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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#208720 Jan 28, 2014
Plato 636

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text...

Laws 8.836c-e, in which Plato discusses what laws should regulate sexual conduct. It's plain that Plato sees a historical decline in morals since the time of Laius.

"Suppose you follow nature's rule and establish the law that was in force before the time of Laius. You'd argue that one may have sexual intercourse with women but not with men or boys. As evidence for your view, you'd point to the animal world, where (you'd argue) the males do not have sexual relations with each other, because such a thing is unnatural. But in Crete and Sparta your argument would not go down well, and you'd probably persuade nobody. However, another argument is that such practices are incompatible with what in our view should be the constant aim of the legislator - that is, we're always asking,'which of our regulations encourages virtue, and which does not?' Now then, suppose in the present case we agreed to pass a law that such practices are desirable, or not at all undesirable - what contribution would they make to virtue? Will the spirit of courage spring to life in the soul of the seduced person? Will the soul of the seducer learn habits of self-control? No one is going to be led astray by that sort of argument - quite the contrary. Everyone will censure the weakling who yields to temptation, and condemn his all-too-effeminate partner who plays the role of the woman. So who on earth will pass a law like that? Hardly anyone, at any rate if he knows what a genuine law really is."

Plato, Laws [636c]“And whether one makes the observation in earnest or in jest, one certainly should not fail to observe that when male unites with female for procreation the pleasure experienced is held to be due to nature, but contrary to nature when male mates with male or female with female, and that those first guilty of such enormities were impelled by their slavery to pleasure.”
http://www.interlog.com/~girbe/ethics7.html

Aristotle
Nichomacean Ethics Book 7, Section 5:
“Some things are not naturally pleasant, but can become so through injury, habit or congenital depravity. And for each unnatural pleasure there is an abnormal state of character. There is the brutish character, as in those tribes around the Black Sea who eat human flesh. Also, morbid states, like nail-biting or homosexuality … may have been acquired by habit, for instance if someone has been sexually misused as a child.”
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Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#208721 Jan 28, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Marriage and legal marriage are the same thing.
When the government defines legal marriage, it defines marriage.
You advocate same-sex couples wanting government to define marriage, but criticize others for doing the same.
You can define marriage for yourself however you want. Marry Dave if you want to. Or don't.

But you want to define it for everyone in ways that do not allow equal treatment for everyone.

Pressing their principles on everyone is, IMHO, one of the greatest sins of religion.

“Ditat Deus”

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#208722 Jan 28, 2014
Divinity Surgeon wrote:
Technology and humans exist.
The technology does not exist.

Try again.

“Ditat Deus”

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#208723 Jan 28, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
Now you're getting it, Batman isn't real and neither is your God, neither one of them care about us because both are fictitious characters. You finally came around to logic and reason, good for you!
"Batman is real, I own a few of his movies."
-Tide

It is your opinion that God isn't real.

Why can't you get that?

“The Edge”

Since: Dec 10

Of Tomorow

#208724 Jan 28, 2014
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
.. not in Utah or Arizona ..
Anywhere.
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#208725 Jan 28, 2014
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>You don't have things in your life one might characterize as blessings? Family or friends that love you. Opportunities to do things that bring you joy. A genuine concern about the suffering of others. And so on?
Man has free will and the capacity for both good and evil. There is no question man chooses to do a lot of bad. But he also chooses to do a lot of good.
Life itself IMO is a miracle and a blessing.
What would you feel showed God did care?
And who do you feel would be to blame between man and God (assuming God exists) if there are enough resources to feed and house everybody in the world but those resources are disproportionately spread out in part due to the wealth and power of some?
You might characterize these things as "blessing" I would say they are good fortune brought on mostly by how I treat others and what I have accomplished through hard work and dedication.

I don't believe in miracles, and the word blessing is meaningless to me.

If God was real, which reject out of hand, all he would have to do to alleviate the misery and suffering caused by centuries of divisiveness is reveal himself to ALL of mankind. Not the religious BS about "truly believe in God and he will reveal himself to you." Really reveal himself, emblazoned across the sky for all to see, his affirmation that he is the one true God, a message written on the face of the moon doing the same, followed by his appearing simultaneously to every individual on the planet, and his affirmation that he was the creator of the universe and all things in it.

I would never blame God for the disproportion of wealth and resources, thats on man. But I would blame him for sitting idly by while millions of children starve to death. And I would blame him for inefficient design of the human body, specifically the lack of an adequate defense mechanism against the millions of parasitic organisms that have killed millions.

“The Edge”

Since: Dec 10

Of Tomorow

#208726 Jan 28, 2014
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
So fixated Laura
Your posts are always like some weird combination of trolling, ignorance, and mental instability
There must not have been a high premium on education or intelligence in that village you grew up in
Be honest, you still run around pretending a flashlight is a lightsaber don't you?
:)
No I just told you the deal. make what you want out of it.

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#208729 Jan 28, 2014
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2013...

Promoting marriage does not ban any type of relationship: Adults are free to make choices about their relationships, and they do not need government sanction or license to do so. All Americans have the freedom to live as they choose, but no one has a right to redefine marriage for everyone else.

“Ditat Deus”

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#208730 Jan 28, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Why do you assume God isn't natural?
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
If God were natural, then there would be some way to measure and observe Him.
How do you know that?

Snowflakes is observable but not measurable, but exist nonetheless.

Black holes are not observable OR measurable, but exist in nature.

Dreams are not measurable, but they exist.

DNA is only recently observable, but it existed without our knowledge of it.

Why do you give such criteria to God but not to other things?

“Ditat Deus”

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#208731 Jan 28, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
<quoted text>
I recall in one of the early Star Trek movies, there is a very powerful, godlike being that claims to actually be God. And it needs the use of the Enterprise.
Kirk says, "Excuse me. Why would God need a starship?"
Then they figured out that that was just a powerful alien, not God.

Oh, and it's not even real...

“Ditat Deus”

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#208732 Jan 28, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
<quoted text>
I recall in one of the early Star Trek movies, there is a very powerful, godlike being that claims to actually be God. And it needs the use of the Enterprise.
Kirk says, "Excuse me. Why would God need a starship?"
The neat thing about that script was that they had even Captain Kirk acknowledging that God would have no need for a Starship.

Did ya not catch that?

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#208733 Jan 28, 2014
scaritual wrote:
Sure you do. Whether you understand or comprehend it, you just denied the deities I listed in the previous post made in response to you.

Also, I've seen you state that science is a "god" to atheists and others, then deny and debate science - because it contradicts your deity belief, and then attempt to insert your deity belief into the scientific process - when there is no scientific evidence for your deity.

BTW, a link you supplied earlier, said this:

"After many excavations in the Middle East, archaeologists have found Ancient writings called "cuneiform" writings that date back all the way to 3500 B.C.

Adam was still alive at that time, and so writing could have gone back even farther."

Ar Ar, do you agree with that statement made at the link you supplied, or not?

RiversideRedneck wrote, "I don't spend my time debating religions or gods I don't believe in."

You do.

RiversideRedneck wrote, "You see, I'm not atheist. "

That's correct. That's good(for atheism). You do more for atheism as a theist than you ever could as an atheist.

That's true of many theists.
True.

He doesn't comprehend much.

Hi scar :-)

“Ditat Deus”

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#208734 Jan 28, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:

I don't care.
scaritual wrote:

Sure you do.
No, I don't.

You don't see me debating the existence of gods I don't believe in.

“Ditat Deus”

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#208735 Jan 28, 2014
scaritual wrote:

"After many excavations in the Middle East, archaeologists have found Ancient writings called "cuneiform" writings that date back all the way to 3500 B.C.
Adam was still alive at that time, and so writing could have gone back even farther."
Ar Ar, do you agree with that statement made at the link you supplied, or not?
It is possible...

“Ditat Deus”

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#208736 Jan 28, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
the word blessing is meaningless to me.
Ah, the open-mindedness of the Topix Atheist! is astounding....

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#208737 Jan 28, 2014
Divinity Surgeon wrote:
<quoted text>
Purple with brambles in me hair, yep. Haven't seen any for so long.
I'm actually back there now, but it's too late in the season for 'em.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

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#208740 Jan 28, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
No, I don't.
You don't see me debating the existence of gods I don't believe in.
You are right now.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#208741 Jan 28, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
It is possible...
Polytheists...

Meh.
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#208742 Jan 28, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
"Batman is real, I own a few of his movies."
-Tide
It is your opinion that God isn't real.
Why can't you get that?
I own The Creature From The Black Lagoon, so I guess he's also real, I also have some bugs bunny and superman movies, real also?

It's not my "opinion" that God isn't real, no more than it's my "opinion" that Tinkerbell and her bag of pixie dust is real.

There is ONLY one way to determine if something is real or not, and thats reliable demonstrable evidence, and only science can supply us with that. Ok, cue the dream and love bullshit, both of which manifest themselves in reality.

And why can't you get that there is, never has been, and most likely never will be, evidence for your God thing!
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#208743 Jan 28, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah, the open-mindedness of the Topix Atheist! is astounding....
I'm extremely open-minded, just show me something I can get my mind wrapped around.

Does being a skeptical free thinker equate to being close-minded?

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