Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“The Bible is no science book”

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#210872 Feb 5, 2014
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> Do you really think slavery is any worse than the millions who crowd the freeways everyday , working jobs they don't necessarily like for less money than they need? Why? So they can eat, pay the mortgage, taxes etc etc? Slavery may have been the best thing that ever happened to Africans. Look where theyre at now. They absolutely dread going back. The Jews were freed from slavery, then they wanted to go back to Egypt. Imagine that. Slavery is a very subjective term. No one is as free as they think. I wont even get into the millions of psychic slaves , which I think you are.
That has absolutely nothing to do with whether the bible condones slavery. It does condone it, and as was shown, an indentured servant could become a life long slave if he loved his wife and children more than his own freedom.

RiversideRedneck

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#210873 Feb 5, 2014
sweets2360 wrote:

If it gives a list of rules for owning slaves, how to treat them, how to sell them, also the indentured servants, without telling anyone that it is wrong to own them, then it is condoning slavery. Not in the old or new testaments is there one word about setting all slaves free because it is immoral to own another human being.
In Biblical times, slavery was a status more than anything. People would volunteer to be someone's slave to pay off a debt or stave off starvation. Back then, you had people of all sorts that were slaves.

It wasn't about skin color like we've seen slavery the past few centuries.

That kind of slavery the Bible prohibits.

“Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death”

-Exodus 21:16.

RiversideRedneck

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#210874 Feb 5, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Lol, so pathetic. So intolerant.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
I'm far from alone. How would you suggest we react?
I know you ain't alone. There's a lot of pathetic, intolerant atheists out there pretending to be compassionate to their fellow humans.

Your compassion for people ends when they don't share your ideals or morals.

Mine doesn't.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#210875 Feb 5, 2014
Bongo wrote:
Creationism has not been unequivocally ruled out.
I think it has, at least in the sense of creationism in religious creation stories. They all got it wrong.
Bongo wrote:
Persecution of the Church was foretold and expected, even before there was a Church.
Do you think that that is remarkable or suggests a supernatural prescience? Let me go on record now and predict that any new faction that wants to call others the equivalent of sinners and abominations will be met with resistance.

Plus, you can't really call what the church receives now persecution. Once you've persecuted others, it's just self-preservation.

“The Bible is no science book”

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#210876 Feb 5, 2014
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> Creationism has not been unequivocally ruled out. Persecution of the Church was foretold and expected, even before there was a Church. Changing diapers is not a job its a dooty.
If anyone or organization treats other people with disdain, persecution will follow, I don't care who you are. No crystal ball needed for that one.

RiversideRedneck

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#210877 Feb 5, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
You are the one calling the babble OK, you don’t like the stigma it bestows then you have an option
I've never referred to any babble, sweet cheeks. Only you have.

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

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#210878 Feb 5, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
I assume that you are referring to his and De Blasio's sentiments about extreme conservatives not being welcome in New York. What shocks you about that? I understand why you don't like it, but why are you shocked that he said that people are becoming fed up with "extreme pro-life, anti-gay, pro-assault weapons conservatives"? Because people like mayors and governors have been reluctant to be so outspoken against conservatives in the past?
Such people are extreme, ridiculous, and dangerous - just like the Texans with their textbooks. The times they are a-changing. We may be reaching a tipping point. It's about time.
I believe it was Gov. Cuomo who made the statements.

The invidiousness of his statement is that he defamed people, not just a particular policy view. People who are pro-life, pro-second amendment, and opposed to same-sex marriage,(omitting the governor's straw-man exaggeration of the terms) make up over half the nation's population.

If Cuomo has arguments that diminish the credibility of such people, he should use them, rather than use fallacious and elitist rhetoric to diminish them as human beings.

Further, with tax and regulatory policy in NY being what it is, there is no need for finding new reasons to keep people out, or encourage them to flee.

RiversideRedneck

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#210879 Feb 5, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Do you know what condone means? Here's one definition: "accept and allow (behavior that is considered morally wrong or offensive) to continue." How is that not the precise definition of the bible god's reaction to slavery?
Give it up. The words speak for themselves. All you are doing with this campaign is making faith based thought appear more divorced from reality, not changing minds to your way of thinking. Have you seen any evide ...never mind.
The Bible does not condone a Christian to own a slave.

Period.

Prove me wrong, Biblically.

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

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#210880 Feb 5, 2014
sweets2360 wrote:
<quoted text>
If anyone or organization treats other people with disdain, persecution will follow, I don't care who you are. No crystal ball needed for that one.
Topix atheists regularly treat me with disdain.

So you expect they will be presecuted? When?

RiversideRedneck

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#210881 Feb 5, 2014
sweets2360 wrote:
If anyone or organization treats other people with disdain, persecution will follow, I don't care who you are. No crystal ball needed for that one.
Then IANS has some persecution coming....

"This is the kind of thing that makes my blood boil, and intensifies my resolve to see that church weakened."

"It's too serious to be polite about"

"The church is what it is: a selfish and destructive force that needs to be opposed and weakened."

"That will come about quickest with the use of forceful, urgent, and indignant language"

"It's more than a right. It's a duty."

Then he quoted Hitchens: "I think religion should be treated with ridicule, hatred and contempt, and I claim that right."

What a compassionate, loving, tolerant, friendly Topix Atheist Secular Humanist! huh?

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#210882 Feb 5, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
In Biblical times, slavery was a status more than anything. People would volunteer to be someone's slave to pay off a debt or stave off starvation. Back then, you had people of all sorts that were slaves.
It wasn't about skin color like we've seen slavery the past few centuries.
That kind of slavery the Bible prohibits.
“Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death”
-Exodus 21:16.
That's an admonishment against kidnapping, not slavery, you cherry picking dumbass.
Bongo

Miller Place, NY

#210883 Feb 5, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
I think it has, at least in the sense of creationism in religious creation stories. They all got it wrong.
<quoted text>
Do you think that that is remarkable or suggests a supernatural prescience? Let me go on record now and predict that any new faction that wants to call others the equivalent of sinners and abominations will be met with resistance.
Plus, you can't really call what the church receives now persecution. Once you've persecuted others, it's just self-preservation.
Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you. Its all been on the record a long time ago.... Blessed
...those who are persecuted for RIGHTEOUSNES' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven
been on the record, a long time..........Im not sure how Jesus behaved when he went to hang with the harlots homos thieves tax collectors etc, but they seemed to welcome, not attack him. Christian people should adhere better to the teaching . Those who dissent , are free to do so at their own risk.
Bongo

Miller Place, NY

#210884 Feb 5, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
The Bible does not condone a Christian to own a slave.
Period.
Prove me wrong, Biblically.
Whats a slave? Are you a slave to your Spaniard boss? Try not obeying him, see what happens.(no disrespect intended) I live where the highest property taxes and utility rates in the world are. Am I a slave to them, lest they take my property away? Who gets to describe slavery as so bad? It was normal back then. Now we have high taxes to pay for all the services that without them, we would have slavery here. Many slaves live in mansions. Joseph was a slave and was boss over Egypt.

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

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#210885 Feb 5, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>Plus, you can't really call what the church receives now persecution. Once you've persecuted others, it's just self-preservation.
.. there it is folks !!..

.. atheists, women, homosexuals and other groups are simply mounting a defense against the claims of Abrahamic religions.'Vile, sinful abominations' will no longer accept the unwarranted derogatory labels hatched by churches, temples and mosques that encourage separation, fear and shame ..

.. thanks AINS !!..

RiversideRedneck

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#210886 Feb 5, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:

That kind of slavery the Bible prohibits.
“Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death”
-Exodus 21:16.
Just Think wrote:
That's an admonishment against kidnapping, not slavery, you cherry picking dumbass.
Kidnaps AND sells....

Just think, please.

RiversideRedneck

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#210887 Feb 5, 2014
Bongo wrote:
Whats a slave? Are you a slave to your Spaniard boss? Try not obeying him, see what happens.(no disrespect intended) I live where the highest property taxes and utility rates in the world are. Am I a slave to them, lest they take my property away? Who gets to describe slavery as so bad? It was normal back then. Now we have high taxes to pay for all the services that without them, we would have slavery here. Many slaves live in mansions. Joseph was a slave and was boss over Egypt.
A slave is a person that's legal property of another person.

Though you make some good points, I am not a slave.
Bongo

Miller Place, NY

#210888 Feb 5, 2014
sweets2360 wrote:
<quoted text>
If anyone or organization treats other people with disdain, persecution will follow, I don't care who you are. No crystal ball needed for that one.
Is that why there are so many social problems? Parents cant order their kids because the kid will rebel? Meanwhile, they spend all their time and money to support the little slave? Make your bed, brush your teeth, take out the garbage, mow the lawn, no smoking, no cursing, no fornication etc etc. Big meanie parents. Our nation is screwed because of lack of proper parenting or as you would say, slave treatment.

“The Bible is no science book”

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#210889 Feb 5, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Then IANS has some persecution coming....
"This is the kind of thing that makes my blood boil, and intensifies my resolve to see that church weakened."
"It's too serious to be polite about"
"The church is what it is: a selfish and destructive force that needs to be opposed and weakened."
"That will come about quickest with the use of forceful, urgent, and indignant language"
"It's more than a right. It's a duty."
Then he quoted Hitchens: "I think religion should be treated with ridicule, hatred and contempt, and I claim that right."
What a compassionate, loving, tolerant, friendly Topix Atheist Secular Humanist! huh?
Christians have been trying to wipe out the opposition from Moses till now. Now that there are people standing up and telling the truth, suddenly it is the "poor Christian" being persecuted. Maybe we should treat you the way you did people during the Inquisition? How would you like that kind of persecution instead of just trying to keep you out of government policy making and our schools?
christ

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

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#210890 Feb 5, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Topix atheists regularly treat me with disdain.
So you expect they will be presecuted? When?
.. because they fail to understand your message and are unable to read between the lines of fabricated rhetoric ..

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#210891 Feb 5, 2014
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> Good Morning Chrissy, Man just does not know. The faithfull believe. You said science does not go there. Man is limited, very limited. God has us right where he wants us. You may call it majic, but God knows exactly what hes doing , we don't. He made no fingerprint the same. Everyone meets the mystery, after an approx. 24,000 days .
You may have just dragged yourself out of you pit but I have been up and about for 10 hours or so – so good afternoon.

Man has a very good idea, which means the time for bronze age guesswork is gone

The faithful are entitled to have faith in whatever they want, all they need to do to get my full acknowledgement in agreeing that there faith is faith is to stop pretending that there faith is truth. The word ‘faithful’ gives it away.

Nope you are limited by blaming god for your failure. Which god by the way? There have been over 3700 that have been imagined since recorded history.

The thing about magic, the real telling thing is that magic does not exist…

Why guess at gods to blame genetics when nature is so vast and varied. 7 billion sets fingerprints are nothing in the scheme of the universe, there are billions of galaxies each containing billions of stars and every single star is different from all the others. We can go further than that. Every single atom in the entire universe vibrates at a different frequency than any other atom, this of course has profound quantum implications far beyond your comprehension but it actually means that all atoms in the universe are in communication with each other and no god is involved

And no one has ever come back and said “hey guys, follow me, this heaven trick is just the bees knees.”

You must be living in the wrong country, life expectancy in the UK is about 29600 days. Must be all the religion you got over there cutting it short eh? And still no one has come back with good news…

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