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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#214961 Feb 25, 2014
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> It was a valid question since you go against majority scholarship on this one. Name one contemporary historical account of any person who lived in the time of Jesus? You are the one who denies historicity of Jesus because there is no contemporary writings from His time affirming His existence.
**MY** statements are valid criticism.

Your claim has never been proven.

It is YOUR claim -- not mine.

I'm simply debunking your lie about the supposed historicity of your myth.

As such, it's up to YOU to prove your Jesus was NOT myth.

You have failed on every turn-- all you have is OPINION.

You NEVER post an actual DOCUMENT which would PROVE your Jesus was a real man.

This is because you cannot--

--- NO SUCH DOCUMENTS EXIST.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#214962 Feb 25, 2014
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Come on, Buck.
I expect better from you.
Buck is taking lessons from RR.

Seems their goal is to become more ignorant every day.

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#214963 Feb 25, 2014
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Indeed-- I do dismiss all ***religious** so-called "documents".
For the simple reason that they each have an agenda-- and accurate history didn't make the list.
Just as I would dismiss all **religious** so-called "documents" about Zeus, or Thor or Imhotep.
But it's much worse than you portray: there is not a single document written during Jesus' alleged life-- not even a **religious** one!
The various "gospels" we have-- including the ones not canon, are all written several generations after the alleged events.
That fact is the most damning of all-- there never was a historical Jesus.
.. it still doesn't make sense to me. Here's my thinking:

1. The man we call Jesus was presumably an itinerant preacher.
2. At the time, most of the people were illiterate.
3. Because of this, word-of-mouth was the only way to disseminate his message.

.. should we trust modern scholars who make a case against a historical Jesus or people that lived shortly after the event ??..

.. at the time of crucifixion, neither a rebel, thief or murderer would warrant mention by the Romans. Like Edgar Allen Poe or Emily Dickinson, a man named Jesus became famous after his death and biographies were written ..

.. still, the idea that Jesus never existed is an intriguing viewpoint ..

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#214964 Feb 25, 2014
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree 100% with your statement and conclusions, here.
It is impossible to impose morality on a population-- the people have to **want** it, first.
Of course-- how you raise your children has an eventual effect on the morality of the adults they become.
And religion has demonstrated it does not do a very good job, of raising moral and ethical adults.
For proof, I submit the most **religious** political group in the US, at present, The TeaBaggers.
Who are also the most immoral political group in many a decade.
I wouldn't call them immoral, but they are radical fundamentalist Christians.
Nearly the same type person as the radical fundamentalist Muslims.
In fact they are the ugly side of the two religions , the ones that want to kill each other.
The tea party are the ones who would raise the ark of the covenant and march to war.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#214965 Feb 25, 2014
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree, Aura-- 100%, with what you just said.
People are violent, and will usually find an outlet for said violence, regardless of how you limit the means.
And although I admire Australia's bold experiment?
I wouldn't want to live with it myself.
The only nit I could pick-- and it's a minor one-- is that guns *do* make it easier to commit a lethal act, than other things commonly available.
Of course-- someone hellbent on committing murder will find a way-- cars are readily available, for example, and are more deadly in any case.
It is easier to make a car bomb that could take out a city block than to make a gun.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#214966 Feb 25, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks, Bob.
<a tip of my non-existent hat>

:)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#214967 Feb 25, 2014
scaritual wrote:
Why do you make me do this to you? I'm starting to think you're a masochist.

The murder rate per capita, based on 2010 figures. The data was compiled from FBI gun crime statistics and U.S. Census figures.

Louisiana
Population (total inhabitants) 4,533,372
Gun Ownership (%) 44.1%
Gun Murders (rate per 100,000 inhabitants) 7.7
Gun Murders (total deaths) 351

Missouri
Population (total inhabitants) 5,988,927
Gun Ownership (%) 41.7%
Gun Murders (rate per 100,000 inhabitants) 5.4
Gun Murders (total deaths) 321

Maryland
Population (total inhabitants) 5,773,552
Gun Ownership (%) 21.3%
Gun Murders (rate per 100,000 inhabitants) 5.1
Gun Murders (total deaths) 293

South Carolina
Population (total inhabitants) 4,625,364
Gun Ownership (%) 42.3%
Gun Murders (rate per 100,000 inhabitants) 4.5
Gun Murders (total deaths) 207

Delaware
Population (total inhabitants) 897,934
Gun Ownership (%) 25.5%
Gun Murders (rate per 100,000 inhabitants) 4.2
Gun Murders (total deaths) 38

Michigan
Population (total inhabitants) 9,883,640
Gun Ownership (%) 38.4%
Gun Murders (rate per 100,000 inhabitants) 4.2
Gun Murders (total deaths) 413

Mississippi
Population (total inhabitants) 2,967,297
Gun Ownership (%) 55.3%
Gun Murders (rate per 100,000 inhabitants) 4.0
Gun Murders (total deaths) 120

Florida
Population (total inhabitants) 19,687,653
Gun Ownership (%) 24.5%
Gun Murders (rate per 100,000 inhabitants) 3.9
Gun Murders (total deaths) 669

Georgia
Population (total inhabitants) 9,920,000
Gun Ownership (%) 40.3%
Gun Murders (rate per 100,000 inhabitants) 3.8
Gun Murders (total deaths) 376

Arizona
Population (total inhabitants) 6,392,017
Gun Ownership (%) 31.1%
Gun Murders (rate per 100,000 inhabitants) 3.6
Gun Murders (total deaths) 232

California came in at number 12.

California
Population (total inhabitants) 37,253,956
Gun Ownership (%) 21.3%
Gun Murders (rate per 100,000 inhabitants) 3.4
Gun Murders (total deaths) 1,257
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_ ...

It's easy to see that Louisiana's murder rate by firearm is a bit over twice as high as the California statistic.

Is California's total murder by firearm number higher? Yes, but I didn't say, "murder total", I said, "most murder per capita, by firearm.

California's population is eight times the population of Louisiana, too.

RiversideRedneck wrote:
You don't know that actual gun ownership rates. People who have illegal guns don't register them...

We don't know how many legal firearms are unregistered either. For instance, firearms in the U.S. weren't required by law to have serial numbers until the Gun Control Act of 1968.

I have a shotgun and a .22 without a serial number at all. Bought over 20 years ago from an individual. Entirely legal to own.

I wonder how many firearms there are in the U.S. when you factor *that* into the mix?

At any rate, I'm not interested in discussing this issue much further than this. I find gun control conversations to be sharply divided and emotion/insult filled.

In my opinion, it raises the ire of people more than discussing religion.

Plus it bores people to...um...death.
Oh Noes! You used.....math!

You will blow out Ar Ar's feeble little brains-- both neurons will quit firing, here...

<laffin>

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#214968 Feb 25, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
That is incorrect.
In some states, a person earning above $62,000 per year is not eligible for a subsidy no matter the cost of the premium.
In my state, a person earning $62K can be paying as high as $1,000 a month in premiums, or roughly 20% of income, not 9%, and ineligible for a subsidy.
And this is not accomplished by "a health care system". It is the government.
"...as high as..."

There's tnat self-serving hyper-selectivity of facts again.

Because what's the opposite of "...as much as...."?

That would be "....or as low as....", with the added benefit that the lowest priced policy will meet standards of care far higher than the low-ball junk insurance available previous to the ACA.

Don't be a carrier.

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#214969 Feb 25, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I already answered this yesterday. I think there's more gun violence in California than any other state because California has the strictest gun laws in the union.
<quoted text>
You'll excuse me for not taking your opinion on this as fact.
No worries...you can take the opinion of the others who are pointing out how ridiculous you're making yourself look over this.

Again...why oh why would California have more gun deaths than any other state?

What on earth could the answer be?

LOL...poor RR...so sadly clueless....

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#214970 Feb 25, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
This is what makes sense.What matters most is population density.
This is where Atlanta pushes the comparison with other large cities.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =FWNOiw_XIV8XX
I have to agree.

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#214971 Feb 25, 2014
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Brilliant!
LOL!
Sadly, RR still couldn't get it.

Sad, but not surprising.

LOL

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#214972 Feb 25, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Yet? In all three of those countries, Christians are predominant.
One need not attend church to be Christian.
I thought you knew.
No-- they are most definitely **not**-- not if you **ask** the actual people themselves.

Besides-- none would qualify as a Real Christian™, according to you, would they?

Who Would Jesus Asfuck, Redneck?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#214973 Feb 25, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
<quoted text>
Note that the likes of RR will denigrate people that go to church but don't really believe as not being True Christians.
UNLESS...they need the numbers for an argumentum ad populum. In which case they suddenly morph into Christians for that argument.
Of course-- lying is how he rolls.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#214974 Feb 25, 2014
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
....
2. At the time, most of the people were illiterate....
This is a common misconception. Most Jews of the time were very literate in Hebrew, both writing and reading. in fact, it was considered a sin not to teach your children to read and write.

Many of the merchant class throughout the Roman Empire would have been literate in Greek and/or Latin as well as their native language.

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#214975 Feb 25, 2014
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> No i do not. <quoted text> Historicity matters. You are not fit to car ry Ehrman's briefcase. Historians conclude by majority consensus Jesus existed . baptised by John , and killed via Pilate. Live with it.
I think your historicity claim to have a bit of credence, BUT you overstep completely when you gratuitously toss in, "majority consensus.....baptism.....Pila te." Way over.

And I've read Ehrman extensively. Thus it is with amusement that I see you appealing to him as authority. Duly noted, and "...not fit to carry Ehrman's briefcase," will be re-visited in the future. I promise. ;)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#214976 Feb 25, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
The historical Jesus is established well enough to be accepted by most credible scholars.
False.

None of your "scholars" are credible on the subject-- if they are Genuine Christians™

That's because to be a Genuine Christian™, you have to accept the basic lie that "god is not only real, but wants a close personal relationship with your body"
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#214977 Feb 25, 2014
EXPERT wrote:
<quoted text>
I made no such claim. Now go get me a beer 8!tch...
No difference, you're asking someone to prove a negative, you're saying he is a coward for NOT proving a negative. I don't even believe this person made any claim either way, simply asking for the person with the positive claim to prove it. So by calling him a coward you're asking him to prove a negative, thats an argument from ignorance.

BTW how's your expertise in music going?(chuckles)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#214978 Feb 25, 2014
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
.. it still doesn't make sense to me. Here's my thinking:
1. The man we call Jesus was presumably an itinerant preacher.
2. At the time, most of the people were illiterate.
3. Because of this, word-of-mouth was the only way to disseminate his message.
.. should we trust modern scholars who make a case against a historical Jesus or people that lived shortly after the event ??..
.. at the time of crucifixion, neither a rebel, thief or murderer would warrant mention by the Romans. Like Edgar Allen Poe or Emily Dickinson, a man named Jesus became famous after his death and biographies were written ..
.. still, the idea that Jesus never existed is an intriguing viewpoint ..
Where you set of assumptions breaks down is this:

We **do** have historical record-keeping from that time-frame.

The Romans, again, who had conquered the area.

We have records of lots and lots of stuff from that time-frame, including olive oil sales.

But we have **nothing** about this Jesus character. Not one word.

Not even the bible dates to this time period-- all the new testament biblical records **start** at 2 generations removed, and most are 3 or 5 generations removed.

If this Jesus was charismatic enough to be the basis for a religion?

SOMEONE in that time would have noted it.

No one did.

No Jewish historians (of which we have some documents), no Roman ones either.

That is the most damning thing of all-- the sheer **lack** of **anything**.

The logical conclusion, is that Jesus is a chimera of legend, folk tales and superstitions, cobbled together by Constantine, in 300ACE.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#214979 Feb 25, 2014
BenAdam wrote:
<quoted text>
It is easier to make a car bomb that could take out a city block than to make a gun.
Indeed it is.

Fortunately?

Most 'Murricans seem to prefer using the easy to get gun, instead.

Else we'd be seeing an American version of the IRA, or perhaps an American Taliban.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#214980 Feb 25, 2014
Just Think wrote:
<quoted text>
Sadly, RR still couldn't get it.
Sad, but not surprising.
LOL
Likely his coffee has run out, and he's back to using a single neuron-- the other one is taking a much needed nap.

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