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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#214807 Feb 25, 2014
KiMare wrote:
Wow, "Functionally indistinguishable" from Islam?
<quoted text>
You have no rational response to tell.
Just defending your bitter anger to hell.
That will not work out well.
ChristINSANITY is EVIL wrote:
<quoted text>
You're projecting,girl...
carry on and amuse us more,
Okay.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#214808 Feb 25, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I do pitch in, just as every tax paying American does.
The federal income taxes that you pay now go principally to interest payments to service the debt, the DOD and foreign war, domestic wars on citizens (war of drugs and domestic surveillance), and farm subsidies. A bunch went to bank bailouts, too.

Other countries can afford to provide their citizens universal coverage, but combined with the huge cuts in taxes on the wealthy, there just isn't enough left over for you after those expenses I named.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Pretty good universal coverage, eh?
You don't have that.

Did you want it? Did you support the notion?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#214809 Feb 25, 2014
Catcher1 wrote:
Don't neglect the walk around the lake. It's good for your health.
Thanks. We've been lax there the last several months.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#214810 Feb 25, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Eight thousand years of human history, and not ONE atheistic poster child country???
ANYWHERE???
What does that say???
Snicker smile.
<quoted text>
Lol, your ignorance exposes your deceit.
I was responding to an honest atheist (Freudian slip?) who acknowledged their is NO atheistic poster child country!
Apparently 'rational atheists' think all the words that come out of anyone's mouth make atheists right.
Stick with your comfort zone, huh, Hippo?
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, I saw who you responded to.
I also saw who you didn't respond to.
Repeatedly.
Just like before.
I know, the schtick don't play out so good if you actually acknowledge those that do answer.
These aren't people, just 2-dimensional playthings on a screen. Apparently fun is hard to come by, so enjoy yourself, by all means.
>wink<
You are lying like ObamaNation Hippo.

The only countries brought up were the Scandinavian countries. I responded to that answer Religion is not eradicated or outlawed.

The only ones not responding directly to the questions are 'rational atheists'.

SMirk.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#214811 Feb 25, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>Is that in the OT Laws about hygiene?

I'd love to learn more.

SMile.
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
Smile. Smirk snicker.
Seriously?
Wow, more upset by being annoyed than by a lie.

Clear evidence of a narcissistic reprobate. Not the first time you've heard that is it?

SMile.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#214812 Feb 25, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
LOL Al Melvin, Republican state representative in Arizona, doesn't like Common Core standards in education because... ALGEBRA!!! Quote Pressed by Bradley for specifics, Melvin said he understands "some of the reading material is borderline pornographic." And he said the program uses "fuzzy math," substituting letters for numbers in some examples. End quote
What a riot. So algebra is rated X, huh? That's its favorite letter.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#214813 Feb 25, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
***ignorant bigotry and troll hate***
I don't know what an atheist country is. I envision a wholly humanistic culture, one which is compassionate, and which celebrates reason and the human potential. Christianity offers an ideology of despair, human failure, dependence, angry judgement, and retribution.
You don't know what an atheistic country is? BS lying.

However, shift the shit if you want coward.

Give me a poster child example of a 'humanistic culture' that has eradicated religion.

Smile.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#214814 Feb 25, 2014
KiMare wrote:
My wife and I helped a couple.
So you say. How did you help? Pray for them? Offer to take them to your church?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#214815 Feb 25, 2014
KiMare wrote:
You made the claim for a culture devoid of religion.
What does that mean? What do you say I claimed? It certainly wasn't for "a culture devoid of religion," which I consider unnecessary and an unattainable goal.
KiMare wrote:
I challenged you to provide a poster child example, and now you are running like a sissy. And yes, I am taunting you. I also challenged you to ask your family and friends if you needed a letter. What's the matter, didn't like what they said? Smile.
You seem insane to me.

I asked you this:

"You're still evading my question: What do you think faith and religion have done for you with regard to your intellect, character and personality? Has it made you a better person in any of those areas? Do you care?

After a few weeks of evasions, I answered for you:

"Your mind is mush, you have no personality, you have the disposition of a snapping turtle, and you are ill-manned. That's what a lifetime of faith and religion have done for you."

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#214816 Feb 25, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
How spiritually important is knowing about bacteria? The Bible doesn't mention the invention of the wheel or test tubes either, but it's not about wheels and test tubes. I mean, really, what do you want? Was it supposed to mention microwaves and pizza? Maybe the Bible was written the way it was so we solve the mysteries of the world on our own and not be told everything. Ever think of that?
Then why read the bible? I don't care about myths, genealogies, vague and useless predictions, chronologies of kings and ancient wars, magical claims, compromised ethics, or vapid platitudes advising me to diminish myself.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#214817 Feb 25, 2014
HipGnosis wrote:
Not so much assumptions as educated guesstimation based on experience thus far. Witness a small selection from the fertile minds of the conservative misinformation machine:

• In the official G.O.P. response to the State of the Union address, Representative Cathy McMorris Rodgers alluded to the case of “Bette in Spokane,” who supposedly lost her good health insurance coverage and was forced to pay nearly $700 more a month in premiums. Local reporters located the real Bette, and found that the story was completely misleading: her original policy provided very little protection, and she could get a much better plan for much less than the claimed cost.

• In Louisiana, the AstroTurf (fake grass-roots) group Americans for Prosperity — the group appears to be largely financed and controlled by the Koch brothers and other wealthy donors — has been running ads targeting Senator Mary Landrieu. In these ads, we see what appear to be ordinary Louisiana residents receiving notices telling them that their insurance policies have been canceled because of Obamacare. But the people in the ads are, in fact, paid actors, and the scenes they play aren’t re-enactments of real events — they’re “emblematic,” says a spokesman for the group.

• In Michigan, Americans for Prosperity is running an ad that does feature a real person. But is she telling a real story? In the ad, Julia Boonstra, who is suffering from leukemia, declares that her insurance has been canceled, that the new policy will have unaffordable out-of-pocket costs, and that “If I do not receive my medication, I will die.” But Glenn Kessler of The Washington Post tried to check the facts, and learned that thanks to lower premiums she will almost surely save nearly as much if not more than she will be paying in higher out-of-pocket costs. A spokesman for Americans for Prosperity responded to questions about the numbers with bluster and double-talk — this is about “a real person suffering from blood cancer, not some neat and tidy White House PowerPoint.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/24/opinion/kru...

I personally spoke with an older friend (and right-winger) who squawked about his premiums going up $7000! He had not even tried to get on the marketplace website. After I showed him he could get better coverage, for a lower deductible, for approx.$640/mo, he was much pleased.

Another conservative friend is more typical - he flatly refuses to look at the new marketplace website for fear it may validate something his ideology informed him he was to oppose.. In that case it would be exactly as your situation - if you're not willing to see what options are available, than at least quit whining.

Add these and so many more together with the outright lies spewing forth (death panels, anyone?) and as I say, I am sorry, but without more complete information, I just don't believe your story. Is it comparable coverage? What about total out-of-pocket? Have you investigated alternatives?

Yours may very well may be true, but you would be one of the first, which is highly unlikely.
Good post - very informative.

What a mess, though? How can a democracy survive such an assault? Citizens need to be wise, alert, well educated, and armed with accurate information to govern themselves effectively. I think that that ship has sailed.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#214818 Feb 25, 2014
Happy Lesbo wrote:
.. how can we recognize this Satan guy? Does he really carry a pitchfork ??..
He'll be the guy standing behind the smiling KiMare pitchforking him.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#214819 Feb 25, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>Is that in the OT Laws about hygiene?

I'd love to learn more.

SMile.

Wow, more upset by being annoyed than by a lie.

Clear evidence of a narcissistic reprobate. Not the first time you've heard that is it?

SMile.
You have amazing powers of perception.

Must be god given, right?

Smile smirk snickerdoodle fart belch sniffle grunt

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#214820 Feb 25, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
In the US, 90% of the population believes in a personal God that interacts with them in reality. As soon as we look at the percentages of those who graduated college the number DROPS to 60%. We then look at scientists, most of whom have masters or doctorate degree's and the number DROPS more, down to 40%. The last group of "elite" scientists,(heads of research projects, department heads, ect) the number DROPS all the way down to a mere 7% It becomes obvious that the belief in that which cannot be proven, exists with the much less intelligent.
That's quotable. I've saved it.

Here are some other recent additions to my quote collection for those interested in such things:

“What would you do if there were no God? Would you commit robbery, rape, and murder, or would you continue being a good and moral person? Either way the question is a debate stopper. If the answer is that you would soon turn to robbery, rape, or murder, then this is a moral indictment of your character, indicating you are not to be trusted because if, for any reason, you were to turn away from your belief in God, your true immoral nature would emerge … If the answer is that you would continue being good and moral, then apparently you can be good without God.”- Michael Shermer

“It makes no difference that your opinion comes from the Bible. The choice to believe it, to accept it, and to spread it is purely all yours and completely subjective.”– anon

“We will continue to speak out, becoming more publicly and more vehemently opposed to this ridiculous delusion that serves only to erode rational thought, personal responsibility and the peace and security of all citizens.”– anon

“Any animal whatever, endowed with well-marked social instincts, would inevitably acquire a moral sense or conscience as soon as its intellectual powers had become as well-developed, or anything like as well-developed as in man.”- Charles Darwin

“Supporting the notion that non-believers go to hell is clearly intolerant of those that do not share your beliefs ... Don't be intolerant toward others, pretend you're tolerant, and get offended when others don't respect your beliefs. Go ahead and support the notion that people who disagree will end up in the lake of fire - but don't be taken back when they mock you, and don't expect anything different in return. Reap what you sow”– Matthew Metzger

“Religious institutions that use government power in support of themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths, or of no faith, undermine all our civil rights.”- Thomas Jefferson

“How is it that hardly any major religion has looked at science and concluded,“This is better than we thought! The Universe is much bigger than our prophets said, grander, more subtle, more elegant?” Instead they say,“No, no, no! My god is a little god, and I want him to stay that way.” A religion, old or new, that stressed the magnificence of the Universe as revealed by modern science might be able to draw forth reserves of reverence and awe hardly tapped by the conventional faiths.”- Carl Sagan

“Almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so.”- Robert A. Heinlein

“Imagine the people who … are not ashamed to ignore, totally, all the patient findings of thinking minds through all the centuries since the Bible was written. And it is these ignorant people, the most uneducated, the most unimaginative, the most unthinking among us, who would make themselves the guides and leaders of us all; who would force their feeble and childish beliefs on us; who would invade our schools and libraries and homes. I personally resent it bitterly.”- Isaac Asimov

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#214822 Feb 25, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow, you're easily swayed.
Some random dude on a free thread says that God created AIDS and <<<poof>>> you believe it and run with it.
Is that how the rational freethinker works?
Leukemia and cancer are creations of man. We've done it to ourselves by not stating pure, eating pure and acting pure.
Say what? I thought people like you believed god created the universe and all that implies

I think it amazing how delusional godbots like you can claim god created everything oh except the bits we don’t like. Do you realise how childish that is?

So please advise how man created leukaemia and cancer?

Which lab the diseases created in?

is it general knowledge that man created leukaemia and cancer?

Or could it be that you are bullshitting because you know these diseases existed long before your god was even a twinklle in the eye of an escaped slave?

So you must mean pure like wot you is. Such godly hypocrisy, verbal abuse, mockery of disability, wife beating, child beating, threatening with deadly weapons. Is this what makes a good christian who will never suffer cancer or leukaemia or even mental delusion?

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#214823 Feb 25, 2014
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>There's a Latin source for that bon mot. "Penis erectus non conscientiam habet".
I did not know that but having looked into Roman custom is surprises me not. It juts goes to show that you can lean something new everyday

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#214824 Feb 25, 2014
Catcher1 wrote:
We all know you hit a baby and a woman.
You told us about it.
It's an unringable bell, redneck.
Unringable to you, perhaps. That's because you inflate and exaggerate the issue.

And now you're being inconsistent in your lies.

Just last night you said two different things:

1. "Especially those who hit babies and women."
2. "We all know you hit a baby and a woman."

Which lie will you stick with? Is it babies and women or a baby and a woman?
OG Kush

Jacksonville, FL

#214825 Feb 25, 2014
Speaking of quotable quotes...

Scriptures: the sacred books of our holy religion, as distinguished from the false and profane writings on which all other faiths are based.~Ambrose Bierce

No man ever believes that the Bible means what it says: He is always convinced that it says what he means.~George Bernard Shaw

“The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and 362 admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn’t mean that God doesn’t love heterosexuals. It’s just that they need more supervision.”~ Lynn Lavner

“More people have been slaughtered in the name of religion than for any other single reason. That, my friends, that is true perversion.”~ Harvey Milk
"Why would God give every man two heads, but only enough blood supply to use one at a time?" ~ Robin Williams on Intelligent Design

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#214826 Feb 25, 2014
KiMare wrote:
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Eight thousand years of human history, and not ONE atheistic poster child country???
ANYWHERE???
What does that say???
Snicker smile.
<quoted text>
Lol, your ignorance exposes your deceit.
I was responding to an honest atheist (Freudian slip?) who acknowledged their is NO atheistic poster child country!
Apparently 'rational atheists' think all the words that come out of anyone's mouth make atheists right.
Stick with your comfort zone, huh, Hippo?
<quoted text>
You are lying like ObamaNation Hippo.
The only countries brought up were the Scandinavian countries. I responded to that answer Religion is not eradicated or outlawed.
The only ones not responding directly to the questions are 'rational atheists'.
SMirk.
No, you didn't respond, you ignored by shifting the boundaries of an already vague proposition.

Define "atheist nation" - if it is defined as "doesn't acknowledge deity or faith set in their foundational contract", then the Scandinavian countries certainly do qualify, as does Switzerland, as does the USA, for that matter. For all practical purposes, these social contracts are secular and humanistic in conception, and non-theist, which for the purposes of the question (it had a purpose, right?) is effectively a-theist.

Now shift your ephemeral boundaries again. You desire one that attempts to actually outlaw religion. There are none, that have officially done so, in history, with the exception of Albania, so for the purposes of your question, we have only one example to draw from. The vast majority in history are in some form theistic, the rest have either recognized (cynically) that religion is an effective control tool, with a few, very few, who enshrined tolerance into their social contract.

In general, atheists don't care, such society only asks one keep it to oneself. In this light, an effectively secular, non-theist nation is a far superior paradigm for faithers AND non-believers. The pitfalls of a theistic nation are dissension, division, marginalization, oppression. I defy you in return to name an example of a theistic nation that avoided these inherent social weaknesses.

But like a liar who assumes all are equally dishonest, you assume we should finda examples of atheists who prosecute their >lack of belief< with the same missionary zeal as theists. They don't, as a group, allowing for >individual< exceptions. They don't care about foolish myths and archaic fantasies, and they look upon friends and family with such notions with a measure of benign pity, as one who is mildly deranged. They will only get militant when the deranged tries to crap on the dinner table, or when the faither tries to externalize their "faith".

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#214827 Feb 25, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
<quoted text>
A couple of MAJOR differences here...
Henry Ford was not omnipotent nor omniscient. He could not foresee the consequences nor prevent them. If this God character is omniscient and omnipotent as advertised, He could. But he didn't and he doesn't.
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?"
--Epicurus
As for that last sentence of yours...projection.
(Though I don't consider you the dumbest poster on Topix. There is just too much competition from the likes of RR and Bongo for you to take first place. You'll just have to settle for Miss non-Congeniality.)
And of course our dreariest butt crack is totally wrong, it was/is Thomas Midgely Jnr who is responsible for most motoring related deaths

Many years after he himself died he is still killing thousands of people a day worldwide.

There are only 2 things that can beat him in the killing humans stakes, one is real and one is a myth, I leave it up to you to decide which is which

The mosquito responsible for the highest number of deaths of humans by any animal throughput recorded history, even the marmot cannot compete

And the abrahamic god who killed ever single living thing on this planet except for a small handful of close buddies and about 20 million animals.

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