The Ultimate Evidence of God

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#1 Mar 24, 2014
The Ultimate Evidence of God

In 1922 the Theory of the big bang was the gift Science needed to break up with Aristotle that the universe was infinite. It was the gift of a Theist, George Lemaitre: The universe did have its beginning.

Now, the point is to demonstrate what or who caused the universe to begin because from the logical point of view, the universe could not have caused itself to exist. Simply because being the universe composed of matter and matter cannot cause itself to exist, the Primal Cause has ultimately become obvious.

Now, to all atheists, I have the following message: I am ready to give you the benefit of the doubt and probably even my word that I am ready to change my views about the uiverse if there is one that believes the universe caused itself to exist. If the answer stands the screening of Logic, my proposal is as good as gold that I'll be no longer a theist.

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#2 Mar 24, 2014
Ben_Masada wrote:
The Ultimate Evidence of God
In 1922 the Theory of the big bang was the gift Science needed to break up with Aristotle that the universe was infinite. It was the gift of a Theist, George Lemaitre: The universe did have its beginning.
Now, the point is to demonstrate what or who caused the universe to begin because from the logical point of view, the universe could not have caused itself to exist. Simply because being the universe composed of matter and matter cannot cause itself to exist, the Primal Cause has ultimately become obvious.
Now, to all atheists, I have the following message: I am ready to give you the benefit of the doubt and probably even my word that I am ready to change my views about the uiverse if there is one that believes the universe caused itself to exist. If the answer stands the screening of Logic, my proposal is as good as gold that I'll be no longer a theist.
It obviously came from somewhere but to answer that question with anything besides "From what though" is a massive tell of your intellect. You can't just assume a god. Unless you are not ok without an answer then by all means but don't sit there and tell me it HAS to be a god. We DO NOT KNOW what happened before the big bang. All we know is it happened. Hell, we may never know but I am ok with not knowing.
Impartial observer

Southampton, UK

#3 Mar 24, 2014
Ben_Masada wrote:
The Ultimate Evidence of God
In 1922 the Theory of the big bang was the gift Science needed to break up with Aristotle that the universe was infinite. It was the gift of a Theist, George Lemaitre: The universe did have its beginning.
Now, the point is to demonstrate what or who caused the universe to begin because from the logical point of view, the universe could not have caused itself to exist. Simply because being the universe composed of matter and matter cannot cause itself to exist, the Primal Cause has ultimately become obvious.
Now, to all atheists, I have the following message: I am ready to give you the benefit of the doubt and probably even my word that I am ready to change my views about the uiverse if there is one that believes the universe caused itself to exist. If the answer stands the screening of Logic, my proposal is as good as gold that I'll be no longer a theist.
You say the universe (about which we still don't know everything) cannot cause itself to exist but that some Primal Cause (about which we know absolutely nothing) can. Sounds to me like you're just guessing. Nothing wrong with that, of course, but it falls very far short of proving anything.
Religion

West Springfield, MA

#4 Apr 3, 2014
Ben_Masada wrote:
The Ultimate Evidence of God
In 1922 the Theory of the big bang was the gift Science needed to break up with Aristotle that the universe was infinite. It was the gift of a Theist, George Lemaitre: The universe did have its beginning.
Now, the point is to demonstrate what or who caused the universe to begin because from the logical point of view, the universe could not have caused itself to exist. Simply because being the universe composed of matter and matter cannot cause itself to exist, the Primal Cause has ultimately become obvious.
Now, to all atheists, I have the following message: I am ready to give you the benefit of the doubt and probably even my word that I am ready to change my views about the uiverse if there is one that believes the universe caused itself to exist. If the answer stands the screening of Logic, my proposal is as good as gold that I'll be no longer a theist.
Now I have been born and raised in a Christian/Methodist/Lutheran household and in schools. That being said I still don't believe in religion all the people who believe it are closed minded and won't accept anything else. As of your little book of truth you got there. That was written by HUMANS. Sure there probably a guy named Jesus back in Israel,but I highly doubt he was a so to speak an omnipotent being. Also all the bible evidence is entirely circumstantial you have absolutely no proof that religion is real. Now on to evolution. People who say that's bullshit are bullshitters. "If we evolved from monkey then how would we reproduce" (from YouTube) well the same fucking way they did/ do plus we evolved that is the key word evolved. Now onto the religious side saying you have no proof that "science" (what do you know also from YouTube)is real and we have a big book. Bullshit science has a shit ton of books about proof and evidence carefully constructed by careful experiments. As for the bible most of it is all circumstance and morphed to the way that best suits the bible believers plus Christians discard every single other religion and I'm not sure how they do that.... Oh wait because their long ass book sais so. This should prove religion is a sham

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#6 Apr 3, 2014
Everything still boils down to the millenium-old 'uncaused first cause' logical fallacy.
If matter couldn't have existed without a creator causing its existence, that creator itself, being an entity itself, couldn't have existed too without another creator causing it to exist.
So, the system of design/designer argument stands faulted as a plausible pointer to the existence of God.
You may follow us on the thread:'Atheism Destroyed At Last!- The Debate Of The Millenium' where we have adopted a completely different approach to proving the existence of God.
strangepeople

London, UK

#8 Apr 6, 2014
Ben_Masada wrote:
The Ultimate Evidence of God
In 1922 the Theory of the big bang was the gift Science needed to break up with Aristotle that the universe was infinite. It was the gift of a Theist, George Lemaitre: The universe did have its beginning.
Now, the point is to demonstrate what or who caused the universe to begin because from the logical point of view, the universe could not have caused itself to exist. Simply because being the universe composed of matter and matter cannot cause itself to exist, the Primal Cause has ultimately become obvious.
Now, to all atheists, I have the following message: I am ready to give you the benefit of the doubt and probably even my word that I am ready to change my views about the uiverse if there is one that believes the universe caused itself to exist. If the answer stands the screening of Logic, my proposal is as good as gold that I'll be no longer a theist.
When you religious liars can prove your god without playing with words like a small child who knows he is wrong, then Atheists will stop laughing at your ignorant attempts to share your imagination with us.

When you are brave enough to educate your small brains with knowledge and prove all of your religious nonsense lies, then you will get respect and not before.

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Since: May 09

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#9 Apr 7, 2014
Ben_Masada wrote:
The Ultimate Evidence of God
In 1922 the Theory of the big bang was the gift Science needed to break up with Aristotle that the universe was infinite. It was the gift of a Theist, George Lemaitre: The universe did have its beginning.
Now, the point is to demonstrate what or who caused the universe to begin because from the logical point of view, the universe could not have caused itself to exist. Simply because being the universe composed of matter and matter cannot cause itself to exist, the Primal Cause has ultimately become obvious.
Now, to all atheists, I have the following message: I am ready to give you the benefit of the doubt and probably even my word that I am ready to change my views about the uiverse if there is one that believes the universe caused itself to exist. If the answer stands the screening of Logic, my proposal is as good as gold that I'll be no longer a theist.
Another fail, but keep trying. A piss poor god, like all those that man has so far conceived of could not create much more than discension and collection baskets.

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#10 Apr 9, 2014
Ben_Masada wrote:
The Ultimate Evidence of God
In 1922 the Theory of the big bang was the gift Science needed to break up with Aristotle that the universe was infinite. It was the gift of a Theist, George Lemaitre: The universe did have its beginning.
Now, the point is to demonstrate what or who caused the universe to begin because from the logical point of view, the universe could not have caused itself to exist. Simply because being the universe composed of matter and matter cannot cause itself to exist, the Primal Cause has ultimately become obvious.
Now, to all atheists, I have the following message: I am ready to give you the benefit of the doubt and probably even my word that I am ready to change my views about the uiverse if there is one that believes the universe caused itself to exist. If the answer stands the screening of Logic, my proposal is as good as gold that I'll be no longer a theist.
you have failed to define "universe"

you have failed to prove the big bang represents anything other than a change of state.

you have not defined "god"

your "beliefs" massage your ego, and I doubt you will give that up.

Your beliefs are as vapid as the proof you have offered.
Zsireaux

Brisbane, Australia

#11 Apr 21, 2014
Ben_Masada if Reason Putrified is against you then you have a valid point.

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#12 Apr 22, 2014
Zsireaux wrote:
Ben_Masada if Reason Putrified is against you then you have a valid point.
Having a valid point* does not equate to having a valid god.

* not that he had a valid point, but then neither do you. I am against child rape, genital mutilation and biblical stoning, but I'm not against Ben Masada. So have you concocted a less than piss poor god concept for us to peruse?

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#13 Jul 6, 2014
Electrical Engineer wrote:
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It obviously came from somewhere but to answer that question with anything besides "From what though" is a massive tell of your intellect. You can't just assume a god. Unless you are not ok without an answer then by all means but don't sit there and tell me it HAS to be a god. We DO NOT KNOW what happened before the big bang. All we know is it happened. Hell, we may never know but I am ok with not knowing.
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I am not assuming the existence of God but using Logic to demonstrate an evidence that cannot be refuted. Tell me, could the universe have caused itself to exist? Obviously not, because for something to cause itself to exist it must exist to do so and if it already exists, it is only obvious that it does not need to cause itself to exist. If something exists and could not have caused itself to exist, some thing that preceded it did that job. Who could have it been if not some thing more powerful than you and I. If it was not God, no matter the fact that we do not know It, who could have been?(II Cor.5:7) I know that you do not know but do not discard the concept of probability even of what you do not know.

So, you are okay with not knowing, aren't you? I am not. To be okay with being ignorant, you make of yourself a disciple of Paul who said that Christians are supposed to walk by faith and not by sight, aka being satisfied with not knowing.(II Cor. 5:7)
EdSed

Wishaw, UK

#14 Jul 6, 2014
So there's no evidence of god then.

Obviously Abrahamic gods are all man-made, as are all those in godchecker.com

Theology = mythology
Patrick

United States

#15 Jul 6, 2014
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Having a valid point* does not equate to having a valid god.
* not that he had a valid point, but then neither do you. I am against child rape, genital mutilation and biblical stoning, but I'm not against Ben Masada. So have you concocted a less than piss poor god concept for us to peruse?
Is one a new poster...seems confused or on narcotics?
Richardfs

Sydney, Australia

#16 Jul 6, 2014
Ben_Masada wrote:
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I am not assuming the existence of God but using Logic.....
Really, so why are you using bibull quotes?

Look we all know you are a godbot so stop trying to BS us.

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#17 Jul 6, 2014
Patrick wrote:
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Is one a new poster...seems confused or on narcotics?
Fail.
Patrick

United States

#18 Jul 6, 2014
EdSed wrote:
So there's no evidence of god then.
Obviously Abrahamic gods are all man-made, as are all those in godchecker.com
Theology = mythology
Is <Reason Personified> a fundamentalist?

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#19 Jul 7, 2014
EdSed wrote:
So there's no evidence of god then.
Obviously Abrahamic gods are all man-made, as are all those in godchecker.com
Theology = mythology
I would like to give you the benefit of the doubt that there is no evidence of God if you give me an answer to the following: The universe is composed of matter. Matter cannot cause itself to exist which is illogical. It means that some thing else did that job. What or who could have been?

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#20 Jul 7, 2014
Richardfs wrote:
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Really, so why are you using bibull quotes?
Look we all know you are a godbot so stop trying to BS us.
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I am not trying to BS you. Of this you are already up to the neck with. I am trying to give you a more serious meaning to your life.
CunningLinguist

Apopka, FL

#21 Jul 31, 2014
Ben_Masada wrote:
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I would like to give you the benefit of the doubt that there is no evidence of God if you give me an answer to the following: The universe is composed of matter. Matter cannot cause itself to exist which is illogical. It means that some thing else did that job. What or who could have been?
I'll give you a chance to prove your assertions about your faith.

Ask your clergy for evidence that proves your God is the one true God in the way that clerics in competing religions (other than yours) cannot do with their God.

Ask your clergy for evidence that proves your holy book a.k.a. The Bible is true in a way that other religions cannot do with their holy book, e.g. Islam, Torah, etc.

Take your time you don't have an answer and neither will your clergy.

I do thank you for sharing your mythology though...

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#22 Aug 3, 2014
CunningLinguist wrote:
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I'll give you a chance to prove your assertions about your faith.
Ask your clergy for evidence that proves your God is the one true God in the way that clerics in competing religions (other than yours) cannot do with their God.
Ask your clergy for evidence that proves your holy book a.k.a. The Bible is true in a way that other religions cannot do with their holy book, e.g. Islam, Torah, etc.
Take your time you don't have an answer and neither will your clergy.
I do thank you for sharing your mythology though...
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How about if you ask your atheist clergy to explain to you how to use Logic to understand how some thing cannot cause itself to exist. Then and only then we can go on.

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