Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#212791 Feb 17, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
<quoted text>
Not just the abuse. I think a lot of it has to do with the guilt trip that Christians lay on gay people. You hear the words all the time, even on this thread. Abomination in the sight of God.
Christians. First they get hit upside the head with the Establishment Clause and then they get hit with this:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

What shall the Christians do next? Prey on children?

I'm just guessing.

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#212792 Feb 17, 2014
lightbeamrider wrote:
So some minister did a kid wrong in Africa.
Your concern really comes through, when you say it like that.
lightbeamrider wrote:
Am sure articles like this feeds your bigotry.
lightbeamrider wrote:
What is your point.
You'd make a great 911 operator.

Caller: "I need help! Someone is chasing me, and I think they're going to burn me to death!"

LBR: "What is your point?"
lightbeamrider wrote:
The internet is full of this shit and everybody knows it and there is no way to fact check any of it.
Were you thinking of the Bible?
lightbeamrider wrote:
You have to be one of the sleaziest persons on Topix.
Eagle had a similar reaction to River's story about intolerance at the church she was attending. Your concern is for the image of Christianity, not for any damage the religion is doing in the world. You erroneously see you and your fellow god botherers as the victims of undeserved criticism, that you call bigotry.

There are places in Africa that are particularly receptive to some of the worst aspects of Christian dogma, and there are plenty of American Evangelicals that are more than happy to infect them with it. They are supported by a significant portion of the Christian population here, who would like to do the same, here, but can't. Christianity is restrained here. That restraint is obviously necessary.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#212793 Feb 17, 2014
Henry wrote:
In the nuclear Age accidents like Fukushima can make you homeless.
Thanks for the heads up.

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#212794 Feb 17, 2014
River Tam wrote:
Can I give all the persecution points to Clearwater?
I fear for his sanity.
There is nothing to be afraid of.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#212795 Feb 17, 2014
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
your religion is **still** responsible for more atrocity than any other-- if you factor in the ratio of people per 1000 killed because of your sort of faith. The muslims have much catching up to do-- if they wish to surpass your religion's ugly record.
KiMare wrote:
You equated Islam and Christianity today. Either validate your claim or rescind it.
No, he didn't equate them. He compared them, and found Christianity to be ahead of Islam in the atrocity parade.

And he has no duty to validate any claim to a faith based thinker even after you have commanded him to do so. You make your choices based on faith, not valid arguments. You didn't come to your present position by any process of validation, and you can't be budged from it with evidence or reason, either. For someone who makes decisions the way you do - faith - it is enough to offer our conclusions, which you will accept or reject according to whether or not it supports your faith based preferences. Anything more would be a waste of time. Is that not correct?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#212796 Feb 17, 2014
KiMare wrote:
You don't know my belief system.
You keep saying that like there is some missing information of any importance. What more do we need to know than that you are a faith based thinker that considers Christian scripture authoritative? What more on the subject of your belief system could possibly be of interest or value to the rest of us? Do you think we care whether you go to church, or which denomination? Do you think we care if you believe in baptism by sprinkling or immersion? Do you think we care whether you think the sabbath is Saturday or Sunday? No.

We also know more than enough about your character and disposition. Did you think you were a mystery? You're not. You answer in anger and rudely. What more does a person need to know to size you up?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#212797 Feb 17, 2014
KiMare wrote:
Even if right behavior had no reward, it hardly legitimizes it.
What? Right behavior is its own reward, and is legitimate with or without your assent.
KiMare wrote:
But only an idiot would deny that every action does not have an equal and opposite reaction. Many times, reactions that are totally unanticipated. SMile.
That was meaningless, except as another illustration of your anger and bad manners.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#212798 Feb 17, 2014
KiMare wrote:
I note that the Jewish culture exists today that is exactly what the Alien predicted.
The "Alien"? Ask your doctor if Abilify is right for you.
KiMare wrote:
I note that Jesus, when he was a nobody in a occupied country, predicted the existence of the Church, many of which bless the very community you live in.
That's low quality prophecy selected and included in the book that the people determined to make it happen cobbled together - assuming that they didn't make up the words and insert them during the cobbling process. That makes it a mundane prediction typical of any cult - not something unique - and either self-fulfilling or created after the fact.

Have you read Nostradamus? I bet you'd love it. He also generated a boatload of low quality prophesy.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#212799 Feb 17, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
You haven't established that Christians outperform atheists. You merely assume and assert it. If you aren't spending your charitable contributions directly on the intended beneficiaries, as in buying them groceries or paying their utility bills, you're probably accomplishing next to nothing except lining some scam artists pocket.
KiMare wrote:
In the very community you live in, there are countless Christian ministries that not only encourage wise living by their members, but they reach into the lives of those outside their faith and serve without recompense.
Nonsense. Your bare claim is meaningless.
KiMare wrote:
Is there ONE atheist organization in your community doing any such thing?
I don't work through organizations.

Incidentally, most charities are secular. And in my community, even the ones with religious affiliations are largely supported by unbelievers, like the local Catholic orphanage, which the church does not fund except to provide the building and three nuns. It is predominantly unbelievers volunteering there and providing funding.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
You haven't established that Christians outperform atheists. You merely assume and assert it. If you aren't spending your charitable contributions directly on the intended beneficiaries, as in buying them groceries or paying their utility bills, you're probably accomplishing next to nothing except lining some scam artists pocket. What fraction of the money given to churches do you suppose makes its way past the clergy and the cost of running those franchises? Money spent building new churches or paying the pastor's mortgage payment isn't what I call charity
KiMare wrote:
Having buildings to service those ministries and enable some to serve full time in that pursuit is a vice??? Pure ignorant, hateful bigotry.
A vice? That's your word.

Those buildings are nothing but franchises for collecting tithes, almost none of which appears to get past the priests.

And hate is your idiom, not mine. Nothing I posted was hateful.

Incidentally, I notice that you avoided my question. Good choice.

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#212800 Feb 17, 2014
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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This is the **best** you can do? A flat lie?
The very first chapter of Genesis **clearly** puts the woman as inferior to the man-- the fact that the man was created first, and the fact that the woman was created **from** the man, to be his slave, his baby-factory, is quite clear in Genesis' description.
As for the rest? You just ignored them, so I'll repeat the list.
They [christianity and islam] are functionally identical.
Both practice systematic child abuse.
Both teach that woman are both property and inferior.
Both abuse non-believers, and call out for the death of non-believers.
Both abuse people who are gay, transgender or transexual.
Both abuse systematically abuse women.
Both teach that the only way to behave, is to give up being human, and become a mind-slave to an invisible, imaginary slave-master.
Both teach that being stupid and ignorant is better than being educated and smart.
Both are leeches on any culture/society that tolerates their existence.
I see little to separate the two-- both are systematic engines of human suffering and abuse.
Very good comparisons there, Bob. They are basically the same belief system, with a geographical separation back in the old days.

The only difference is that today radical Islamists are much more militant than mainstream Xians.

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

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#212801 Feb 17, 2014
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>
Christians. First they get hit upside the head with the Establishment Clause and then they get hit with this:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
What shall the Christians do next? Prey on children?
I'm just guessing.
I'm afraid they already do, River.
:-(

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#212802 Feb 17, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
There is no reason to believe that you have any other motive than saving your soul.
KiMare wrote:
In this one exchange, you follow the same pattern of all your responses. Empty scoffing.
You've become tiresome with this defense. Of course we scoff at you and your faith. Don't make it so tempting.

And that comment was hardly empty. Nor was it scoffing. It was a simple declarative sentence that was neither derisive nor mocking.
KiMare wrote:
By your own admission, my faith is without substance..
Faith is by definition without substance. As soon as you support a faith based idea, it becomes evidence and reason based.
KiMare wrote:
Yet you judge that as the only basis for my behavior while in your previous post credit yourself as rewarded for a much lessor degree of the same behavior.
I don't know what you're saying in the last half of that sentence, but what I said is that there is no reason to believe that you have any other motive than saving your soul.
KiMare wrote:
Good behavior has it's own reward. Heaven is not the reward of works, it is a gift. This is at the essence of Christianity and yet you are ignorant of it.
Spare me. For an unbeliever, unwitnessed good behavior is its own reward. You can't expect others to believe that somebody who expects to go to heaven or hell based on his earthly activities - all of which he believes are watched, judged and tallied - doesn't consider his every action in that light. That's as unrealistic as an employee saying that doing a good job is its own reward, and that his paycheck is not the reward of working, but is a gift.

Also, next time you claim that others don't know what you believe, try to think back to the dozens of your posts like this one.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

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#212803 Feb 17, 2014
KiMare wrote:
I'm simply noting that those mythologies did not include virgin births. Some of your sites didn't even assert that claim.
You're wrong.
KiMare wrote:
I'm simply asking you to validate the first five.
I've already provided several links. Then I did the footwork for one of them, Attis: http://lmgtfy.com/...

If you need more, Google the others yourself.
KiMare wrote:
.SMirk.
Why do you continually question people scoffing at you when you make an extra effort in most posts to be repulsive? That's your purpose for adding this word, is it not?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

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#212804 Feb 17, 2014
EXPERT wrote:
Middle age Sun? You sure about that?
Yes. Why aren't you?
EXPERT wrote:
Do you know why the Sun has 98% of the mass but only 2% of angle momentum in our solar system?
Yo, "expert" - the sun comprises about 99.85% of the mass of the solar system. You have overestimated the difference from 100% by a factor of about 13.

And the sun has about 0.3% of the solar system's angular momentum. You only missed that one by a factor of about 6.
EXPERT wrote:
you are an idiot!
Welcome to the thread. You'll fit in nicely with the rest of the choir. Have you met KiMare yet?
OG Kush

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#212805 Feb 17, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>still waiting for my A7 scale, I gave you the first three notes, all you need is the next 5, come on there "expert" teach me a few things!!!! cat got yer tongue or are you completely out of your league?
How about that saxophone you lied about playing, which sax was it and how does it transpose in relation to concert pitch? Can you show me the fingering for a G Lydian scale? No..ok, I'll make it real simple, how about a C major scale, lets throw in a raised 5th.........ready......set.... GO..........What a loser!!!!
You could be kinder to "expert".

He or she is still playing in the key of R sharp which is extremely difficult. In fact few have mastered the R diminished 9th chord yet!

Are you a keyboard player?
If so you should worship Art Tatum and Oscar Peterson.
And if you have the money...
Buy a Wersi

http://m.youtube.com/watch...

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#212806 Feb 17, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>Yes. Why aren't you?

EXPERT wrote, "Do you know why the Sun has 98% of the mass but only 2% of angle momentum in our solar system? "

Yo, "expert" - the sun comprises about 99.85% of the mass of the solar system. You have overestimated the difference from 100% by a factor of about 13.

And the sun has about 0.3% of the solar system's angular momentum. You only missed that one by a factor of about 6.

EXPERT wrote, "
you are an idiot!"

Welcome to the thread. You'll fit in nicely with the rest of the choir. Have you met KiMare yet?
LOL

Hey Teddy, can I get your opinion on Sam Harris?

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#212807 Feb 17, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Hence the food kitchen my church helps operate every day, modeled in virtually every community with Churches vs the violence Islam perpetrated around the world today.
Oh, don't forget atheistic North Korea that starved the bulk of it's population today.
Idiot.
Smile.
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Lets balance your food kitchens against the spread of HIV in Africa and other undeveloped countries as religion forbids the use of condoms, thereby becoming an active cause of misery and death for millions. Lets couple that with Religion propagating the sexual abuse of children by pedophile priests. Aiding this pedophile behavior by secretly moving these predators from one place to the next, and making every attempt to squash complaints, usually by large sums of money.
BTW Atheists also run food kitchens and perform other charity work.
LOL, getting desperate aren't you?

People don't use condoms because of the Catholic Church (most Christians in Africa are not Catholic), they don't use condoms because they are atheists and don't care about abusing women or anus'.

However, your claim was violence, not sexual behavior, equating Christianity and Islam.

Waiting...

Name one atheist organization running a food kitchen in your community.

SNicker.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#212808 Feb 17, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>The examples you use are based in superstitions and Myths, the examples I use are based in science. Science that is demonstrable and evidenced based. You have NO evidence for your examples only words written in ancient texts.
Your so called "science" entails YOU freely interpreting what is contained in your bible and then through this interpretation attempting to fit it into real science. Classic example "Let there be light" interpreted as the cosmological big bang. This is not only foolish, its obviously a desperate attempt to validate your superstitious beliefs.
The Big Bang is a myth ("Let there be light" isn't in the first verse idiot)?

Life didn't begin genderless from the earth?

And once again... put up or shut up.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#212809 Feb 17, 2014
ChristINSANITY is EVIL wrote:
<quoted text>
Even one death in the name of god is too fng much to any moral individual
until YOU xians promise to love and respect atheists youre scum deserving no mercy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and...
Death is not the end of existence, it is a metamorphosis from one state to another.

Here is love spoken with truth.

You are an fool, wise up.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#212810 Feb 17, 2014
KiMare wrote:
Lost opportunity? You failed to answer my challenge of how atheists equate to the service and generosity of Christians.
<quoted text>
Get serious.
In the very community you live in, there are countless Christian ministries that not only encourage wise living by their members, but they reach into the lives of those outside their faith and serve without recompense.
Is there ONE atheist organization in your community doing any such thing?
Having buildings to service those ministries and enable some to serve full time in that pursuit is a vice??? Pure ignorant, hateful bigotry.
ChristINSANITY is EVIL wrote:
<quoted text>
BS ..churches give. Nothing to atheists...heck I pay more in taxes then all the churches combined here..
Btw I ask no one for anything...it's only lazy bums like your kristains expecting a handout..
If I had money up the wazoo like churches have Id certainly help other like many rich atheists do just
Google atheist charities and be amazed how much more they give to others as compared to your greedy priests
Fool, you avoided the challenge because atheists fail.

Then you bring up idiotic claims.

Christians help atheists all the time. Most of the people at food kitchens are atheists.

A Church is not a person, it is a non-profit organization. HOwever, the people in the Church do pay taxes like you, only more honestly with benevolence and generosity in addition. A moral person would be ashamed of judging falsely like you have.

People go to Church expecting to give. Did you go to Church? Otherwise, what are you talking about???

Give me a site for atheist giving.

Snicker.

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