Teacher says atheism cost him job

Apr 18, 2013 Full story: The Otago Daily Times 9

Mr Roy has taken a case to the Employment Relations Authority claiming he was constructively and unjustifiably dismissed because of his atheist beliefs.

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EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#1 Apr 21, 2013
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm...
"...Staff at Mr Ngaro's office said he was busy in meetings today and would not be able to return calls."
I've met a teacher (in the UK) who hasn't taken legal action but who felt obliged to 'move-on' due to the 'Christian ethos' of a school. And I've met a scout-leader who doesn't insist on the Scout Promise as it stands due to the 'god content'.

Religion has no place in education and shouldn't be allowed to segregate children
Imhotep

United States

#2 Apr 21, 2013
Blasphemy is a victimless crime

Since: Sep 10

Earth

#3 Apr 21, 2013
And the only people who have to obey a religion are those who belong to it.

Isn't it interesting how the religitards want tyranny of the majority when their own group is the majority (and the ability to oppress others with "laws"), but then whine about "respect!" and "rights!" when their own group is the minority (e.g. muslims in the US, christians in Egypt).

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Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#4 Apr 25, 2013
Abstinence makes the church grow fondlers.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#5 Apr 27, 2013
This story is still too common in the world.
Lincoln

United States

#6 Apr 28, 2013
sad

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#7 Apr 28, 2013
EdSed wrote:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/n ews/article.cfm?c_id=1&obj ectid=10878447
"...Staff at Mr Ngaro's office said he was busy in meetings today and would not be able to return calls."
I've met a teacher (in the UK) who hasn't taken legal action but who felt obliged to 'move-on' due to the 'Christian ethos' of a school. And I've met a scout-leader who doesn't insist on the Scout Promise as it stands due to the 'god content'.
Religion has no place in education and shouldn't be allowed to segregate children
Interesting case. But it appears the atheist teacher took a job at an overtly religious college, knowing what he was in for.

I agree, religion has no place at all, in education (in fact, that's an oxymoron--religious education).

But some colleges do push religion above all else, and an overtly atheist really would not find it useful to try to get a job in such a place, in my opinion.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#8 Apr 29, 2013
"...wouldn't comment on the school's policy on religion.."
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Interesting case. But it appears the atheist teacher took a job at an overtly religious college, knowing what he was in for.
I agree, religion has no place at all, in education (in fact, that's an oxymoron--religious education).
But some colleges do push religion above all else, and an overtly atheist really would not find it useful to try to get a job in such a place, in my opinion.
Not sure I agree with you there, Bob. People should abide by employment legislation. We don't have many details of the case, but the school did need to 'settle'.

It is important to the children's welfare and for society for children to be educated together. We're all for freedom of choice, obviously, but that has to be balanced with the risks of segregation and descrimination. The child and society will suffer if the school is unreasonably religious,(or racist or any other "ism"). One's religion or lack of any shouldn't seriously affect employment at a SCHOOL, only an 'unethical indoctrination centre'. Society must ultimately decide through employment laws where the lines are drawn.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#9 Apr 29, 2013
EdSed wrote:
"...wouldn't comment on the school's policy on religion.."
<quoted text>Not sure I agree with you there, Bob. People should abide by employment legislation. We don't have many details of the case, but the school did need to 'settle'.

It is important to the children's welfare and for society for children to be educated together. We're all for freedom of choice, obviously, but that has to be balanced with the risks of segregation and descrimination. The child and society will suffer if the school is unreasonably religious,(or racist or any other "ism"). One's religion or lack of any shouldn't seriously affect employment at a SCHOOL, only an 'unethical indoctrination centre'. Society must ultimately decide through employment laws where the lines are drawn.
Here in the USA? A non-public school or university, that is, one entirely funded within itself, taking no state or federal monies, is able to "teach" pretty much any damn thing they like, without a lot of oversight.

Of course, if they do not meet certain standards of practice, they don't get accreditation. But some parents and students don't care about that, claiming it's "elitist".

I do not know how it is in the UK, though, but here in the USA? If the school was entirely privately funded, they would be within their rights to discriminate against a non-theist.

But public schools/universities? Cannot do that, nor can they discriminate against a theist either-- although they >>can<< expect the said professor to meet standard practice within his or her teaching field, that is, he/she cannot teach creationism as science.

But state/national universities tend to be quite secular anyhow, and it's never a real problem-- usually the theist who is also a creationist has broken so many OTHER rules? That it never gets down to the course content. Michael Behe is an excellent example: he was fired because he was a sh7t teacher; he never did really make the grade to qualify as a science teacher, and was sacked.

He did turn that failure into a sort of "lemonade" by "converting" to creationism-- rather convenient, that-- he wrote a very silly book (long since debunked) and made a mint selling that swill to idiots (creationists).

Things may be different in the UK, though.

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