Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#212407 Feb 14, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>Yes we can. And we have.
And I bet you've found it everywhere, right?

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Fennario

#212408 Feb 14, 2014
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Same goes for Moses-- as close to certain he's myth as anything in history.
According to the NOVA special Darwins Stepchild linked us to, David is the earliest biblical character that can be said to have been a historical character. Adam and Eve, Cain and Abel, Noah, Shem, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Esau, Joseph and his brothers, Job. Jonah, Lot, Moses, Joshua - none of these people is known to have actually existed, and none of the myths surrounding them is known to have actually occurred including the Exodus and the siege of Canaan.

But starting about 1000 BCE with David and Solomon, real people are known to have been kings over a real nation, even if not every story about them is authentic.

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#212409 Feb 14, 2014
blimp wrote:
I can't find any physical proof that God is not real..
It's with the proof that Santa isn't real.

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#212410 Feb 14, 2014
macumazahn wrote:
That whole 40-years-in-the-desert tale is ludicrous on its face.
The damn' Sinai is only about 150 miles across, and a desert-dwelling people couldn't figure out to keep Polaris on their left? Walk towards the sunset?(It makes sense to travel at night in the desert.)
I don't know why they couldn't just follow a star to Bethlehem. It takes only one night from Persia if you don't stop.

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#212411 Feb 14, 2014
Bongo wrote:
Everyone is subject to or capable of bad actions, it does not change the standard God has for people. Religion with all its problems is a better way.
Why? What fraction follow your god's standards? The better way is the one with the better values better manifest. Humanism has higher standards, and humanists approximate them better. Look at the participants of this thread. Most of us actually get pretty close to the Golden Rule. I'd say that you do best among the Christians posting, but you're pretty much alone.

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#212412 Feb 14, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
According to the NOVA special Darwins Stepchild linked us to, David is the earliest biblical character that can be said to have been a historical character. Adam and Eve, Cain and Abel, Noah, Shem, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Esau, Joseph and his brothers, Job. Jonah, Lot, Moses, Joshua - none of these people is known to have actually existed, and none of the myths surrounding them is known to have actually occurred including the Exodus and the siege of Canaan.
But starting about 1000 BCE with David and Solomon, real people are known to have been kings over a real nation, even if not every story about them is authentic.
IIRC, it was Solomon rather than David that can be linked to. The only archeological evidence of Davie is a stone monument mentioning a particular Judean king (who we know to be historical) being of "the House of David". While this is some indication of the historicity of David, there is also the possibility that "the House of David" was merely a title based on mythology.

But, as the program pointed out, it has been a quite some time since historians and archeologists have considered the Bible to be a reliable guide.

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#212413 Feb 14, 2014
Why would a lack of a belief require faith (or anything?)- dumb topix question.

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Fennario

#212414 Feb 14, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
Any charitable giving that reduces income taxes paid to this government is a good deed. Even if we just make it up and deduct it. I consider that a morally pure act.
If the government served all of its citizens, I would disagree. But given how it actually uses tax dollars - so much on foreign wars, farm subsidies, the War on Drugs, clandestine operations, spying on citizens, bank bailouts, and servicing the debt run up on similar spending in the past - I would tend to agree.

Of course, I doubt that any of those are your reasons. My guess is that you either object to taxation however it is spent, or object to it being spent on things like public health care. Is that correct?

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#212415 Feb 14, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
I enjoy the desert with coffee and a cigar, right after the main course.
That would be "dessert".

But you knew that. You just pretended not to.

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#212416 Feb 14, 2014
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>That whole 40-years-in-the-desert tale is ludicrous on its face.
The damn' Sinai is only about 150 miles across, and a desert-dwelling people couldn't figure out to keep Polaris on their left? Walk towards the sunset?
(It makes sense to travel at night in the desert.)
The number 40 - what Numerology has to say about the symbolism:

Properties of the number 40

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Symbolism
According to the Bible, it is the number of the waiting, the preparation, the test or the punishment. Also the Bible often resorts to the number 40 when starts a new chapter of the history of the salvation. On the other hand, forty would indicate the duration of a generation or a long period, whose we ignore the exact length.

Symbolize the death with oneself and the spiritual rebirth.

According to R. Allendy, "it is the achievement of a cycle in the world, or rather the rhythm of the cyclic repetitions in the Universe".

According to saint Augustin, forty expresses the perfection "because the Law was given in ten commandments, then it is through the whole world that the Law has been preached, and the whole world is composed of four parts, Orient and Occident, South and North; therefore, by multiplying ten by four, we obtain forty. Or well, it is by the four books of the Gospel that the Law is accomplished."

Represent the man incorporated in the Universe and combatting the prince of the disorder, according to Claude of Saint Martin.

Represent the complete and sufficient period to finish a work, according to Lacuria.

Represent the eternal hell, according to J. Boehme, because it is the constraint with the cycles of the incarnation whose form does not change.

Symbol of penance, but these 7 aliquot parts - 1, 2, 4, 5, 8, 10, 20 - generate for our joy the number 50 in which the inheritance returns to the antique owner, in which, if we make penitence as it is appropriate, the ancient dignity is rendered to us with an increase. According to Thibaut Of Langres, it is for this reason that it is sung the psalm 50 "Miseree" for the remission of sins.

It corresponds to the thirteenth Hebraic letter, mem, and to the Arcane 13 of the Tarot: the Death, marking the completion of a stage.

http://www.ridingthebeast.com/numbers/nu40.ph...

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#212417 Feb 14, 2014
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Properties of the number 40

Bible
Forty days after the birth, Jesus was presented to the Temple of Jerusalem for his legal purification, according to the established law.

The 40 days of fast of Jesus in the desert.(Mt 4,2)

Forty days separate the Ascension of Jesus of his Resurrection.(Act 1,3)

The Flood of Noah lasted 40 days.(Gn 7,4)

Elijah walked 40 days and 40 nights before to reach the Horeb mount. He fasted during 40 days before to begin his public ministry and he remained 40 days on the Carmel mount.(1 K 19,8)

The priest Eli had been judge of Israel for 40 years.(1 S 4,18)

Moses was 40 years old when he was called by God and that he killed an Egyptian, and escaped in the desert of Midian. He kept the herd of Jethro during 40 years. He resided finally 40 days and 40 nights to the summit of the mount Sinai before to receive the Tables of the Law.(Ex 24,18)

During 40 day Goliath defied David.

The children of Israel lived during 40 years in the constraint with the Philistines.(Jg 13, 1)

The Hebrews wandered 40 years in the desert.(Nb 32,13)

The reign of Joash lasted 40 years in Jerusalem.(2 Ch 24,1)

The people of Nineveh had to repent during 40 days.(Jon 3,4)

Isaac was 40 years old when he married Rebekah.(Gn 25,20)

The embalming of Jacob was prolonged during 40 days.(Gn 50,3)

The reign of David on Israel lasted 40 years, just as the reign of Solomon in Jerusalem.(1 K 2,11 and 11,42; 2 Ch 9,30)

Ezekiel supported the iniquity of the house of Juda during 40 days.

The 40 emissaries of Canaan.

The 40 years of repentance of Adam after his corrupt practice.

Forty is the number of chapters of the book of the Exodus of the Old Testament.

http://www.ridingthebeast.com/numbers/nu40.ph...

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#212418 Feb 14, 2014
<<continued>>

Properties of the Number 40

General
Jesus preached for 40 month.

Saint John takes care 40 hours near to the body of the Very Holy Virgin Mary before her Assumption to the Sky.

It is 40 years after the crucifixion of the Jesus Christ that Jerusalem was taken by the Romans and that the Temple was destroyed.

The body of Jesus remained 40 hours in the sepulchre.

Jesus received 40 blows of whip during his whipping, according to visions of Maria Valtorta. However, according to visions of Mary Agreda, Jesus would have received 5115 blows of whip!

The 40 days of the Lent before Easter.

Number of years that no man and no beast would have crossed Egypt, according to an old prophecy.

According to the book of secrets of Enoch, the four rivers of the terrestrial Paradise are subdivided by forty and surround all the Earth.

The stigmatized Martha Robin was fed only the Eucharist during 40 years.

The 40 days of fast that Buddha made to the desert before to exert his apostolate.

It is to 40 years that Buddha and Mahomet would have begun their preaching.

According to the Egyptians, it is the number of days necessary in order that the soul becomes definitively delivered of his body. Indeed, following the death of the physical body, the etheric body spends globally 40 days to be dissolved in the universe. As long as it is not fully dissolved and that particles which constitute it did not join the various elements of the nature, the conscience of the defunct will remain linked, more or less closely, to the terrestrial world in which he evolved. This is why a religious ceremony is celebrated 40 days after a death in some traditions in order to facilitate the definitive liberation of the conscience of the being with his habits and his material fasteners. It should however not confuse with what it is called the etheric energy which it is totally extracted of the body after the three days following the death.

According to the Gospel of Barnabas, chapter 54, at the end of the world, there will be 40 darkness years on the world, after what, God will give the life to his Messenger, as well as to his angels and all the elect.

For Islam, the number 40 occupies an important place: the 40 companions, the 40 perfect; the universe is supported by 40 pillars; the 40 supports of the dome of the Mosque of Omar in Jerusalem; And at the Means-Age the Muslems were made depilate the armpits every 40 days.

In some savage tribes, after the circumcision, the males had to withdraw themselves in the bush for a period of solitude of 40 days at the end of which they could then return to the village.

There had 40 mourning nights in the mysteries of Persephon and 40 days of sacrifices in the greeting of Mithra.

Philip-August and Saint-Louis enforce the regulation "Forty-the-Roy", period of 40 days where it was forbidden to any Lord to attack the nearest relatives of the offender.

Birthday of person in Japan: beginning of the old age - shoro.

Anniversary of marriage: weddings of ruby.

Occurrence
The number 40 is used 98 times in the Bible.

The number 1 under its cardinal form is used 40 times in the Gospel of saint John.

The number 40 is used 5 times in the Koran.(Koran II,48, V,29, VII,137, X,17 and XLVI,14)

The term "city of David", designating Jerusalem, appears 40 times in the OT. The verb to adore is used 40 times in the NT and the verb to disavow, 40 times in the Bible.

http://www.ridingthebeast.com/numbers/nu40.ph...

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#212419 Feb 14, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know why they couldn't just follow a star to Bethlehem. It takes only one night from Persia if you don't stop.
I'm old and slow. I coulda made it in a week or so.

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#212420 Feb 14, 2014
Numerology is quite a interesting "science", as it is heavily used in Kaballistic astrology and other mystic arts.

FYI - another number within Judaism and Christianity and Islam is the number 72 - which also has its own significance and "importance".

http://www.ridingthebeast.com/numbers/nu72.ph...

...shoot 72 virgins are waiting for the Islam terrorist who kills himself.

I wonder if this person is aware there may be some virgin men included!!

:o)

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#212421 Feb 14, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Great post, and a wonderful perspective on how religion, at least in this case, is more harmful than comforting. The fact that these people, maybe even the young girl, believe that God can peer into your most private thoughts and condemn you if they don't align with his laws, has got to be unsettling as best, horrifying at worst. Religion really does poison the mind. Such a sad situation made worse by religious beliefs.
Thanks.

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#212422 Feb 14, 2014
Bongo wrote:
This easy forgiveness concept you talk about is not as easy as you describe.
To your knowledge, has Jesus ever turned anybody down that prayed for forgiveness? I've never heard anybody report that he said "No." How much easier does it get than that?.

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#212423 Feb 14, 2014
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
Numerology is quite a interesting "science", as it is heavily used in Kaballistic astrology and other mystic arts.
FYI - another number within Judaism and Christianity and Islam is the number 72 - which also has its own significance and "importance".
http://www.ridingthebeast.com/numbers/nu72.ph...
...shoot 72 virgins are waiting for the Islam terrorist who kills himself.
I wonder if this person is aware there may be some virgin men included!!
:o)
Numerology now???

<headdesk>

The only number that has importance is 42. After all, it is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe and everything.

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#212424 Feb 14, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
<quoted text>
Numerology now???
<headdesk>
The only number that has importance is 42. After all, it is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe and everything.
Yeah - I did post a couple of posts relating to Numerology - what do you know about it?

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#212426 Feb 14, 2014
Six_Of_One wrote:
Why would a lack of a belief require faith (or anything?)- dumb topix question.
Of course it doesn't.

You might think that people who trust and value faith, who think that it is a superior methodology, would claim it only for themselves, and point to the absence of it within atheism. What we're seeing more and more, is faith based thinkers accusing atheists of having faith as a way of insulting us, or bringing us down to their level.

Welcome to this dumb topix thread. I think this one is one of the better ones.

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#212427 Feb 14, 2014
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Where is your head at, Quaalude Bob?
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Moses never existed.

Neither did Abraham, nor any of the other fictional bible characters.

You can be as hate-filled and bigoted as you like: it's literally what identifies your "love" of your fellow human.

But it won't magically make your fairy tale become real.

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