Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Apr 09

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#210706 Feb 4, 2014
Chuck wrote:
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Do you have an objective standard of morality by which you can judge whether or not something is morally right or wrong?
Awww….look who is trying to sneak back in under a different name after getting his ass thoroughly kicked by everyone over the weekend.

So sad.
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#210707 Feb 4, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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Only my own conscience, you see I have no god crutch to blame so I take complete 100% responsibility for my own actions
What does your conscience come from?
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#210708 Feb 4, 2014
Just Think wrote:
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Awww….look who is trying to sneak back in under a different name after getting his ass thoroughly kicked by everyone over the weekend.
So sad.
first time on this forum but thank you for noticing me.

what a tool

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#210709 Feb 4, 2014
Happy Lesbo wrote:
.. do you think gays should tolerate religious insults? How about atheists? Should their worthless bodies be chucked in a trench since their souls are going to hell ??.. you seem to exhibit much intolerance in support of tolerance ..
Like Riverside Redneck and mtimber, Clearwater has lacks an ordinary level of insight. He seems blind to the way he appears to others, and how it offends or repulses them, how it costs them respect, and how that affects their relationships with others. All three seem clueless about why so much of the thread expresses disgust and contempt for them. And though they might say that they don't care, I don't believe it. Acceptance one of the levels of Maslow's hierarchy of needs
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Their religious training not only blights their nascent insight before it can develop, it teaches them a defiance of "the world." It teaches them that we react this way to them not because they are offensive, but because they carry the message of Jesus, and being demon infested, we react to that like a vampire to light, encouraging their socially self-destructive mannerisms in the service of the church.

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Notice how the word "insight" seems to address exactly that ability: to projects the self outside of oneself and to look back to see what others see. With empathy, which is also called insight, we extrapolate the concept to project ourselves into another self and try to look through his, her, or its eyes. That might be called projected outsight.

This ability seems to be undeveloped in many of these people, and it comes at a cost, like somebody unaware that they have bad breath or need to comb their hair. They have no idea how they are being experienced, and go through life repulsing other people with their ideas and mannerisms, unaware that they do, and never knowing when it has cost them respect or an opportunity.

Since: Apr 09

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#210710 Feb 4, 2014
Chuck wrote:
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first time on this forum but thank you for noticing me.
what a tool
Of course it is, kitten, of course.

Funny story - you have the exact same persona and use the exact same words as someone else who posted here.

What are the odds? Absolute-ly astronomical….
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#210711 Feb 4, 2014
Just Think wrote:
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Of course it is, kitten, of course.
Funny story - you have the exact same persona and use the exact same words as someone else who posted here.
What are the odds? Absolute-ly astronomical….
LOL...ok I'll play along. Who is it that has the exact same personal?

You may want to stop now so you don't look like more of a tool than you already are. I am not the same person who you think I am and have absolutely no reason to lie about it.

Since: Apr 09

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#210712 Feb 4, 2014
Chuck wrote:
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LOL...ok I'll play along. Who is it that has the exact same personal?
You may want to stop now so you don't look like more of a tool than you already are. I am not the same person who you think I am and have absolutely no reason to lie about it.
If you already know who I'm talking about, why are you asking?

Oh, right…you DO love to ask questions.

“Pillars of Creation....”

Since: Jan 11

Into this world we're thrown

#210713 Feb 4, 2014
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
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This is from someone whose favourite insult is "Nancy".
It's not my favorite insult and I'm not sure what one has to do with the other.

But just so your clear, My reason for calling him Nancy is not for any type of sexual reason, or to demean his sexuality.

“Pillars of Creation....”

Since: Jan 11

Into this world we're thrown

#210714 Feb 4, 2014
scaritual wrote:
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I only know about 5-6 atheists here. Three of those are siblings, the other sibling is agnostic, but leans theist. More of a deist.
I can see the reason for your apprehension. LOL. I think i knew that many in High School. I wonder how many more in your area are atheist, but may just be as apprehensive as you to speak out, because of the numbers.

I think a big problem we have in this country is people are so quick to judge and lash out, its hard to have an honest conversation about these things. JMO.........

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#210715 Feb 4, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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My pleasure – LOL.
Actually I apologise, the majority of the readership on Topix is American and I try not to cause confusion.
Unless of course it’s deliberate…
Perhaps I should have said,‘up the duff’
Or ‘one in the oven’
Or ‘a bun in the oven’
LOL.

Speaking of multiculturalism, I wanted to ask the thread to wish me luck (or pray) for me and my teammates today. I am one of eight on a team in a charity fundraiser trivia contest.

I have a great hat collection, which I will be sharing with my teammates in about three hours. I will be wearing my Arab keffiyah, which I know how to wrap and knot. Others will be wearing a pillbox shaped, felt Moroccan tarboosh, a tall tasseled fez, or a central African kenti kufi hat. My collection also includes a Chinese coolie hat (rice bowl shaped) with a long braid, a red, green and yellow Jamaican hat with dreads, a multicolored tricorn jester's hat with bells (great for Mardi Gras), and a tall, striped velour "cat-in-the-hat" hat great for Grateful Dead concerts (presently retired).

We're defending champs, and intend to "terrorize" the room again this year. I'll report back to the thread when we I have some news.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#210716 Feb 4, 2014
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>There are some claims that are so absurd on their face that they don't merit a response. Your inference that you have never reinterpreted the bible, or that you don't at least subscribe to other people's reinterpretation of the bible, is one such claim.
Everyone that reads the Bible is reading an interpretation of it.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#210717 Feb 4, 2014
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
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I wonder how the Native Americans would see it? Their languages are truly American, while English was originally foreign.
The same goes for Koori languages here.
Ya. Sure.

The Indians migrated here too, ya know.....

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#210718 Feb 4, 2014
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
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You're obviously a H P Lovecraft fan. Metallica had some great songs about him, too.
Never was a Metallica fan.

I do like Blue Oyster Cult. They have some songs based off of Moorecock. Moorcock even wrote some of the lyrics.

And there is Led Zeppelin, who has some songs based off of Tolkien.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#210719 Feb 4, 2014
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
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You're obviously a H P Lovecraft fan. Metallica had some great songs about him, too.
There are a lot of songs on YouTube that are older music but with new lyrics based on the Cthulhu mythos. "It's Beginning to Look a Lot Like Fishmen" and "If I Were a Deep One" are among my favorites.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#210720 Feb 4, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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OK.
What else would you like to discuss?
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Yes, I was clear, wasn't I. Too bad you are not.
I still deny that I have any absolute moral principles as the term is commonly used in ethical philosophy, which is roughly the same thing as a Kantian categorical imperative..
I have no interest in going any further with this discussion not knowing what you mean by "absolute morals." You saw how mtimber wasted the time of so many people by assuming a nonstandard , meaning of the term and refusing to clarify his usage for days, only to finally reveal that he and most of the thread had been talking about different things.
I must have skipped over mtimber's clarification. How did HE define "absolute morals"?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#210721 Feb 4, 2014
Rider on the Storm wrote:
I think a big problem we have in this country is people are so quick to judge and lash out, its hard to have an honest conversation about these things. JMO.........
I agree, and it's likely in large part by design. It's an old, famous, and effective way to keep a population distracted while you're working against its interests: divide them in two and have them angrily and suspiciously pointing their fingers at one another. If you want to retool a government and rob the populace of their liberties and wealth, have them at war with each other.

Too cynical?

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#210722 Feb 4, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
http://www.topix.com/forum/rel igion/atheism/TUGI0DVLLAKD7M2H N/post210615
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... anything you want it to.
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Your god orders both. Was it being immoral when it did?
True. There are several places in the OT where God orders all the men killed and the women taken as sex slaves.

In the NT, it tells slaves to obey their masters.

Nowhere does the Bible condemn slavery except to say that your male children could not be sold and that Jews could not own Jews as slaves...but could own slaves from any other country.

And I don't recall any passages condemning rape, except to say things like the rapist must pay a fine to the woman's father or that the rapist must then marry his victim.

For a God that is supposed to be the ultimate fount of morality, he seems to fall quite short of the mark.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#210723 Feb 4, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Everyone that reads the Bible is reading an interpretation of it.
And that's before they add their personal spin, and perhaps a denominational spin as well. How else can the same book be used to support the Quakers and the Klan, or Catholics and snake handling fundamentalists. They all point to (different) parts of the bible and say, "See - the bible clearly teaches yadda"

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#210724 Feb 4, 2014
sweets2360 wrote:
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Those people seem to forget that our English language came from "GASP" ENGLAND, and not America.
Many years ago, I was playing an RPG (roe playing game) and my character was a man from Texas. His intelligence score was pretty low, so I picked his primary language as "'Murican".

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#210725 Feb 4, 2014
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> Be patient my jackass. BTW im not against science. Im spending over 200k annually for my kids to learn it as part of their education. My statements in regard to wonderful science is simply that its a totally unreliable thing to use as a means to rule out deities and the power of faith. There are risks and benefits to it . Sometimes severe.
Yes, and science is totally unreliable at ruling out Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy as well.

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