Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#213971 Feb 22, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
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I’m just wondering why you would even ask that question if you were a Christian for 40 years. Here is just one of many prophecies that was fulfilled.
You said you were a Christian for 40 years. Why do I have to teach a former Christian?
Just one of many.
Old Testament Prophecy:
“Therefore the Lord Himself shall give you a sign, Behold, the young woman who is unmarried and a virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel–God with us (Isaiah 7:14).
Fulfillment:
“Now the birth of Jesus Christ took place under these circumstances: When His mother Mary had been promised in marriage to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be pregnant (through the power) of the Holy Spirit”(Matthew 1:18).
You had to go to the easiest one to refute first? The deficiencies could fill pages for the day - the Christian mistranslation of "almah", the incongruity of an alleged "prophecy" couched in a larger narrative having nothing to do with the alleged "fulfillment", the obvious ability of the 1st century author to craft any old story he wants from "prophecy", the fact that no one at any time ever called Jesus "Immanu-El", the fact that there's nothing whatever unusual in OT times for a child's name to include some derivative of the deistic "El" - the list goes on and on.

I challenge anyone without a preconceived bias to read the entire narrative in Isaiah 7-9 and see where a Jesuine prophecy "pops out". It falls apart on it's face.

Interesting sidenote - on the CARM webpage, if one goes to this question, you will find a user discussion in the "Comments" where the apologist moderator finally concedes that it is a "difficult" one on it's own, and relevant only in the total body of prophecy. In other words, a typical apologist cop-out.

If this is your lead-in, we can only imagine what Sunday School level "proofs" you'll disgorge next.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#213972 Feb 22, 2014
KiMare wrote:
Ss marriage is a mating behavior oxymoron. Then why are they trying to impose an imposter religion on marriage and family?
More than a few of us are confused by your preoccupation with mating. Panty sniffing is as unbecoming in you as it is in your god.

Fewer and fewer people care what you dinosaurs think any more. As time passes and your numbers, credibility and social clout wane, you become increasingly marginalized and disregarded. You now appear ridiculous.
KiMare wrote:
And there you have it folks. A near senile old jackass completely exposes the atheistic facade of reason and relegated the bunch to a bumbling, mumbling, whining pile of sissies. Smirk.
Yeah, just like that.

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#213973 Feb 22, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
In the fifth century B.C. a prophet named Zechariah declared that the Messiah would be betrayed for the price of a slave—thirty pieces of silver, according to Jewish law-and also that this money would be used to buy a burial ground for Jerusalem's poor foreigners (Zechariah 11:12-13). Bible writers and secular historians both record thirty pieces of silver as the sum paid to Judas Iscariot for betraying Jesus, and they indicate that the money went to purchase a "potter's field," used—just as predicted—for the burial of poor aliens (Matthew 27:3-10). www.reasons.org
LOL! I see you completely avoided "explaining" why the anonymous author of Matthew attributes this to Jeremiah, NOT Zechariah. Simple error? Well, so much for the "inerrant Word of God", hmmm?

I'd sure like to know what "secular historians" acknowledge the Jesus betrayal story as historical fact? Lacking that, what we have is yet another author combing Hebrew scripture for disparate words excised from context and woven into their false Messiah narrative.

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#213974 Feb 22, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Some 400 years before crucifixion was invented, both Israel's King David and the prophet Zechariah described the Messiah's death in words that perfectly depict that mode of execution. Further, they said that the body would be pierced and that none of the bones would be broken, contrary to customary procedure in cases of crucifixion (Psalm 22 and 34:20; Zechariah 12:10). Again, historians and New Testament writers confirm the fulfillment: Jesus of Nazareth died on a Roman cross, and his extraordinarily quick death eliminated the need for the usual breaking of bones. A spear was thrust into his side to verify that he was, indeed, dead. www.reasons.org
NO where in Hebrew prophecy will you find their belief that God can be a man, much less be killed. This is one of the most blasphemous notions in all Christendom as far as a Jew is concerned.

So, what you have is a post-Jesuine author again combing Hebrew scripture to weave into his story and finding "Messianic prophecy" that even the Jewish author(s) didn't know was there. Amazing.

I get it - you're just going to spam cut & paste from an apologist website, which contains no attributions? In other words, you have not independently studied the material, namely your Bible.

Fail. Anyone else actually read their Bible? One unequivocal prophecy that requires no "Spirit" interpretation or indoctrination to believe - that's all I ask.

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#213975 Feb 22, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
However, ss couples can never measure up to marriage let alone be equal.

Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
.. there it is folks !!..
.. homosexuals are not the equal of heterosexuals ..
KiMare wrote:
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
However, ss couples can never measure up to marriage let alone be equal.
<quoted text>
Um, honey, never said that.
In fact, many homosexuals marry. It's always been legal.
Determined to be a victim?
Smile.
.. careful. When a person thinks they have found the perfect victim, they sometimes become the prey ..

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#213976 Feb 22, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
More than a few of us are confused by your preoccupation with mating.
No, thank goodness there are only a few of you so arrogantly stupid to not know that mating behavior is one of the strongest animal instincts, not to mention your claim that science has nothing to do with marriage. Your silly, gay attempt to divert by trying to be clever is only further exposing your idiocy. You just keep digging the hole deeper.

Your whole post reverted once again to angry rants about God and bully trolling. I suspect you are a bitter, angry gay. Do you understand your focus on God undermines your claim of atheism???

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#213977 Feb 22, 2014
Happy Lesbo wrote:
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
However, ss couples can never measure up to marriage let alone be equal.
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
.. there it is folks !!..
.. homosexuals are not the equal of heterosexuals ..
<quoted text>
.. careful. When a person thinks they have found the perfect victim, they sometimes become the prey ..
That's the lesbian in me you are attracted to.

Smirk.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#213978 Feb 22, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Here we go again with stupidity...
What an idiotic claim. Science is the understanding of all things.
The opinion of social science about marriage is this: At its most basic essence, marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.
What childish reasoning, how old are you??? Why are you asserting things you clearly know nothing about? Evolution gives us genetic mutations, some good and some not.
I am a perfect example of that fact. A genetic chimera (hence my name), and a hermaphrodite. Scientists have been unable to provide any explanation for homosexuality, leaving it a defect of mating behavior. The best theory to date is a epi-genetic marker MISTAKE.
Here is another question you will be unable to answer:
Why does a butch lesbian dress and act like a man TO ATTRACT ANOTHER LESBIAN???
One more question:
Why don't you concede like a man when you lose?
Smile.
Hush, tard.

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#213979 Feb 22, 2014
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>
Hush, tard.
I tried to warn everyone that engaging KiMare was a mistake...he's completely unhinged.

If you ignore him, he will most likely go away.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#213980 Feb 22, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
You see allowing same sex couple to marry as an imposition on you, but forbidding it is not an imposition on them.
lightbeamrider wrote:
SSM is already forbidden in my state. If they want to redefine then they have to make their case.
Forbidden? Did you mean not yet legal?

You think and write the way we would expect from somebody raised under the authoritarian cloud of religion, where you use words like "forbidden," "submission," "rebellion," "accountability," "judgment" and "commandment." It's all quite off putting and beneath the dignity of self-actualized adults.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Your faith has made you self-centered. Only your values matter. And things are understood only in terms of how they affect you, even when they don't. Your religious training has blighted your ability to be compassionate or even fair.
lightbeamrider wrote:
you reduce this all to a personal attack on me. Self centered and this and that. Personal attacks are not rational arguments.
That was a description of my observations on the effect of religion on the man you are, not a personal attack and not an argument. If I decide to attack you personally, it won't be as charitable as this.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#213981 Feb 22, 2014
lightbeamrider wrote:
Distorting posts, feigning ignorance,....is this what you are reduced to?
I don't know what you are talking about. Did you mean quoting you verbatim when you said distorting posts?

And what ignorance have I feigned? Is this related to your burden of proof comment? Did you think that you communicated something that I pretended to not understand? Why would I do that? When have you ever seen me do that before now? Burden of proof is irrelevant to that issue. Nothing needs to be proven. It's enough to appeal to people's sense of decency and fair play, and hope that they haven't been too indoctrinated by the church to not care. And that is what we have done with the help of many Christians in the news - exposed the unkindness of your faith. The result has been what you have seen - declining support for Christian ethics and its worldview.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Your religious training has blighted your ability to be compassionate or even fair. How do you think that the rest of us should feel about that? Do you think that we should we want more people raised like that, or fewer?
< complete silence >

Good choice.

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Redondo Beach, CA

#213982 Feb 22, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
That's the lesbian in me you are attracted to.
Smirk.
One thing I dislike is a smirking Christian.

Did their Jesus smirk?

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Redondo Beach, CA

#213983 Feb 22, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
What do you do for a living?
LB?

I say retired military.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#213984 Feb 22, 2014
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>NO where in Hebrew prophecy will you find their belief that God can be a man,
Why can't God be a man? There is precedent in Genesis 32 where God appears as a man to Jacob. Jacob states he has seen God face to face and yet lives in verse 30. Is Jacob committing blasphemy? That is just one example.
much less be killed.
Jesus allowed. That is the difference and for a purpose.
This is one of the most blasphemous notions in all Christendom as far as a Jew is concerned.
Yeah they are either right or wrong on that one. Not all Jews are on the same page.

http://www.jesusplusnothing.com/messiah/messi...

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#213985 Feb 22, 2014
KiMare wrote:
The opinion of social science about marriage is this: At its most basic essence, marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.
Wrong.
KiMare wrote:
Evolution gives us genetic mutations, some good and some not.
I am a perfect example of that fact. A genetic chimer (hence my name), and a hermaphrodite.
Chimera and hermaphrodite, huh? That's got to be rough, especially as a homophobe. Which gender did you marry?
KiMare wrote:
Why don't you concede like a man when you lose? Smile.
I guess I don't need to ask you the same question any more.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#213986 Feb 22, 2014
Just Think wrote:
<quoted text>
I tried to warn everyone that engaging KiMare was a mistake...he's completely unhinged.
If you ignore him, he will most likely go away.
Seen him before on the Gay/Lesbian forums. He's why scrolling was invented. He's an idiot but he's not a fun idiot and therefore, he's of no value to me.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#213987 Feb 22, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
I've been put of the loop for awhile and more or less missed the entire debate on this issue. It sounds to me that what America needed was a public option or publicly funded health care, not a plan that fails to adequately address the problem of millions of uninsured people while raising premiums for millions of others like you. Do you know why you don't have either of those? Didn't Obama think of that?
Hey - it wasn't a total loss for everybody. Thirty million uninsured Americans might go under, but it sounds like the health insurance industry did well.
He's lying. His premiums did not go up-- that's a Fox SNooze lie-- and has been proven to be a lie every single time FN claims it-- by fact checkers.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#213988 Feb 22, 2014
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Quaalude Bob?
<in a very condescending voice>

Did your Jesus tell you to spew such hate to me like this?

Hmmm?

I bet you think he did, don't you?

You are **such** a credit to your cult of hate.

Thanks!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#213989 Feb 22, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Then why do you gay atheists get so upset when I smile?
Smile.
1) I'm not gay-- not that it matters.

2) I'm not upset-- I *am* pointing out your extreme hypocrisy

3) your "smile" is one of a predator--- the same smile a cat does just before eating the mouse

4) you are a fine example of hate-- which is why I despise your beliefs.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#213990 Feb 22, 2014
lightbeamrider wrote:
Referencing a Catholic website? That is interesting since you rant against other doing it.
What I said is that I wouldn't believe anything found only on a Christian website, not that you wouldn't. I chose the Christian one for you. Here is the same article from two secular sources

http://www.examiner.com/article/uk-court-rule...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13256...
lightbeamrider wrote:
Given your jaundiced view of Christians in general along with your browbeating and name calling, I question whether any of that is truly humanist, at least I hope not.
What do my views have to do with it? It's a link to a news story.

And yes, rebuking Christian homophobia is very consistent with humanist values. We're the ones pushing back against the church.
lightbeamrider wrote:
Recently you have been getting your behind kicked with some excellent responses to your posts. It must be frustrating for you.
Yeah, that's it. I'm frustrated. You people are such able adversaries.

If you have to strut about and declare victory for yourself like your fellow chess pigeon KiMare, you go into the same category as the person who tells others about how well liked they are or much sex they get.
http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Chess+with+p...

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