magic. Miracles are magic. Miracles defy the laws of physics. Magic defies the laws of physics. Same difference. That fact may offend you, but deal with it.
I would strongly expect that I know a fair amount more about quantum mechanics than you do since I have actually studied the subject...both undergrad and graduate levels. Plus a lot of extra reading on my own. Physics is a hobby of mine.
And QM shows probabilistic behavior. Not intelligent behavior. You have been listening to someone that doesn't know anything about QM either. Electrons are not intelligent, nor do they act in a manner as if an intelligence is guiding them. While probabilistic individually, they act in a very predictable fashion when viewed en masse.

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