Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Read more

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#212243 Feb 13, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
Yeah, when I was still to be counted a Christian, the Xmas thing was one they really ranted about. Leaving the Christ out of Christmas. BUT...from early Christian times, X was a symbol for Christ, a version of the cross. Early Christians would have considered Xmas and Xtian as perfectly acceptable terminology. But Christians have always had a persecution complex, and they absolutely LOVE to gripe about how downtrodden they are. This is just one more aspect of their faux outrage.
X is also the Greek chi, which stands for christos - annointed - in the acronym IChThYS, short for Iesous Christos, Theou Yios, Soter (Jesus Christ, God's Son, Savior).

I'm sure that you also know that ichthys is the Koine Greek word for fish and the basis of the fish symbol seen on bumper stickers.

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#212244 Feb 13, 2014
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> 1) Spiritual things , which science has limited understanding, should not be insinuated as majic. There is no abra cadabra. 2) Ok, but as the story goes, God created man and has made a prescription for his behavior. Righteousness according to him.
What we have here is an active case of ad ignorantiam causing cognitive dissonance. Don't sprain your last brain cell there Bongo.

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#212245 Feb 13, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
The system that put such ideas in your head can't disappear from the world soon enough. A man who speaks like you do has nothing to say to decent people.

It maybe in fact, Archie Bunker you're talking to there IANS.

“I want three words:”

Since: Dec 12

"Woman. Atheist. Anarchist."

#212246 Feb 13, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Have you seen the list of deaths inflicted or ordered by Yahweh? Here's part of it:

http://commonsenseatheism.com/...

[1] God drowns the whole earth. In Genesis 7:21-23, God drowns the entire population of the earth: men, women, children, fetuses, and perhaps unicorns. Only a single family survives. In Matthew 24:37-42, gentle Jesus approves of this genocide and plans to repeat it when he returns.

[2] God incinerates 51 men to make a point. In 2 Kings 1:9-10, Elijah gets God to burn 51 men with fire from heaven to prove he is God.

[3] God slaughters all Egyptian firstborn. In Exodus 12:29, God the baby-killer slaughters all Egyptian firstborn children and cattle because their king was stubborn.

[4] God kills 14,000 people for complaining that God keeps killing them. In Numbers 16:41-49, the Israelites complain that God is killing too many of them. So, God sends a plague that kills 14,000 more of them.

[5] God helps Samson kill 30 men because he lost a bet. In Judges 14:11-19, Samson loses a bet for 30 sets of clothes. The spirit of God comes upon him and he kills 30 men to steal their clothes and pay off the debt.

[6] God kills 50,000 people for curiosity. In 1 Samuel 6:19, God kills 50,000 men for peeking into the ark of the covenant.(Newer cosmetic translations count only 70 deaths, but their text notes admit that the best and earliest manuscripts put the number at 50,070.)

[7] 3,000 Israelites killed for inventing a god. In Exodus 32, Moses has climbed Mount Sinai to get the Ten Commandments. The Israelites are bored, so they invent a golden calf god. Moses comes back and God commands him:“Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.” About 3,000 people died.

[8] The Amorites destroyed by sword and by God’s rocks. In Joshua 10:10-11, God helps the Israelites slaughter the Amorites by sword, then finishes them off with rocks from the sky.

[9] God burns two cities to death. In Genesis 19:24, God kills everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah with fire from the sky. Then God kills Lot’s wife for looking back at her burning home.

[10] God has 42 children mauled by bears. In 2 Kings 2:23-24, some kids tease the prophet Elisha, and God sends bears to dismember them.

The god of the bible goes on to command:

• KILL anyone who wears mixed fabrics.
• KILL any child that disrespects its parents
• KILL anyone who works on Saturday
• KILL anyone who eats meat AND cheese together
• KILL anyone who swears by god
• KILL any man who goes into the temple after having sex with a woman who is on her •

More?

• "Show No Mercy!" Deut 7:2
• "March to War!" Numbers 32:20
• "Ethnic cleanse!" Deut. 20:15
• "Commit genocide!" Joshua 10:20
• "Enslave!" Lev. 25:44
• "Beat to death!" Ex. 21:20
• "Kill women and chilldren!" Numbers 31:17, 1 Samuel 15:3
• "Kill all prisoners!" Deut 7:2
• "Destroy!" Deut. 7:16
• "Annihilate!" Deut. 17:29
• "Slaughter!" Deut. 13:15, Joshua 8:24
• "Burn!" Deut. 13:15
• "Torture!" Lev. 24:23, Numbers 5:11
• "Massacre!" Numbers 21:2
• "Exterminate!" Deut 2:34, Deut 3:3
• "Crush!" Deut. 33:29
• "Kill!" Joshua 9:24
• "Destroy!" Deut 31:4
• "Smite!" Esther 9:5
• "Slash!" Judges 15:8
• "Burn!" joshua 6:24
• "Kill!" Joshua 10:10
• "Kill!" Judges 11:33
• "Kill!" Deut 9:3
• "Loot!" Deut. 20:10
• "Plunder!" Numbers 31:9, Deut 2:35
• "Rape!" Numbers 31:18, Deut. 21:10, Judges 21:11
• "Pillage!" 1 Samuel 23:5
• "Kill!" Deut 9:3
• "Kill!" Deut 20:15
• "Kill!" Judges 21:11

How different would the universe be under the rule of a psychopath like Hitler?
Yeah! Controlling humans is awesome!

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“I want three words:”

Since: Dec 12

"Woman. Atheist. Anarchist."

#212247 Feb 13, 2014
@@ = Luci rolling her eyes. Profusely.
Bongo

Medford, NY

#212248 Feb 13, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Have you seen the list of deaths inflicted or ordered by Yahweh? Here's part of it:
http://commonsenseatheism.com/...
[1] God drowns the whole earth. In Genesis 7:21-23, God drowns the entire population of the earth: men, women, children, fetuses, and perhaps unicorns. Only a single family survives. In Matthew 24:37-42, gentle Jesus approves of this genocide and plans to repeat it when he returns.
[2] God incinerates 51 men to make a point. In 2 Kings 1:9-10, Elijah gets God to burn 51 men with fire from heaven to prove he is God.
[3] God slaughters all Egyptian firstborn. In Exodus 12:29, God the baby-killer slaughters all Egyptian firstborn children and cattle because their king was stubborn.
[4] God kills 14,000 people for complaining that God keeps killing them. In Numbers 16:41-49, the Israelites complain that God is killing too many of them. So, God sends a plague that kills 14,000 more of them.
[5] God helps Samson kill 30 men because he lost a bet. In Judges 14:11-19, Samson loses a bet for 30 sets of clothes. The spirit of God comes upon him and he kills 30 men to steal their clothes and pay off the debt.
[6] God kills 50,000 people for curiosity. In 1 Samuel 6:19, God kills 50,000 men for peeking into the ark of the covenant.(Newer cosmetic translations count only 70 deaths, but their text notes admit that the best and earliest manuscripts put the number at 50,070.)
[7] 3,000 Israelites killed for inventing a god. In Exodus 32, Moses has climbed Mount Sinai to get the Ten Commandments. The Israelites are bored, so they invent a golden calf god. Moses comes back and God commands him:Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor. About 3,000 people died.
[8] The Amorites destroyed by sword and by Gods rocks. In Joshua 10:10-11, God helps the Israelites slaughter the Amorites by sword, then finishes them off with rocks from the sky.
[9] God burns two cities to death. In Genesis 19:24, God kills everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah with fire from the sky. Then God kills Lots wife for looking back at her burning home.
[10] God has 42 children mauled by bears. In 2 Kings 2:23-24, some kids tease the prophet Elisha, and God sends bears to dismember them.
The god of the bible goes on to command:
KILL anyone who wears mixed fabrics.
KILL any child that disrespects its parents
KILL anyone who works on Saturday
KILL anyone who eats meat AND cheese together
KILL anyone who swears by god
KILL any man who goes into the temple after having sex with a woman who is on her
More?
"Show No Mercy!" Deut 7:2
"March to War!" Numbers 32:20
"Ethnic cleanse!" Deut. 20:15
"Commit genocide!" Joshua 10:20
"Enslave!" Lev. 25:44
"Beat to death!" Ex. 21:20
"Kill women and chilldren!" Numbers 31:17, 1 Samuel 15:3
"Kill all prisoners!" Deut 7:2
"Destroy!" Deut. 7:16
"Annihilate!" Deut. 17:29
"Slaughter!" Deut. 13:15, Joshua 8:24
"Burn!" Deut. 13:15
"Torture!" Lev. 24:23, Numbers 5:11
"Massacre!" Numbers 21:2
"Exterminate!" Deut 2:34, Deut 3:3
"Crush!" Deut. 33:29
"Kill!" Joshua 9:24
"Destroy!" Deut 31:4
"Smite!" Esther 9:5
"Slash!" Judges 15:8
"Burn!" joshua 6:24
"Kill!" Joshua 10:10
"Kill!" Judges 11:33
"Kill!" Deut 9:3
"Loot!" Deut. 20:10
"Plunder!" Numbers 31:9, Deut 2:35
"Rape!" Numbers 31:18, Deut. 21:10, Judges 21:11
"Pillage!" 1 Samuel 23:5
"Kill!" Deut 9:3
"Kill!" Deut 20:15
"Kill!" Judges 21:11
How different would the universe be under the rule of a psychopath like Hitler?
Sometimes you have to trim the heard, for good reason. Just like when those scientists killed that healthy giraffe the other day.
Bongo

Medford, NY

#212249 Feb 13, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
Are you talking about the Catholic priesthood?
Nice non sequitur. Buck cogently explained the math about that . If its some consolation, in contrast to other injustices in the world, that church paid out billions even to those who took thirty years to make a claim. Catcher would let a client sign a paper saying he was made whole.

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Since: Dec 10

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#212250 Feb 13, 2014
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> Sometimes you have to trim the heard, for good reason. Just like when those scientists killed that healthy giraffe the other day.
Trim the heard?
In your case trimming the heard would be scrolling past your post.
Bongo

Medford, NY

#212251 Feb 13, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>

<quoted text>
Are you talking about the Catholic priesthood?
Im offering no defense for the catholics but I am suprised at that prejudiced atheist indignation that majors on a few hundred kids violated by a few priests yet does not seem to consider millions starving to death and subject to poverty, and drug and alcohol abusing parents, to name just a few maladies. Religion with all its problems is a better way.
Bongo

Medford, NY

#212252 Feb 13, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
Trim the heard?
In your case trimming the heard would be scrolling past your post.
Majoring in the minors again, little man?

Since: May 10

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#212253 Feb 13, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
Good, so glad you ancestors had the foresight and clairvoyance to p|ss off so you could be born across the Atlantic and not here
Yes the puritans moved over the water so they could be free to impose their religion on all by force, threat and violence if required. It seems that your ancestors did a good job.
Ahh but China and India beats you on population numbers, China is catching up and due to overtake you on finance. Europe beats you on humanity and human rights. Oh yes and the African nations have been electing Black presidents for a long time so no need to get you nickers in a twist. Tell me have you had any female presidents yet? Honey you want to hype up the US with propaganda then you need to understand the state of the world before sticking your foot in your mouth.
Perhaps you are correct that in the US man in inhumane, not so much in Europe. I do not ridicule any god thats just your own insecurity. What is the point of ridiculing a myth?
The threats to this world at the moment originate from/because of the 3 abrahamic religions, The Hebrews are determined to massacre the Palestinians and hence begin a war with Islam and Islam is determined to see their religions grow by wiping the christian aggressor off the map. So is seems that without the three abrahamic religions this world would be a safer place to live.
Ahh so you agree that while freeing his few chosen people your god carried out the first genocide, murdered tens of thousands of children and condoned rape and slavery?
He advised that the people his chosen few captured should be either murdered or kept as sex slaves and raped at will. Its written in the babble so you cant deny it.
Funny your wet dreams about Hitler because he has never been excommunicated and what he did he did with full knowledge and agreement of the Vatican/ As far as the head of the biggest christian church in the world was concern then he was still a good christian. It is not your decision who is or is not christian
Now you are being foolish, Hitlers father was Jewish, the Hebrew people consider Satan to be a personal metaphor, the yetzer hara that tempts us to do wrong and metaphors do not sire children.
And still you have not seen the decency to respond to the original statement that Not one addiction clinic in the UK is affiliated to any church. Why is this, could it be that it shows you were wrong?
Hitler has never been kicked out of the Moose Lodge, either.

So Hitler is a moose. He has antlers.

Great reasoning again, Chris Stalin.

I don't know your income status, but you could make good money as a consultant to people who want to sound stupid.

Oh, by the way. Europe doesn't piss without asking our permission.

Since: Apr 09

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#212254 Feb 13, 2014
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> Sometimes you have to trim the heard, for good reason. Just like when those scientists killed that healthy giraffe the other day.
I believe that's what Hitler felt...
Richardfs

Saint Marys, Australia

#212255 Feb 13, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Hitler has never been kicked out of the Moose Lodge, either.
So Hitler is a moose. He has antlers.
Great reasoning again, Chris Stalin.
I don't know your income status, but you could make good money as a consultant to people who want to sound stupid.
Oh, by the way. Europe doesn't piss without asking our permission.
Based on your logic (and typing than made me LOL) he was an islamic communist!!

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#212256 Feb 13, 2014

Since: May 10

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#212257 Feb 13, 2014
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>
Based on your logic (and typing than made me LOL) he was an islamic communist!!
No. My logic only says that his Christian upbringing and his name on a membership role does not make him anything.

It's solid logic. Especially coupled with the documentation proving he hated christianity and had plans in place to eradicate it from Germany.

You might want to check your own typing, Richard fuckstick.
Richardfs

Saint Marys, Australia

#212258 Feb 13, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
No. My logic only says that his Christian upbringing and his name on a membership role does not make him anything.
It's solid logic. Especially coupled with the documentation proving he hated christianity and had plans in place to eradicate it from Germany.
You might want to check your own typing, Richard fuckstick.
So he wasn't a NAZI.

ps. We all make typos.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#212259 Feb 13, 2014
Divinity Surgeon wrote:
Maybe if their church didn't kill and abuse so many, someone might care or even believe they're downtrodden.
There is no reason to have feelings for a church - just its victims, which includes its adherents. If some people are feeling a bit beleaguered defending the church, that is by choice. We expect them to consider our arguments, reconsider their own choices, and make rational and compassionate ones in place of simply accepting ideas on faith. If they can't or won't do so, then they'll just have to accept the scorn of those of us who have.

I do empathize with them. They probably got to where they are with no malice, and in obedience to people and ideas that they trusted. But they'll have to take that up with those people. We have to concern ourselves with societal health and the victims of the church, not the plight of people caught in the crossfire of a transforming cultural paradigm, who, as I alluded, are also its victims - albeit willing ones.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#212260 Feb 13, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>And high school dropouts outnumber people with doctorate degrees. Did you have a point?
They're gonna beat us up?

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#212261 Feb 13, 2014
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> 1) Spiritual things , which science has limited understanding, should not be insinuated as majic. There is no abra cadabra. 2) Ok, but as the story goes, God created man and has made a prescription for his behavior. Righteousness according to him.
.. it seems you're confusing magic, mysticism and spirituality ..

.. magic is the use of different techniques, including rituals and tricks, to accomplish a given result. In religion, baptismal and the Eucharist would be considered magic, abracadabra, a person is saved from hell ..

.. if anything, Jesus was a mystic; He combined magic and spirituality ..

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#212262 Feb 13, 2014
KiMare wrote:
I equated specific points of the Creation story to science.
blacklagoon wrote:
No you DIDN'T equate specific points of the creation story to science, you re-interpreted them so you could get them to align with science. This is not only extremely dishonest and desperate, it's down right stupid. Point of fact, the order of creation stated in Genesis does not even come close to the order that science shows us to be true.
But if you think that you need to try to steal the glorious achievements of science to validate your mythology despite the fact that their accounts of the history of the universe have unbelievably little in common, or to offer prophecies of the quality of Chinese fortune cookies as evidence of a supernatural provenance for it - if these are your best arguments - then what you are actually saying is that you have nothing at all.

Notice his tacit admission that the science is correct. He is hoping to make his mythology appear to conform to it.

But that's a pretty tough job considering how little the biblical creation myth resembles the scientific account. Each contains many, many ideas, with almost no overlap. He came up with the universe and life having a beginning, like every other creation myth, but absolutely nothing else. There is no other idea in either account that can be found in the other.

Regarding the advent of human life, he claimed that his bible anticipated that mankind is made from "dirt." But that is not the scientific account. Our composition resembles the oceans in which our ancient ancestors evolve more. His bible would have done better if it claimed that his god had fashioned us from the sea with its water, ions, and organic molecules. I'll bet one of the other myths got that part right, which would make it twice as prophetic as the Genesis myth.

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