Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Richardfs

Merrylands, Australia

#212501 Feb 14, 2014
EXPERT wrote:
<quoted text>
When you can develop a rational argument instead of junior high tactics you can't be taken seriously.
We all know you only can spew hate, no substance!
You really don't see the hypocrisy of that statement do you.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#212502 Feb 14, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
<quoted text>
3.14159265... doesn't hold a candle to 2.718281828...
Good grief.

Euler's Constant? The base of natural logs?

Yes, I recognized it.
Richardfs

Merrylands, Australia

#212503 Feb 14, 2014
EXPERT wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, I can see you don't do your own research just parrot others.
Just to make sure I am reading you right, you are accepting the idea that camels were not domesticated before 900bc?
Or do you want to add some caveat to this claim?
Not only will I show you where and when the saddles were discovered, I can show domestication as early as 3000bc.
So, lets see what you got skippy...
So don't tell me you researched and wrote your own bibull?

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#212504 Feb 14, 2014
River Tam wrote:
I'm partial to 192.168.1.1
I can be almost, see almost, do almost...anybody with that number. It's a trick I learned from Lucifer.
That is ancient magic.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#212506 Feb 14, 2014
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>
40 is the most important number and proves that marriage can only be between a man and woman as a man and woman have 40 fingers and toes between them.
That is if you believe that "numbers rule the world" theory.

I will agree that math is far reaching into pretty much everything, but so do fractals.

Are you familiar with numerology?

I can say that I haven't met many so-called "Christians" who are familiar with it, and I guess I could say the same with non-religious/non-believer type folks as well.3326

“LOL Really?”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#212507 Feb 14, 2014
EXPERT wrote:
<quoted text>
What subnet mask would you use to get 37 ip's?
Which 37 ip's?

255.255.ssssssssssss

The same subnet mask that I always use.

Why do you ask?

I like to use port 69 but I'm flexible.

“LOL Really?”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#212508 Feb 14, 2014
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>
That is ancient magic.
That's what makes it so cool.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#212509 Feb 14, 2014
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
I never said, or even suggested, what you are attempting to assert I presented in the links. You asked about evidence. Which is what was supplied - 4 links - that spoke about that very thing, evidence.
For instance:
New archeological evidence is throwing cold water on the biblical image of Abraham, Jacob and Joseph riding camels through the desert.
A team of Israeli archaeologists has studied the oldest-known camel bones from this ancient period and the results are in — camels reportedly started plodding around the eastern Mediterranean region centuries after the Bible tells us they did.
After analyzing the facts from radioactive-carbon dating, Erez Ben-Yosef and Lidar Sapir-Hen of Tel Aviv University claim the domesticated animal arrived on the biblical scene near the 10th century B.C. Scholars believe Abraham lived at least six centuries before that(...)
Stories about camels in the Bible “do not encapsulate memories from the second millennium,” said Noam Mizrahi, an Israeli biblical scholar,“but should be viewed as back-projections from a much later period.”
Still, stories about the Jewish patriarchs contain more than 20 references to the domesticated camel, according to The New York Times. In Genesis 24, Abraham sends his servant to find a wife for his son Isaac. The servant traveled on his master’s camels.(...)
The research suggests that camels were introduced to the region suddenly, perhaps as Egyptians traveled along the Mediterranean trade routes.
But Bible defenders claim that even though the findings challenge the ancient text’s time line, they do not detract from the overall spiritual message.
If the biblical writers are not interested in the facts, but rather in getting a message across, then people of faith can concentrate, instead of trying to verify every last item in the Bible, on what the overall message of the story is, not whether it is historically true,” said Carol Meyers, a religion professor at Duke University."
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/archaeo...
"The discovery is actually far from new. William Foxwell Albright, the leading American archeologist and biblical scholar who confirmed the authenticity of the Dead Sea Scrolls, argued in the mid-1900s that camels were an anachronism. Historian Richard Bulliet of Columbia University explored the topic in his 1975 book, The Camel and the Wheel, and concluded that “the occasional mention of camels in patriarchal narratives does not mean that the domestic camels were common in the Holy Land at that period.”
Biblical History 101 teaches that the texts themselves were often written centuries after the events they depict."
http://world.time.com/2014/02/11/the-mystery-...
That is an accurate overview of what the links presented.
Maybe you'd be better off sticking to the biblical myths, sugartits.
EX{ERT is just full of shi'ite. If you provide sources, he'll say you are just parroting others and dismiss what you say. If you don't provide sources, he'll complain about that and dismiss what you say.

You can't win with him because he is inherently dishonest.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#212510 Feb 14, 2014
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Good grief.
Euler's Constant? The base of natural logs?
Yes, I recognized it.
Among other ways of deriving it, it is the limit of Sum(0 to n) 1/n! as n goes to infinity.

Yes, the base of the natural logs, e.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#212511 Feb 14, 2014
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
That is if you believe that "numbers rule the world" theory.
I will agree that math is far reaching into pretty much everything, but so do fractals.
Are you familiar with numerology?
I can say that I haven't met many so-called "Christians" who are familiar with it, and I guess I could say the same with non-religious/non-believer type folks as well.3326
<facepalm>

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#212512 Feb 14, 2014
River Tam wrote:
Which 37 ip's?
255.255.ssssssssssss
The same subnet mask that I always use.
Why do you ask?
I like to use port 69 but I'm flexible.
I was going to become a network security specialist.

Then I went to college, and it was boring, so I dropped out.
Richardfs

Merrylands, Australia

#212513 Feb 14, 2014
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
That is if you believe that "numbers rule the world" theory.
I will agree that math is far reaching into pretty much everything, but so do fractals.
Are you familiar with numerology?
I can say that I haven't met many so-called "Christians" who are familiar with it, and I guess I could say the same with non-religious/non-believer type folks as well.3326
Equating numerology to math is the same as equating astrology to astronomy.

If I did not make myself clear numerology and astrology are pure BS.
Richardfs

Merrylands, Australia

#212514 Feb 14, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
<quoted text>
<facepalm>
Yep, and they wounder why we laugh at them.

“LOL Really?”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#212515 Feb 14, 2014
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>
I was going to become a network security specialist.
Then I went to college, and it was boring, so I dropped out.
I was going to be boring and then I was born.

I was in the dark and then this light came over me and I slapped a doctor. Three women with masks grabbed me from behind and secured me in some type of a cotton, wool blend. I was cursing them roundly but they just smiled and handed me to some lady laying in a bed. She grabbed me. Her teeth were huge. I thought I was going to be eaten. She laughed at me. My face was red with rage. She laid me next to this fleshy...nom, nom, nom....
Chevy forever

Windsor, Canada

#212520 Feb 14, 2014
EXPERT wrote:
<quoted text>
Posting a link is not evidence it is an appeal.
Didn't expect you to fight your own battle.
You're full of EXCREMENT

you must be kristINSANITIST

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#212522 Feb 14, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
IIRC, it was Solomon rather than David that can be linked to. The only archeological evidence of Davie is a stone monument mentioning a particular Judean king (who we know to be historical) being of "the House of David". While this is some indication of the historicity of David, there is also the possibility that "the House of David" was merely a title based on mythology. But, as the program pointed out, it has been a quite some time since historians and archeologists have considered the Bible to be a reliable guide.
OK.

I thought I heard them say that it was David that was the first historical figure. You say it was Solomon. Of course, Solomon was said to be David's son, so that sets the date for bible history to begin in the tenth century BCE either way.

“LOL Really?”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#212523 Feb 14, 2014
EXPERT wrote:
<quoted text>
Nevermind, you answered my question.
Well good.

What was your question?
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#212525 Feb 14, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Maybedemonstrable evidence.
Not a week goes by that our resident Atheist don’t post something about Hitler. At least a dozen times a week. Hitler is dead. He met his demise as his kingdom fell around him. Thousands of our military men and women lost their life in Europe. Most of them were Judeo/Christians as evidence of their grave memorials.

And the man who defeated Hitler as leader of the Allied forces was a Christian. Not a perfect man. As no man has been perfect. But he was a brilliant General that brought a crushing defeat to the Nazi’s.

With Eisenhower’s leadership the Nazi’s were defeated. He was a Christian and the 34 president of the United States. In fact I don’t believe America has ever had a President that didn’t believe in God.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#212526 Feb 14, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
IIRC, it was Solomon rather than David that can be linked to. The only archeological evidence of Davie is a stone monument mentioning a particular Judean king (who we know to be historical) being of "the House of David". While this is some indication of the historicity of David, there is also the possibility that "the House of David" was merely a title based on mythology. But, as the program pointed out, it has been a quite some time since historians and archeologists have considered the Bible to be a reliable guide.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
OK.
I thought I heard them say that it was David that was the first historical figure. You say it was Solomon. Of course, Solomon was said to be David's son, so that sets the date for bible history to begin in the tenth century BCE either way.
There several more pieces of evidence for King David, but the latest is they think they have found his palace or castle what ever. It isn't the existence of David that has been in question, it is the acts and importance as well as the true power of him as a King that has been in question. It is thought all of those things were greatly exaggerated and some outright fictitious. Hence King David was a minor player and had no real power in the world.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/07/...

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#212527 Feb 14, 2014
Tide with Beach wrote:
I remember being "saved" several times. I kept trying because I wasn't getting any feedback. I realize now that I wasn't a very good Christian. I was able to suspend disbelief for a few minutes at a time, but for the most part I was just going along to get along.
I suspended disbelief for about seven years continuously. It wasn't hard. It's just a decision to reserve final final judgment - to be willing to accept something provisionally despite any cognitive dissonance with the understanding that the cognitive dissonance might wane over time if there is such a thing as acquired spiritual discernment, and to give that a chance to mature before deciding.

But the years passed, and that never happened. In fact, my questions and doubts were greater by the end than at first.

I think my experience may have been atypical because I came to the religion at about nineteen, after time both at university and in the military. That's got to be different than beginning at four or six years old with no skill in critical thinking.

I'm grateful for the experience. My understanding of theism and atheism each have a firmer foundation because of it.

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