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Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad

There are 3146 comments on the Examiner.com story from Sep 14, 2013, titled Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad. In it, Examiner.com reports that:

"The God of the Qur'an is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

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Thinking

Blaenau-ffestiniog, UK

#1991 Jan 18, 2014
I've never wanted to see hairs in my cornflakes... beard tax. That's the way out of deficit.
ChristineM wrote:
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Actually I was surprised at DLT. My father knew him in the late 60’s/early 70’s in Manchester. He was just one of the boys, acted as you’d expect a “celeb” to act and gave not the slightest hint that he was (possibly) a perve. They kept in touch for a while and as a kid I met him a couple of times, I remember him as overbearing, perhaps because of the hairy face but nothing else.
Don’t know about Hall, JT, Star or Rolf. I never really considered any of them entertainers. In the case of Hall, Star and JT I saw it on the news and it took a while to even register who they were.
I only knew the name Rolf Harris because although I’d seen him on TV a few times he had been on the breakfast show a few months earlier where his name register.
Just shows how much attention I pay to the cult of celebrity.

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#1992 Jan 18, 2014
Atheist Silurist wrote:
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How can anyone give islam a worse image than it already gives itself?
Religion stinks,but islam stinks most of all. It dehumanizes women,it has no tolerance for non-believers,and that is demonstrated clearly by those countries who have the death penalty for being an Atheist.It is no coincident that they are all muslim countries.
Call me selfish,but I don't want to live under an ideology that would have me murdered for my non-belief. It is in my interest to appose it with every fiber of my being,My life may depend on it. It is also in the interest of anyone who isn't a muslim. The radical muslim cretins rule the roost,so much so,that the more "moderate"muslims are scared shit-less to appose them because they know all too well that they,too,are of danger of losing their own lives.
Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining. It is blatantly obvious for anyone with eyes to see that islam is causing the death of tens of thousands of muslims by the hands of other muslims.
So you probably was the smartest one in your school ??

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#1993 Jan 18, 2014
Scholar_of_PISSLAM wrote:
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Islam gives itself a bad image, illustrated by the actions of Muslims.
Name one other religion on the entire planet that resorts to killing people to further its aims.
Just ONE.
you cannot say Islam is illustrated by the actions of Muslims, such a claim proves nothing but your lack of knowledge and your poor skills in making a fair or decent dialogue.

you have to know that interpreting Quranic verses and extracting rules is a science and like any subject in science if you tried to understand it without the necessary tools; you'll get lost or end up throwing childish nonsense accusations.

you have an open invitation to ask any question about Islam or to start a fair dialogue if you are willing to know the true message of Islam.

“Be strong ...”

Since: Nov 10

...I whispered to my coffee

#1994 Jan 18, 2014
Thinking wrote:
I've never wanted to see hairs in my cornflakes... beard tax. That's the way out of deficit.
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Good for straining the used dimps out of next morning’s beer though

“Be strong ...”

Since: Nov 10

...I whispered to my coffee

#1995 Jan 18, 2014
Scholar_of_PISSLAM wrote:
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Islam gives itself a bad image, illustrated by the actions of Muslims.
Name one other religion on the entire planet that resorts to killing people to further its aims.
Just ONE.
Christianity???

Not as bad but just as guilty

“Be strong ...”

Since: Nov 10

...I whispered to my coffee

#1996 Jan 18, 2014
Atheist Silurist wrote:
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How can anyone give islam a worse image than it already gives itself?
Religion stinks,but islam stinks most of all. It dehumanizes women,it has no tolerance for non-believers,and that is demonstrated clearly by those countries who have the death penalty for being an Atheist.It is no coincident that they are all muslim countries.
Call me selfish,but I don't want to live under an ideology that would have me murdered for my non-belief. It is in my interest to appose it with every fiber of my being,My life may depend on it. It is also in the interest of anyone who isn't a muslim. The radical muslim cretins rule the roost,so much so,that the more "moderate"muslims are scared shit-less to appose them because they know all too well that they,too,are of danger of losing their own lives.
Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining. It is blatantly obvious for anyone with eyes to see that islam is causing the death of tens of thousands of muslims by the hands of other muslims.
Great observation with fair and valid comment.
Mahmood

Keswick, Canada

#1997 Jan 18, 2014
hazem selawi wrote:
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you cannot say Islam is illustrated by the actions of Muslims, such a claim proves nothing but your lack of knowledge and your poor skills in making a fair or decent dialogue.
you have to know that interpreting Quranic verses and extracting rules is a science and like any subject in science if you tried to understand it without the necessary tools; you'll get lost or end up throwing childish nonsense accusations.
you have an open invitation to ask any question about Islam or to start a fair dialogue if you are willing to know the true message of Islam.
Interpretation of the Koran is flawed and not a science based on spurious and sketchy sunnahs & hadiths. There are varying opionions on many verses between scholars. Muslim jurists have taken it upon themselves to attach meaning to verses as they deem fit. It's not unusual for Ibn Kathir to end his commentry with the sentence "Allah knows best", which tells us that even he is not sure.

“Evil Atheist :-)”

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#1998 Jan 18, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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Christianity???
Not as bad but just as guilty
Considering Christianities past and the stories coming out of Africa, I'd consider Christianity worse.

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#1999 Jan 19, 2014
Mahmood wrote:
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Interpretation of the Koran is flawed and not a science based on spurious and sketchy sunnahs & hadiths. There are varying opionions on many verses between scholars. Muslim jurists have taken it upon themselves to attach meaning to verses as they deem fit. It's not unusual for Ibn Kathir to end his commentry with the sentence "Allah knows best", which tells us that even he is not sure.
you should consider the difference in opinions as flexibility, hence the opinion of a scholar depends on the situation, and in each cases the scholar should build up his opinion based on evidences from Sunnah and Quran.

you cannot say its not a science becuase its actually a science and you too dont have the least necessary tools to judge if whether its right or wrong.

its like you or me jumping to Algebra before learning the 1+1=2, in other words you don't get to judge Muslim scientists scholars.
Atheist Silurist

Newcastle Upon Tyne, UK

#2000 Jan 19, 2014
hazem selawi wrote:
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you should consider the difference in opinions as flexibility, hence the opinion of a scholar depends on the situation, and in each cases the scholar should build up his opinion based on evidences from Sunnah and Quran.
you cannot say its not a science becuase its actually a science and you too dont have the least necessary tools to judge if whether its right or wrong.
its like you or me jumping to Algebra before learning the 1+1=2, in other words you don't get to judge Muslim scientists scholars.
Yeah,but that's a load of bollocks,isn't it?

“Be strong ...”

Since: Nov 10

...I whispered to my coffee

#2001 Jan 19, 2014
Igor Trip wrote:
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Considering Christianities past and the stories coming out of Africa, I'd consider Christianity worse.
If you include 2000 years of history then of course.

The atrocities in Africa are pretty much a mishmash of christian and muslim, depends which but of Africa you look

“Be strong ...”

Since: Nov 10

...I whispered to my coffee

#2002 Jan 19, 2014
hazem selawi wrote:
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you should consider the difference in opinions as flexibility, hence the opinion of a scholar depends on the situation, and in each cases the scholar should build up his opinion based on evidences from Sunnah and Quran.
you cannot say its not a science becuase its actually a science and you too dont have the least necessary tools to judge if whether its right or wrong.
its like you or me jumping to Algebra before learning the 1+1=2, in other words you don't get to judge Muslim scientists scholars.
Science requires falsifiable evidence to be identified as science, the quran does not provide such, it provided guesswork and opinion (and downright proven lies) that are open to interpretation (much interpretation) by whichever scholar you chose to mention.

You are free to call that science if that what turns you on but it is a false premise
Mahmood

Keswick, Canada

#2003 Jan 19, 2014
hazem selawi wrote:
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you should consider the difference in opinions as flexibility, hence the opinion of a scholar depends on the situation, and in each cases the scholar should build up his opinion based on evidences from Sunnah and Quran.
you cannot say its not a science becuase its actually a science and you too dont have the least necessary tools to judge if whether its right or wrong.
its like you or me jumping to Algebra before learning the 1+1=2, in other words you don't get to judge Muslim scientists scholars.
Sunnah is flawed and shoddy evidence. In fact it's no evidence at all. Sunnah & Hadiths were collected hundreds of after the fact and it's hearsay. There could be some elements of truth within the sunnah, but we cannot be sure. If you choose to call it a science, then go for it. Differences in opinion is not flexibility but guesswork.
Mahmood

Keswick, Canada

#2004 Jan 19, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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Science requires falsifiable evidence to be identified as science, the quran does not provide such, it provided guesswork and opinion (and downright proven lies) that are open to interpretation (much interpretation) by whichever scholar you chose to mention.
You are free to call that science if that what turns you on but it is a false premise
You explained it better than I.

“Be strong ...”

Since: Nov 10

...I whispered to my coffee

#2005 Jan 19, 2014
Mahmood wrote:
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You explained it better than I.
No so sure about that, yours is more to the point on the doubt and mistrust raised by the hadiths and sunnahs etc. Mine touches on the meaning of science and why faith can never be identified as science because it is not falsifiable. Both are equally as valid but from opposite side of the street (as it were)
Jim

London, UK

#2006 Jan 19, 2014
hazem selawi wrote:
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you should consider the difference in opinions as flexibility, hence the opinion of a scholar depends on the situation, and in each cases the scholar should build up his opinion based on evidences from Sunnah and Quran.
you cannot say its not a science becuase its actually a science and you too dont have the least necessary tools to judge if whether its right or wrong.
its like you or me jumping to Algebra before learning the 1+1=2, in other words you don't get to judge Muslim scientists scholars.
Are you pretending to not know that you have no evidence of god? or are you just genuinely that stupid?

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#2007 Jan 19, 2014
Mahmood wrote:
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Sunnah is flawed and shoddy evidence. In fact it's no evidence at all. Sunnah & Hadiths were collected hundreds of after the fact and it's hearsay. There could be some elements of truth within the sunnah, but we cannot be sure. If you choose to call it a science, then go for it. Differences in opinion is not flexibility but guesswork.
you are making the same mistake again, it would be lovely if you shared with me what you know About science of Hadith ??! you cannot just say Hadiths were collected hundreds of after and thats it.

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#2008 Jan 19, 2014
Jim wrote:
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Are you pretending to not know that you have no evidence of god? or are you just genuinely that stupid?
LOL..!! you are funny, I think the islamic teachings by itself is a proof of god hence such teachings can never be made by a man, not to mention the numerous scientific miracles in the Quran, which is also with no question isn't a work of a man.

I can prove to you that the Quran is the true word of the creator, if you promised to read and try to understand those proofs objectively.

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#2009 Jan 19, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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Science requires falsifiable evidence to be identified as science, the quran does not provide such, it provided guesswork and opinion (and downright proven lies) that are open to interpretation (much interpretation) by whichever scholar you chose to mention.
You are free to call that science if that what turns you on but it is a false premise
science:- is a subject that is formally studied in a college, university..etc
- a department of systematized knowledge as an object of study.
- something (as a sport or technique) that may be studied or learned like systematized knowledge.

if we ignored the Islamic method to explain both Quran and Sunnah, it will be a mess and if Islam truly works this way I would have left it years ago.

so if you are really convinced that Islamic teachings are open to interpretation and any scholar can just come up and say whatever he wants, then you too don't have the very minimum necessary tools to interpret Quranic verses and you certainly dont have the right to throw accusations at the Quran, at this stage you only get to ask questions and the very first question should be what Islam is..!!

and if any scholar came out interpreted or extracted a rule from Quran or Sunnah without taking in consideration the agreed on and used method we should blame the scholar not Islam, because its clearly not Islam's fault.

you already made it clear that the way you interpret Quranic verses is completely wrong and certainly contradicts in every possible way the rules of Tafsir (interpreting) science; for instance you read "Strike women" and take it as it is and jumped up saying the Quran teaches to hit women, you again read kill the unbelievers and thought that the Quran tells us to kill everybody who isn't a Muslim.

you gotta admit that if we as Muslims didn't have a specific method to follow and every Muslim applied the Quran the way he/she like it our Islamic culture wouldn't be able to survive through 1400 years, you must have read a lot about different cultures and how these cultures were defeated and disappeared without a trace.

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#2010 Jan 19, 2014
Atheist Silurist wrote:
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Yeah,but that's a load of bollocks,isn't it?
If I were you I would also see it as a load of bollocks..!!
and remember that is exactly what a 4 years old boy would say when he sees numbers the first time, the point is you still need a lot to find out about how rules are extracted from Quran, you actually know nothing about the whole religion, you probably depend on fake resources or made a complete false image about Islam in your head and after that you showed up and said "How can anyone give islam a worse image than it already gives itself? Religion stinks,but islam stinks most of all. "

How dare you ???!! I suppose you are a civilized person but didn't anyone teach you to understand the other part point of view before throwing blind accusations ??

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