Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Redondo Beach, CA

#216038 Mar 1, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
The problem with it isn't what it stands for, it's the way the government attached things to it, and made it a tax that means fines for non compliance. Never before have Americans been forced to buy a service or pay a fine. The other problem is the timing, I see it as just another way the government to make revenue, which means they aren't really concerned about you, but are about your money. We are fast losing freedom here, and we're soon to wake up with none.
If the government was really concerned about you and your health, they would have mandated a flat rate and footed the bill themselves, but as it is the government has raided all the money set for SS medicaid and has their claws firmly in us now. This is nothing more than another unsustainable pyramid scheme, that produces money from fines for them.
My good friend Aura, I believe you paint with too broad a brush when you indict "the government."

“What?”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#216039 Mar 1, 2014
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
The Redneck felt the need to slip in the word "mongrel."
The rest of the last paragraph was just window dressing.
"Mongrel" is the latest mantra for the racists, under the leadership of Ted Nugent.


"Here I come again now baby
Like a dog in heat
Tell it's me by the clamor now baby
I like to tear up the street

And I been smokin for so long
You know I'm here to stay
Got you in a stranglehold baby
You best get outta the way"

~ Ted Nugent

Strangehold baby...

Texas?

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#216040 Mar 1, 2014
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>
I've started to look into this "Obamacare" thing.
The quickest way may be to watch Fox News and just believe the opposite of everything they say.
LOL

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#216041 Mar 1, 2014
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>
I've started to look into this "Obamacare" thing.
The quickest way may be to watch Fox News and just believe the opposite of everything they say.
The biggest savings in health care costs will be that poor people will no longer require emergency room visits to get treatment. They will be able to get treatment in a doctors office for the vast majority of ills, plus they will get preventative medicine which will save bunches.

That is, if their states will sign onto the expansion of Medicaid...which a number of Republican controlled states have refused to do. Georgia's governor is even suggesting that poor people should even be excluded from the emergency room care they currently have.

Republicans seem to think that providing medical care for everyone is an evil thing. Especially since it passed under Obama.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#216042 Mar 1, 2014
sweets2360 wrote:
<quoted text>
This is what you said:
There it is folks ~ The 'rational humanist' who sounds like a bully bigot.
Ss couples are still a defect of mating behavior making ss marriage an oxymoron.
Anal sex is still inherently harmful, unhealthy and demeaning.
Smirk.
Defect, defect defect. You said it . You deny it and this is your post. And you are right I know about sex, had four children. But people marry all the time with no intention of having any kids, even tho they are able. What people do in their bedrooms is none of my business nor yours.....You want to go into your friends homes and see what they are up to at night? So you can condemn them? I guarantee that they are not just doing the missionary position. So I guess everybody is defective.. Are you jealous you never got off your back and tried anything else? So you want to persecute everybody else?
You are a joke?
Hearty laugh
Notice that quite a few of our theists are big on denial.

And that's not the river in Africa.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#216043 Mar 1, 2014
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
My good friend Aura, I believe you paint with too broad a brush when you indict "the government."
I have notice that AM seems to share a number of positions with the Tea Party.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#216044 Mar 1, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
<quoted text>
I have notice that AM seems to share a number of positions with the Tea Party.
Conservative , not tea party. They're a little bit to radically far off center for me, with ideas of overthrow Roe vs Wade religion etc.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#216045 Mar 1, 2014
Catcher1 wrote:
The Redneck is brainwashed, by religion. You are also brainwashed, by the military. Your authoritarian personality, coupled with the brainwashing, makes you perfect for the military/Christianity complex.


“Finding the occasional straw of truth awash in a great ocean of confusion and bamboozle requires intelligence, vigilance, dedication, and courage. But if we don't practice these tough habits of thought, we cannot hope to solve the truly serious problems that face us --- and we risk becoming a nation of suckers, up for grabs by the next charlatan who comes along.”- Carl Sagan

This is true on an individual level - the intellectually indolent become victims. But it's also tru at a group level. People that refuse to try - people that simply acquiesce to what sounds authoritative - when accumulated in sufficiently large numbers, put the rest of us at risk as well.
virtuanna

Texarkana, TX

#216046 Mar 2, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah. So if a gal gave you a hand job, you'd call it sex.
Weird.
If anybody got off, it was sex.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#216047 Mar 2, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
Conservative , not tea party. They're a little bit to radically far off center for me, with ideas of overthrow Roe vs Wade religion etc.
Are you saying the Tea Party is not conservative? Some of the Tea Party's big issues are guns, low taxes and small government.

You may not be a Tea Party-er, but you still share some positions with them.
virtuanna

Texarkana, TX

#216048 Mar 2, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
The problem with it isn't what it stands for, it's the way the government attached things to it, and made it a tax that means fines for non compliance. Never before have Americans been forced to buy a service or pay a fine.
...
Um, you forget that we haven't always had mandatory auto insurance.
virtuanna

Texarkana, TX

#216049 Mar 2, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
My initial statement was that lesbians can't have sex, the best they can get is third base.
In what way do you think I've "moved away" from that.
lol, all lesbians are hypocrites.
They claim they only want to be with other women but they still crave the real thing.
virtuanna

Texarkana, TX

#216050 Mar 2, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
Only you and Willy Clinton can think that nonsense.
haha, the words of a man afraid of his wife and hoping she's dumb enough to believe it.

erm...maybe a woman who's never done it might be stumped by that defense...still...Hillary's a hard nosed btch...but, she could appreciate the desperation of man holding onto that kind of power...power that she shared WITH him. If he had just been a shoe salesman playing around, she woulda smacked him good!
virtuanna

Texarkana, TX

#216052 Mar 2, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not that repressed when it comes to positions.
I have tried:
The Flying Dutchman, The Penal Colada, The Plump Pumpkin, The PB&J, The Garden Salad, The Taco Tackle, Summer Sausage, The Anal Cruelty, The Urethra Punch, The Squealin' Pig, The Squirmin' Sherman, The Clitoral Crunch, The Red Baron, The Portuguese Pot Holder, Bumper Cars, The Big Dipper, and the Twisted Doggy.
Some of those make me hungry.
Unlike a gnarly consuelo, hmm?
virtuanna

Texarkana, TX

#216053 Mar 2, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Theists think radically differently, and I agree - it's not reasoning. It's rationalization of the faith based choices.
lol

Like the reasoning you use when saying you accept the possibility of the existence of any god BUT the Christian one?

Yeah, that's so totally rational.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#216054 Mar 2, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
Let’s not forget that you are also very biased and intolerant against those who believe in God.
You're projecting. It is actually Christianity that is hostile to its critics. Do I need to repeat the scriptures that teach Christian atheophobia, or quote the public figures that reinforce it?

In contrast, we merely reject faith as a way of knowing truth and your god claims. We accursed, nor do we have no fantasies about you burning in hell, nor any other ill will for you. Where is the bigotry there?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#216055 Mar 2, 2014
"We accursed"

should read

"We do not consider you accursed"

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#216056 Mar 2, 2014
Happy Lesbo wrote:
.. that's the reason for the questions ..
.. are we the sum total of our experience, is it hard-wiring, the influence of authority figures ??..
.. or, do all these things form personal beliefs ??..
If you're willing to invest the time, the links I supplied on the psychology of belief go into that in detail. There are a whole host of psychological mechanisms at play.

The Psychology of Belief from AntiCitizenX

[1]

[2] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
[3] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
[4] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
[5] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
[6] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
[7] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
[8] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
[9] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
[10] http://www.youtube.com/watch...

I found nine more videos from the same source comprising two more series bundled here
http://www.youtube.com/watch... (all 9 parts), which are also available unbundled. The last four are a response to objections to the first five.

Philosophical Failures of Christian Apologetics from AntiCitizenX

[1] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
[2] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
[3] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
[4](unable to find separately)
[5] http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Responding to Objections from AntiCitizenX

[1] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
[2] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
[3] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
[4] http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Here are a few ideas that are discussed there:

[1] Need for closure - psychological term that describe an individual's desire for a firm answer to a question and an aversion toward ambiguity.

[2] Psychological attribution - the tendency to assign reasons and infer the causes of events or behaviors.

[3] Patternicity (apophenia and pareidolia)- the experience of seeing meaningful patterns or connections in random or meaningless data.

[4] Agenticity - the belief that things are controlled by a thinking and deciding mind, a type of anthropomophization.

[5] Teleological thinking – hardwired tendency to see things as having a purpose.

[6] Desire to conform - the need for social acceptance, greater than the need for objective truth.

[7] Belief perseverance - the tendency to cling to ideas even when confronted with evidence to the contrary. http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-belief-persev...

[8] Confirmation bias - the tendency of people to favor information that confirms their beliefs

Combine those basic tendencies with these manipulation techniques:

[9] Informational influence - public conformity occurring when people accept the opinions of others about reality even against their own impressions.

[10] Misinformation effect - the tendency for false information (perhaps suggested by a leading question) to become integrated into memory

[11] Recognition conformity - misinformation effect combined with the information influence ("It was a miracle!")

[12] Primacy effect - things learned first seem most important (teach them young)

[13] Compliance techniques
(a) Low-ball technique - involves getting a person to make a commitment and then raising the terms or stakes of that commitment, such as just have faith followed by much more.
(b) Reciprocity - people are more likely to comply if they feel that the other person has already done something for them, like die for our sins.

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#216057 Mar 2, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
The problem with it isn't what it stands for, it's the way the government attached things to it, and made it a tax that means fines for non compliance. Never before have Americans been forced to buy a service or pay a fine. The other problem is the timing, I see it as just another way the government to make revenue, which means they aren't really concerned about you, but are about your money. We are fast losing freedom here, and we're soon to wake up with none.
If the government was really concerned about you and your health, they would have mandated a flat rate and footed the bill themselves, but as it is the government has raided all the money set for SS medicaid and has their claws firmly in us now. This is nothing more than another unsustainable pyramid scheme, that produces money from fines for them.
"The middle way is no way at all. If we finally fail in this great and glorious contest, it will be by bewildering ourselves in groping for the middle way." ~John Adams

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#216058 Mar 2, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
<quoted text>
The biggest savings in health care costs will be that poor people will no longer require emergency room visits to get treatment. They will be able to get treatment in a doctors office for the vast majority of ills, plus they will get preventative medicine which will save bunches.

.
Oh,...really? You like to repeat liberal myths, huh?

Oregon Study Exposes Another ObamaCare Falsehood: Rather Than Reduce Unnecessary ER Use, Medicaid Increases It

"Over an 18-month period, 100 low-income, uninsured adults in the Portland area would visit the ER about once each, on average. When Medicaid made health care “free” these households, they made an additional 40 visits over that period — a 40-percent increase."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelcannon/201...

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