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“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#1 Jun 7, 2012
Just what we need, more religious people who have no idea of how science works pretending to be scientists.

Since: Sep 10

Earth

#3 Jun 7, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
Just what we need, more religious people who have no idea of how science works pretending to be scientists.
Such idiots are also incapable of grasping "innocent until proven guilty" in a court of law. Most of them are sociopaths who "think" being accused makes someone guilty...unless the accused is a high-profile christian, of course. It doesn't surprise that idiots who can't grasp one also fail to grasp the other.

Innocent until proven guilty means *false until proven true*. The accusation against the defendant is presumed to be false until sufficient evidence is presented, verified and then judged by an (allegedly) impartial jury. Only when there is proof is the person declared guilty.

Science also assumes false until proven true. Theories, assumptions and extrapolations are made based upon evidence and then tested. It is only when the tests and new evidence (and repeated tests and further evidence) back up the claim is the theory assumed to be true (e.g. evolution is both theory and fact).

There are two major differences between science and the adversarial court system, but they are both in science's favour:

(1) There is no "double jeopardy". Science will test and retest, and things which were once considered false can actually become accepted science (e.g. plate tectonics).

(2) Science is willing to consider alternate theories and not have tunnel vision when it comes to proving and disproving things or about changing theories when the theory disagrees with the evidence (e.g. there are at least three valid explantions other than "dark matter" for why the universe behaves as it does).

There is also a similarity to courts which again proves that science's methodology is as valid as a court's:

(1) Some proofs are directly proven by testing and facts (e.g. DNA in a court, and DNA in a genetics lab).

(2) Some proofs are made by induction and circumstantial evidence, but are based in fact and not opinion (e.g. geological dating based on striations in land masses).

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#4 Jun 8, 2012
P_Smith wrote:
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Such idiots are also incapable of grasping "innocent until proven guilty" in a court of law. Most of them are sociopaths who "think" being accused makes someone guilty...unless the accused is a high-profile christian, of course. It doesn't surprise that idiots who can't grasp one also fail to grasp the other.
Innocent until proven guilty means *false until proven true*. The accusation against the defendant is presumed to be false until sufficient evidence is presented, verified and then judged by an (allegedly) impartial jury. Only when there is proof is the person declared guilty.
Science also assumes false until proven true. Theories, assumptions and extrapolations are made based upon evidence and then tested. It is only when the tests and new evidence (and repeated tests and further evidence) back up the claim is the theory assumed to be true (e.g. evolution is both theory and fact).
There are two major differences between science and the adversarial court system, but they are both in science's favour:
(1) There is no "double jeopardy". Science will test and retest, and things which were once considered false can actually become accepted science (e.g. plate tectonics).
(2) Science is willing to consider alternate theories and not have tunnel vision when it comes to proving and disproving things or about changing theories when the theory disagrees with the evidence (e.g. there are at least three valid explantions other than "dark matter" for why the universe behaves as it does).
There is also a similarity to courts which again proves that science's methodology is as valid as a court's:
(1) Some proofs are directly proven by testing and facts (e.g. DNA in a court, and DNA in a genetics lab).
(2) Some proofs are made by induction and circumstantial evidence, but are based in fact and not opinion (e.g. geological dating based on striations in land masses).
Theists are in active denial about the direct proofs - evidence.

I do believe many theists and agnostics are simply uneducated about the disproofs by induction.

It really is a case of education. But what can you do when the cults outright rejects facts? Knowing full well that they are wrong, AND inventing lies about atheists and scientists?

Surely there should be some regulation on this.

Especially considering the bible calls all atheist fools, this should be classed as hate speech and the book withdrawn or corrected.

How can people allow such open prejudice in society again such a minority?

Since: Dec 10

Orefield, PA

#5 Jun 8, 2012
I am going to refer to the author of this tweet as "he". It is a matter of convience. It sure beats typing "He/she" every time...

This mindless drivel is yet another example of how the weak-minded need an invisible god to tell them how to act. Isn't it funny that my children display all the nice traits that this author claims that he needs Jesus for? Was this person raised by weasels? Did his parents do such a poor jod that he needed a book to tell him how to act?
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It's too bad the bible didn't explain that atheism is not a 'doctrine'. Maybe this author should put down the big book of fairytales and pick up a dictionary.
Jehovah is God

Owasso, OK

#6 Jun 8, 2012
The truth is, you must have faith to believe in God, because the Bible is the only book that explains our designer and Creator.

If you don't believe that Jesus is the only begotten son of God, not a trinity god as religion teaches, you will never understand the Bible, and your faith is in vain.

You must worship God the way he wants to be worshiped not as a religion teaches through its man made doctrines. Start your Bible study with Jehovah's witnesses and learn the truth about God and life, then decide whether to know, love and serve him as our heavenly Father. John 4:24

Since: Dec 10

Orefield, PA

#7 Jun 8, 2012
Jehovah is God wrote:
The truth is, you must have faith to believe in God, because the Bible is the only book that explains our designer and Creator.
If you don't believe that Jesus is the only begotten son of God, not a trinity god as religion teaches, you will never understand the Bible, and your faith is in vain.
You must worship God the way he wants to be worshiped not as a religion teaches through its man made doctrines. Start your Bible study with Jehovah's witnesses and learn the truth about God and life, then decide whether to know, love and serve him as our heavenly Father. John 4:24
I'll tell you what. You prove that there is a god, and I'll become a JW.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#8 Jun 8, 2012
Jehovah is God wrote:
The truth is, you must have faith to believe in God, because the Bible is the only book that explains our designer and Creator.
If you don't believe that Jesus is the only begotten son of God, not a trinity god as religion teaches, you will never understand the Bible, and your faith is in vain.
You must worship God the way he wants to be worshiped not as a religion teaches through its man made doctrines. Start your Bible study with Jehovah's witnesses and learn the truth about God and life, then decide whether to know, love and serve him as our heavenly Father. John 4:24
Anything that requires swallowing what someone tells you just for the sake of believing it is not healthy, it's dangerous.
Jehovah is God

Owasso, OK

#9 Jun 8, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Anything that requires swallowing what someone tells you just for the sake of believing it is not healthy, it's dangerous.
The only thing you have to swallow is God's word of truth, the Bible is very clear on how to live to have Almighty God Jehovahs approval to survive the end of this world, everyone is being invited to have everlasting life today.

The hope of inheriting this earth, to live on a beautiful new clean earth with no war, crime, sickness or suffering, no police or hospitals, only peace and happiness, the only requirement is to give up the lies of this world, the lies are what keep men in bondage to this world.

Sounds too good to be true, but the fact is it is not easy to give up the lies of this world or the addictions to violence and immorality, but these will not be allowed in God's new world of righteousness. 2Peter 3:13
Jehovah is God

Owasso, OK

#10 Jun 8, 2012
The serpent was right wrote:
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I'll tell you what. You prove that there is a god, and I'll become a JW.
No one can become a Jehovah's witness because they want to, it is Jesus our reigning King that chooses his subjects today, it is the relationship you cultivate with Almighty God Jehovah that determines if you will be a witness or not.

Many people are invited and accept this invitation, but they choose to live for themselves and not Jehovah God's will today, they leave Jehovah's visible earthly organization or they are removed, in this way the world wide congregation stays clean.

Unless you have your spiritual eyes open, you can never understand the symbolic language of the Bible, and unless you believe there is a God, you will never even investigate the Bible with Jehovah's witnesses.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#11 Jun 8, 2012
Jehovah is God wrote:
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The only thing you have to swallow is God's word of truth, the Bible is very clear on how to live to have Almighty God Jehovahs approval to survive the end of this world, everyone is being invited to have everlasting life today.
The hope of inheriting this earth, to live on a beautiful new clean earth with no war, crime, sickness or suffering, no police or hospitals, only peace and happiness, the only requirement is to give up the lies of this world, the lies are what keep men in bondage to this world.
Sounds too good to be true, but the fact is it is not easy to give up the lies of this world or the addictions to violence and immorality, but these will not be allowed in God's new world of righteousness. 2Peter 3:13
The bible is also not supported by any outside sources and is contradictory of known historical evidence. Your dooms day crap is pointless wishful thinking.
redneck

Cave Junction, OR

#12 Jun 8, 2012
Jehovah is God wrote:
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No one can become a Jehovah's witness because they want to, it is Jesus our reigning King that chooses his subjects today, it is the relationship you cultivate with Almighty God Jehovah that determines if you will be a witness or not.
Many people are invited and accept this invitation, but they choose to live for themselves and not Jehovah God's will today, they leave Jehovah's visible earthly organization or they are removed, in this way the world wide congregation stays clean.
Unless you have your spiritual eyes open, you can never understand the symbolic language of the Bible, and unless you believe there is a God, you will never even investigate the Bible with Jehovah's witnesses.
Poes' Law would apply if you were a Mensa member but you are not. www.400monkeys.com/God

Since: Dec 10

Orefield, PA

#13 Jun 8, 2012
Jehovah is God wrote:
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No one can become a Jehovah's witness because they want to, it is Jesus our reigning King that chooses his subjects today, it is the relationship you cultivate with Almighty God Jehovah that determines if you will be a witness or not.
Many people are invited and accept this invitation, but they choose to live for themselves and not Jehovah God's will today, they leave Jehovah's visible earthly organization or they are removed, in this way the world wide congregation stays clean.
Unless you have your spiritual eyes open, you can never understand the symbolic language of the Bible, and unless you believe there is a God, you will never even investigate the Bible with Jehovah's witnesses.
In other words, you have no proof that your god is anything more than a myth.

I already knew that.
Your cult is the laughing stock of the world. Maybe your cult leaders will predict the end of the world again!!LOL!! Oh, that's right, they stopped doing that didn't they. I guess looking like an ass every time they tried, and tried, and tried, and tried, taught them a lesson. LOL!!! The only thing special about the JW's is how wrong they got everything.
ARGUING with IDIOTS

United States

#14 Jun 8, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>The bible is also not supported by any outside sources and is contradictory of known historical evidence. Your dooms day crap is pointless wishful thinking.
Coward and a liar!

Your parents must be so proud!

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#15 Jun 8, 2012
ARGUING with IDIOTS wrote:
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Coward and a liar!
Your parents must be so proud!
I am not the one claiming that a book of myths is truth. My father is proud of me, my mother is hopefully rotting in the ground already.
ARGUING with IDIOTS

United States

#16 Jun 8, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>I am not the one claiming that a book of myths is truth. My father is proud of me, my mother is hopefully rotting in the ground already.
I also have not claimed a book of myths are true.

Sorry to hear about your relationship with your Mother. Sounds like it has been a hard thing for you to burden. I felt similar with my father at one point. We were able to reconcile somewhat, then he had a stroke 3 mos ago. I am flying down to take care of him for a couple of weeks in July and August. I have not forgot, but am thankful we still have the opportunity!

Sorry for the monolog.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#17 Jun 8, 2012
ARGUING with IDIOTS wrote:
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I also have not claimed a book of myths are true.
So then why are you asserting that I am a liar? I only repeat scientific knowledge and only what I do know, though I am wrong sometimes, I do not lie about it.
ARGUING with IDIOTS

United States

#18 Jun 8, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>So then why are you asserting that I am a liar? I only repeat scientific knowledge and only what I do know, though I am wrong sometimes, I do not lie about it.
You lie about the positions of those that challenge your views!

I can see you have more than a basic understanding of the subjects you discuss. By no means will I claim that you are stupid. That you are educated and can present good arguments there is no need for you to misrepresent others positions. You have more to offer than that.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#19 Jun 8, 2012
ARGUING with IDIOTS wrote:
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You lie about the positions of those that challenge your views!
I can see you have more than a basic understanding of the subjects you discuss. By no means will I claim that you are stupid. That you are educated and can present good arguments there is no need for you to misrepresent others positions. You have more to offer than that.
To make an assertion a lie, one would have to know the truth first. I did not lie, I may have been wrong but until you stated your position clearly then it is up for interpretation, and based on your notions, my interpretation is perfectly valid until you state otherwise.
ARGUING with IDIOTS

United States

#20 Jun 8, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>To make an assertion a lie, one would have to know the truth first. I did not lie, I may have been wrong but until you stated your position clearly then it is up for interpretation, and based on your notions, my interpretation is perfectly valid until you state otherwise.
Then you will afford me the same standard to apply for you?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#21 Jun 8, 2012
ARGUING with IDIOTS wrote:
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Then you will afford me the same standard to apply for you?
Certainly. My evidence for this is that there is no evidence to state otherwise. For the assertion that life came from non-life to be true, there would have to be evidence to contradict it. We can trace the history of the Earth back to a point where no life existed, but even without that, there was a time the Earth did not exist, and therefore no life could have existed on a non-existent planet.

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