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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#211932 Feb 10, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
..........according to little ole you.
In your small world between the back of your head and the front of your eyes.
It's a world of laughter
A world of tears
It's a world of hopes
And a world of fears
There's so much that we share
That it's time we're aware
It's a small world after all
It's a small world after all
It's a small world after all
It's a small world after all
It's a small, small world
There is just one moon
And one golden sun
And a smile means
Friendship to every one
Though the mountains divide
And the oceans are wide
It's a small world after all
It's a small world after all
It's a small world after all
It's a small world after all
It's a small, small world
Correct, it's a small world for people who believe without evidence, and shun reliable demonstrable evidence. It's a SMALL world filled with mythical beings and magical places, were the laws of nature mean nothing, it's a very small world compared to the world that actually exists, were everything is real and can be explained, were there are limitless possibilities thanks to science. Yes you are correct, you live in a very small shallow world.
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#211933 Feb 10, 2014
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>
You must member this the person who thinks:-
1. Noah's flood was real.
2. Seven people half of whom were related to each other repopulated the world without using insect because in those days there was no law against incest.
3. The best part of 1 million people wandered though a desert for 40 years and carried all their rubbish (including their dead).
Thinking is not one of his fortes.
Nor is reason, logic and the most vital trait of all, skepticism.

He believes all of this without question, yet rejects scientific evidence that confirms the facts of evolution. A poisoned mind for certain.

“Seventh son”

Since: Dec 10

Will Prevail

#211934 Feb 10, 2014
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>
You must member this the person who thinks:-
1. Noah's flood was real.
2. Seven people half of whom were related to each other repopulated the world without using insect because in those days there was no law against incest.
3. The best part of 1 million people wandered though a desert for 40 years and carried all their rubbish (including their dead).
Thinking is not one of his fortes.
Then again his family may have reproduced with insects.:)

“You Can't Throw MeTo TheWolves”

Since: May 10

THEY COME WHEN I CALL

#211935 Feb 10, 2014
KiMare wrote:
KiMare wrote:
You falsely deny that the Bible contains numerous profound things,
A nobody in a subjected country, rejected by his own people, predicted the birth of Christianity. You pretend that is of no account, DESPITE THE FACT THAT CHRISTIANS SIGNIFICANTLY OUTNUMBER ATHEISTS!
Actually, the fact is that non-christians significantly outnumber you christians.

The rest of your post was delusional bullshit.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#211936 Feb 10, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>So we are basing present day definitions on ancient Greek texts? Who knew!!
You might note that I did not say that the modern definition of virgin = unmarried girl.

I merely pointed out that the ancient Greek word that is sometimes translated as "virgin" by many Christians actually meant "unmarried girl".

If there is a translation problem, I believe it lies with the Christians.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#211937 Feb 10, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Magic is based on trickery and or the occult.
I don’t believe in magic but I do believe in miracles since I have actually witnessed miracles.
Magic = doing things that defy the laws of physics.

Miracle = doing things that defy the laws of physics.

Believing in miracles IS believing in magic.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#211938 Feb 10, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Just for sh*ts and grins, ask him to explain “Virginia State.”
Well, let's see...Virginia was named for the Virgin Queen of England, Elizabeth I, who was called that because she was unmarried. And she almost certainly wasn't virgin. So even 17th century English seems to have been somewhat confused on the subject.
Richardfs

Saint Marys, Australia

#211939 Feb 10, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, let's see...Virginia was named for the Virgin Queen of England, Elizabeth I, who was called that because she was unmarried. And she almost certainly wasn't virgin. So even 17th century English seems to have been somewhat confused on the subject.
All of which goes to show the meaning of words change with time, consider pot, grass, ice and gay.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#211940 Feb 11, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Arguments from popularity are really quite stupid, most people on this planet believed the world to be flat at one time. Guess what? They were ALL WRONG. I can get just as many that disagree with your group, so in the end how do we determine who is right? Thats right, supporting demonstrable evidence.
You consider faith as value when faith is gullibility. You require "Faith" because you have no evidence for your belief. Fait is NOT a pathway to truth.
Are you implying that without religion you could not or would not devote your time and resources ti serve the world? Can you name on action done by Theists that can't be done by any secular group, including Atheists?
Atheists can offer any value that Theists can offer, there are many Atheists organizations that do charity work and serve their fellow man.
You have NO good reason to believe as you do, you believe because it simply makes you feel all warm and fuzzy.
I wasn't the one that brought up 'popularity'.

These are not people who believe the world is flat or 6000 years old. The find no conflict between what they understand about the Bible and what science knows.

On the other hand, atheists just caught up with the very first verse of the Bible, finally embracing the Big Bang theory.

ONE Church does more than all the atheists of that community. There is no equating.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#211941 Feb 11, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>So in the case of the Virgin Mary, all of the laws of nature were suspended? Don't you find it a bit curious that she never mentioned the experience to anyone?
You have a story told in an ancient book about an event that medical science says is basically impossible, there is no explanation other than the term immaculate conception, a purely religious term, meaning virtually nothing. And this you believe, simply because of a story in your holy book, no evidence, just a story. Yet you refuse to believe in something for which there are mountains of scientific data, physical evidence, a process that can be witnessed, and for which the most reliable of all sources, DNA point to the irrefutable facts of evolution. Sigh..........such is the poison that religion brings to mankind!!!
Virgin Nativity
Isaiah 7:11, 14 (NLT)“Ask the Lord your God for a sign of confirmation... Make it as difficult as you want—as high as heaven or as deep as the place of the dead.” Wow! What a challenge! Do you want confirmation about something? Ask for any sign you can imagine. But the offer is deferred. So God takes up His own challenge; Isaiah 7:14 ...the Lord himself will give you the sign. Look! The virgin will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son and will call him Immanuel (which means ‘God is with us’). For thousands of years Jews have pondered the challenge avoided by Ahaz, but forced by God. A sign 'as high as heaven or as deep as hell'. A pregnant virgin? Everyone knew that was silly impossible. For thousands of years. Of course there have always been girls who could not understand how their pregnancy occurred. And yes, there have been myths about sex with gods. But never did pregnancy and virginity go together in any of these incidents. Sensible people knew. Until God stated His own sign. The sign will be a virgin birth. And until Joseph and Mary. For the first time, someone had the audacity to claim impregnation by God... and still be a virgin.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#211942 Feb 11, 2014
Luke 1: 26-38 (NLT) In the sixth month of Elizabeth’s pregnancy, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a village in Galilee, 27 to a virgin named Mary. She was engaged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of King David. 28 Gabriel appeared to her and said,“Greetings, favored woman! The Lord is with you!” 29 Confused and disturbed, Mary tried to think what the angel could mean. 30 “Don’t be afraid, Mary,” the angel told her,“for you have found favor with God! 31 You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you will name him Jesus. 32 He will be very great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his ancestor David. 33 And he will reign over Israel forever; his Kingdom will never end!” 34 Mary asked the angel,“But how can this happen? I am a virgin.” 35 The angel replied,“The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the baby to be born will be holy, and he will be called the Son of God... 37 For nothing is impossible with God.” 38 Mary responded,“I am the Lord’s servant. May everything you have said about me come true.” And then the angel left her. And from Matthew 1:18-25 (NLT) This is how Jesus the Messiah was born. His mother, Mary, was engaged to be married to Joseph. But before the marriage took place, while she was still a virgin, she became pregnant through the power of the Holy Spirit. 19 Joseph, her fiancé, was a good man and did not want to disgrace her publicly, so he decided to break the engagement quietly. 20 As he considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream.“Joseph, son of David,” the angel said,“do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife. For the child within her was conceived by the Holy Spirit. 21 And she will have a son, and you are to name him Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.” 22 All of this occurred to fulfill the Lord’s message through his prophet: 23 “Look! The virgin will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel, which means ‘God is with us.’” 24 When Joseph woke up, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded and took Mary as his wife. 25 But he did not have sexual relations with her until her son was born. And Joseph named him Jesus. Oh, scoffers with sly smirks mocked believers on that one! For the last two thousand years smart people knowingly acknowledged the claim as a 'symbolic' story... or less. All believers could do was quote the Angel,“With God, all things are possible.” Right... Until the early 1940s. Thousands of years after the sign was pronounced, nearly two thousand years after the sign was fulfilled, artificial insemination was first successfully performed on a human. The possibility of a virgin bearing a child was scientifically proved. Science finally caught up with the sign. Now a sign always is less that the event it validates. But this, this was not a small sign. It was a sign 'as high as heaven, as low as hell,' pronounced by God Himself! What event on earth could be greater than a sign like that? Nothing on earth. Only Immanuel. God with us.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#211943 Feb 11, 2014
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, the fact is that non-christians significantly outnumber you christians.
The rest of your post was delusional bullshit.
Actually, that wasn't the issue. But if you want to include others, religious belief systems SIGNIFICANTLY outnumber atheistic belief systems.

As to the rest of your post? Scoffing is not a reasoned response.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#211944 Feb 11, 2014
KiMare wrote:
Sunday I attended a Church
You wasted your morning. I had breakfast outdoors at the plaza with my wife and two other couples.

Did you give them your money?
KiMare wrote:
Later I attended a meeting of over 100 professional people, including professors from a large liberal college. We meet weekly to study and discuss the Bible.
There went the afternoon.
KiMare wrote:
Your response? Scoffing.
Um, yeah. Have you ever stopped to consider the cost of faith? You might be aware of Pascal's Wager. You probably have no concept of the cost in dollars, hours, and lost opportunity of losing that bet.
KiMare wrote:
Lets put the shoe on the other foot. Tell me, what value do you offer through your atheism?
Did you think that those things that you mentioned constituted offering something?

Atheism offers an alternative to dogma, superstition, faith based thinking, mythology, and magical thinking. It gives one the opportunity to embrace a life affirming, reality based, character building ideology like humanism. Instead, you are an angry, bitter, and rude zealot and dreamer. That's also part of the cost of your choice.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#211945 Feb 11, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
You may claim this event happened, but once again, you MUST use magic, Godmagic as a cause. I stopped believing in magic a long tie ago, you seem to still hold on the childish idea that magic is real, why is that?
Eagle 12 wrote:
Magic is based on trickery and or the occult.
You're talking about illusions and sleight of hand, like a stage performer. He's talking about supernaturalism - the suspension of the laws of physics.
Eagle 12 wrote:
I don’t believe in magic but I do believe in miracles since I have actually witnessed miracles.
That is unlikely.

And yes, you do believe in magic if you believe that bona fide miracles occur. Miracles (the literal sense of the word) such as willing water to become wine are magic (the supernatural sense). Such things are not known to occur.
Bongo

Medford, NY

#211946 Feb 11, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
You wasted your morning. I had breakfast outdoors at the plaza with my wife and two other couples.
Did you give them your money?
<quoted text>
There went the afternoon.
<quoted text>
Um, yeah. Have you ever stopped to consider the cost of faith? You might be aware of Pascal's Wager. You probably have no concept of the cost in dollars, hours, and lost opportunity of losing that bet.
<quoted text>
Did you think that those things that you mentioned constituted offering something?
Atheism offers an alternative to dogma, superstition, faith based thinking, mythology, and magical thinking. It gives one the opportunity to embrace a life affirming, reality based, character building ideology like humanism. Instead, you are an angry, bitter, and rude zealot and dreamer. That's also part of the cost of your choice.
Pascals wager is invalid. There is no life insurance for a skeptic. By contrast, treasonous atheists have once accepted Christ and the COST, your life. They then reneged and broke covenant . There is a lot of speciousness in your post. Its good to gather with friends and family and give to the ministry, trusting them. Kimare may be unsavory but Jesus is still Lord. A live dog is better than a dead lion.
Richardfs

Saint Marys, Australia

#211947 Feb 11, 2014
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> Pascals wager is invalid. There is no life insurance for a skeptic. By contrast, treasonous atheists have once accepted Christ and the COST, your life. They then reneged and broke covenant . There is a lot of speciousness in your post. Its good to gather with friends and family and give to the ministry, trusting them. Kimare may be unsavory but Jesus is still Lord. A live dog is better than a dead lion.
'Bongo' the short way to spell 'brain washed'.

How do you know you have the right god, there are 40+ versions of the bibull, 32000+ different gods, 38000+ versions of christianity and 4 billion Hindi gods with all faiths saying the same thing "this is the one true god".

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's teapot

#211948 Feb 11, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Virgin Nativity
Isaiah 7:11, 14 (NLT)“Ask the Lord your God for a sign of confirmation... Make it as difficult as you want—as high as heaven or as deep as the place of the dead.” Wow! What a challenge! Do you want confirmation about something? Ask for any sign you can imagine. But the offer is deferred. So God takes up His own challenge; Isaiah 7:14 ...the Lord himself will give you the sign. Look! The virgin will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son and will call him Immanuel (which means ‘God is with us’). For thousands of years Jews have pondered the challenge avoided by Ahaz, but forced by God. A sign 'as high as heaven or as deep as hell'. A pregnant virgin? Everyone knew that was silly impossible. For thousands of years. Of course there have always been girls who could not understand how their pregnancy occurred. And yes, there have been myths about sex with gods. But never did pregnancy and virginity go together in any of these incidents. Sensible people knew. Until God stated His own sign. The sign will be a virgin birth. And until Joseph and Mary. For the first time, someone had the audacity to claim impregnation by God... and still be a virgin.
KiMare wrote:
Luke 1: 26-38 (NLT) In the sixth month of Elizabeth’s pregnancy, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a village in Galilee, 27 to a virgin named Mary. She was engaged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of King David. 28 Gabriel appeared to her and said,“Greetings, favored woman! The Lord is with you!” 29 Confused and disturbed, Mary tried to think what the angel could mean. 30 “Don’t be afraid, Mary,” the angel told her,“for you have found favor with God! 31 You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you will name him Jesus. 32 He will be very great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his ancestor David. 33 And he will reign over Israel forever; his Kingdom will never end!” 34 Mary asked the angel,“But how can this happen? I am a virgin.” 35 The angel replied,“The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the baby to be born will be holy, and he will be called the Son of God... 37 For nothing is impossible with God.” 38 Mary responded,“I am the Lord’s servant. May everything you have said about me come true.” And then the angel left her. And from Matthew 1:18-25 (NLT) This is how Jesus the Messiah was born. His mother, Mary, was engaged to be married to Joseph. But before the marriage took place, while she was still a virgin, she became pregnant through the power of the Holy Spirit. 19 Joseph, her fiancé, was a good man and did not want to disgrace her publicly, so he decided to break the engagement quietly. 20 As he considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream.“Joseph, son of David,” the angel said,“do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife. For the child within her was conceived by the Holy Spirit. 21 And she will have a son, and you are to name him Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.” 22 All of this occurred to fulfill the Lord’s message through his prophet: 23 “Look! The virgin will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel, which means ‘God is with us.’” 24 When Joseph woke up, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded and took Mary as his wife. 25 But he did not have sexual relations with her until her son was born. And Joseph named him Jesus.(edited for space)
Thanks for sharing your religious mythology.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#211949 Feb 11, 2014
KiMare wrote:
atheists just caught up with the very first verse of the Bible, finally embracing the Big Bang theory.
That's cute.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#211950 Feb 11, 2014
KiMare wrote:
And yes, there have been myths about sex with gods. But never did pregnancy and virginity go together in any of these incidents. Sensible people knew. Until God stated His own sign. The sign will be a virgin birth. And until Joseph and Mary. For the first time, someone had the audacity to claim impregnation by God... and still be a virgin.
You're funning us with this, right? Here is a partial list of people said to be born to gods and virgins. Jesus made the list:

Augustus (his father was the god Apollo)
Agdistis
Antiope
Attis
Auge
Adonis
Buddha
Danae
Dionysus
Glycon
Heracles
Horus
Jesus
Korybas
Krishna
Melanippe
Mithras
Odysseus
Osirus
Perseus
Romulus and Remus
Tammuz
Zoroaster

http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-christ-lik...
http://thinkerfromiowa.wordpress.com/tag/gods...
http://www.pocm.info/pagan_ideas_virgin_birth...
http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2012/12/19/...

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#211951 Feb 11, 2014
KiMare wrote:
Luke 1: 26-38 (NLT) In the sixth month of Elizabeth’s pregnancy, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a village in Galilee, 27 to a virgin named Mary. She was engaged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of King David. 28 Gabriel appeared to her and said,“Greetings, favored woman! The Lord is with you!” 29 Confused and disturbed, Mary tried to think what the angel could mean. 30 “Don’t be afraid, Mary,” the angel told her,“for you have found favor with God! 31 You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you will name him Jesus. 32 He will be very great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his ancestor David. 33 And he will reign over Israel forever; his Kingdom will never end!” 34 Mary asked the angel,“But how can this happen? I am a virgin.” 35 The angel replied,“The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the baby to be born will be holy, and he will be called the Son of God... 37 For nothing is impossible with God.” 38 Mary responded,“I am the Lord’s servant. May everything you have said about me come true.” And then the angel left her. And from Matthew 1:18-25 (NLT) This is how Jesus the Messiah was born. His mother, Mary, was engaged to be married to Joseph. But before the marriage took place, while she was still a virgin, she became pregnant through the power of the Holy Spirit. 19 Joseph, her fiancé, was a good man and did not want to disgrace her publicly, so he decided to break the engagement quietly. 20 As he considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream.“Joseph, son of David,” the angel said,“do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife. For the child within her was conceived by the Holy Spirit. 21 And she will have a son, and you are to name him Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.” 22 All of this occurred to fulfill the Lord’s message through his prophet: 23 “Look! The virgin will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel, which means ‘God is with us.’” 24 When Joseph woke up, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded and took Mary as his wife. 25 But he did not have sexual relations with her until her son was born. And Joseph named him Jesus. Oh, scoffers with sly smirks mocked believers on that one! For the last two thousand years smart people knowingly acknowledged the claim as a 'symbolic' story... or less. All believers could do was quote the Angel,“With God, all things are possible.” Right... Until the early 1940s. Thousands of years after the sign was pronounced, nearly two thousand years after the sign was fulfilled, artificial insemination was first successfully performed on a human. The possibility of a virgin bearing a child was scientifically proved. Science finally caught up with the sign. Now a sign always is less that the event it validates. But this, this was not a small sign. It was a sign 'as high as heaven, as low as hell,' pronounced by God Himself! What event on earth could be greater than a sign like that? Nothing on earth. Only Immanuel. God with us.
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