Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad

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"The God of the Qur'an is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

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#1880 Jan 8, 2014
Mahmood wrote:
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What is the need for the almighty creator & sustainer of this universe to curse someone. Would it be fair to say that Allah is someone's alter ego.? Only an angry and upset individual will say things like that.
Alla is merciful, all forgiving and Just, lets suppose someone you really love was raped or killed for no reason ; would Allah be Just if he leave those bad people with no punishments ?? Just like others ??!
how about the rights of the victims ?? God gave us the freedom of choice, and some people take bad decisions, you should open your eyes and realize that we are living in a corrupted world nowadays , some people kill babies, some rape, steal and torture.
even animals , trees , seas and oceans are being threatened because of some people actions.

trust me everyone knows the difference between right and wrong, thats why I told Islam is a relationship between you and the creator, when you realize that there is Allah the almighty watching you all the time , you'll keep in mind that everything you do will be questioned by him, and that hopefully will lead you to do good in your life.
Thinking

Stalbridge, UK

#1881 Jan 8, 2014
How many versions of the name lincoln are left to block?

I wouldn't delete lincoln's posts myself. I remember the 180 he did when he admitted that Dawkins had always been the sort of rational Atheist that is technically agnostic.
Jim wrote:
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Whenever we insult LCN, the Creationist Cult Member, he sh*t's spam.
Jim

London, UK

#1882 Jan 8, 2014
Lnc wrote:
The USA is multicultural with toleration for those who have different ideas
Día de Reyes is a traditional day of celebration in Mexico and many Latin countries, as it is in many parts of the U.S., with its 50 million-plus Hispanic population.
In Mexico and other places, children receive gifts on this day, brought by the three wise men – this in addition to presents from Santa Claus.
Go on shove us some more spam you Creationist Cult Member. What will it be today?

Probably more news about your demi-gods: The Queen the Pope & Reagan.
Jim

London, UK

#1883 Jan 8, 2014
Thinking wrote:
How many versions of the name lincoln are left to block?
I wouldn't delete lincoln's posts myself. I remember the 180 he did when he admitted that Dawkins had always been the sort of rational Atheist that is technically agnostic.
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Yeah classic LCN, memory like a fish - he calls all Atheists genocidal maniacs, tried to lie about Einstein, Dawkins, Evolution, then when shown the facts, he starts spamming the forum with articles about the Queen & the Pope.

Creationists are always out to Evanglicise through fraudulent means.
Jim

London, UK

#1884 Jan 8, 2014
hazem selawi wrote:
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Alla is merciful, all forgiving and Just, lets suppose someone you really love was raped or killed for no reason ; would Allah be Just if he leave those bad people with no punishments ?? Just like others ??!
how about the rights of the victims ?? God gave us the freedom of choice, and some people take bad decisions, you should open your eyes and realize that we are living in a corrupted world nowadays , some people kill babies, some rape, steal and torture.
even animals , trees , seas and oceans are being threatened because of some people actions.
trust me everyone knows the difference between right and wrong, thats why I told Islam is a relationship between you and the creator, when you realize that there is Allah the almighty watching you all the time , you'll keep in mind that everything you do will be questioned by him, and that hopefully will lead you to do good in your life.
When you have evidence of god, you won't need to lie so much about it.
Sam

Somerset, KY

#1885 Jan 8, 2014
This threads author can expect to be raped by God for taking His name in vain!!!. He needs to get a Bible and read the Third commandment where it says that God will not hold you guiltless for taking His name in vain. Boy I learnt my lesson on this!!!, please let me explain, when I was a Teenager, I would kind of blame God for something that went wrong, then I would shout out to God to perform oral sex on me so to speak. When I turned 20, I grew out of this habit, feeling sorry for what I did at times. 2 years later, on a rainy Spring day, I asked God for a wife, just a simple one mind you. 5 months later, He gave me a rotten wh**e, God gave me a real bad woman!!!. So let this be a lesson to all you folks out there, GOD WILL LITERALLY RAPE YOU IF YOU TAKE HIS NAME IN VAIN!!!, HE WILL F**K YOU!!!, like He done me. God is unforgivable, I can say He is!!!. Now I can forgive someone that tells me to perform oral sex on them, like this one boy in high school for example, Jesse was His name, I forgave Him fine and dandy and that rotten Scumbag in Heaven knows it!!!. The point is, I can forgive but God can't, so that makes me better and stronger then Him!!!. Besides, God gives wives to people that kills, cons, abuses, and makes them do deviant sexual acts for them, God will give a wife to someone like that, He won't give a wife to someone that will take care of Her!!!. Of course, I didn't let old God get away with raping me and putting me through the mill, NO SIR RE!!!. I PUT IT TO HIM NOW!!!.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#1886 Jan 8, 2014
Thinking wrote:
I didn't know the pushchair story, that must have felt awful.
Our guide's bus got robbed in Cairo "whilst the driver was guarding it". You're not allowed to take cameras into the Egyptian museum so we'd left them in the attended bus. I was sure it was an inside job and said so. Another driver squared up to me but I didn't back down. The police were going to turn a blind eye until they realised the PR abilities of my wife were going to lose them business with the holiday operator so we magically we got £8k of Leica back the next week, although we lost phones, memory sticks and sunglasses. In order to get the camera back, my wife had to buy the right to reside in Egypt in order to file legal papers. The cost:£3. I've never seen bureaucracy like it.
A couple of years ago I got threatened in a petrol station by a fat weirdy beardy and his obligatory skinny mate for wearing this t-shirt:
http://www.redmolotov.com/catalogue/tshirts/g...
So I have had more grief with muslims. But living in the Chilterns I don't have to see many of them. If I go into High Wycombe, my experiences with muslims have been good and it is very clear that the youngsters are not nearly into their religion as much as their parents are. Adherence will fade in a generation or so like it has with christianity.
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It was awful, the feeling of helpless terror stays with you,- thank you god for your tolerant and understanding followers. Sarcasm can be a wonderful thing

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#1887 Jan 8, 2014
hazem selawi wrote:
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it seems like you spent your life eating pork
Yum yum
Jim

London, UK

#1888 Jan 8, 2014
Sam wrote:
This threads author can expect to be raped by God for taking His name in vain!!!. He needs to get a Bible and read the Third commandment where it says that God will not hold you guiltless for taking His name in vain. Boy I learnt my lesson on this!!!, please let me explain, when I was a Teenager, I would kind of blame God for something that went wrong, then I would shout out to God to perform oral sex on me so to speak. When I turned 20, I grew out of this habit, feeling sorry for what I did at times. 2 years later, on a rainy Spring day, I asked God for a wife, just a simple one mind you. 5 months later, He gave me a rotten wh**e, God gave me a real bad woman!!!. So let this be a lesson to all you folks out there, GOD WILL LITERALLY RAPE YOU IF YOU TAKE HIS NAME IN VAIN!!!, HE WILL F**K YOU!!!, like He done me. God is unforgivable, I can say He is!!!. Now I can forgive someone that tells me to perform oral sex on them, like this one boy in high school for example, Jesse was His name, I forgave Him fine and dandy and that rotten Scumbag in Heaven knows it!!!. The point is, I can forgive but God can't, so that makes me better and stronger then Him!!!. Besides, God gives wives to people that kills, cons, abuses, and makes them do deviant sexual acts for them, God will give a wife to someone like that, He won't give a wife to someone that will take care of Her!!!. Of course, I didn't let old God get away with raping me and putting me through the mill, NO SIR RE!!!. I PUT IT TO HIM NOW!!!.
And you wonder why your reilgion is failing.

Since: Oct 13

Location hidden

#1889 Jan 8, 2014
Igor Trip wrote:
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I'm still waiting for a decent explanation of how 18:86 can possibly work as a metaphor.
"And they ask you,[O Muhammad], about Dhul-Qarnayn. Say, "I will recite to you about him a report, Indeed We established him upon the earth, and We gave him to everything a way,
So he followed a way, Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people. Allah said, "O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish [them] or else adopt among them [a way of] goodness."

-we should read the Quran carefully, Al Sahih translation says he found it (as if) setting in a spring of dark mud, But why did they translate it this way ?? and added (as if)
the key word in this verse is the word Found , Found is originally translated from the Arabic word Wajadaha , Wajadaha is the past verb of Wajada, so when we say thualqarnayn wajadaha (found the sun) ; wajadaha describes the situation or the condition of thulqarnayn.

- we can easily understand that thulqarnayn spoke with those people at that place , so how is it possible for him or for those people to live near the sun ?!! that if the verse actually means the sun sets in a muddy spring, beside if thul qarnayn was able to reach the place where the sun sets in a muddy spring , then according to your logic he should also be able to see the sun rising from a specific place, obviously because the Quran tells us that thul-qarnayn also reached to the sunrise

"Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had not made against it any shield. " 18:90

he found it (the sun )rising on a people, so why doesn't the Quran say that the Sun also rises from a muddy spring and instead it says that he found the sun rising on people ?!!

so those two verses are describing thu-qarnayn and what appeared to him ; when he reached that place he found the sun setting in a muddy spring and when he went to that other place he saw the sun rising on people.

-the sunset and the sunrise even in our language and any language in the world refer to time, so we never say I am going to the movies when the earth rotates and the sunlight will no longer be seen, we might simply say I am going to the movies after the sunset or I go to work after the sunrise, so that would mean thu-al Qarnayn reached to those people at the time of sunset so he saw the sun as it is setting in a muddy spring and again reached to the other people at the time of sunrise and saw the sun as it was rising on them.

Igor Trip wrote:
<quoted text>
Apart from the fact that even Israeli archaeologists can't find any evidence for the existence of Moses or any Jewish tribe in Egypt, It doesn't say much for his preaching if his people prefer a golden calf.
Yes exactly Israelis , Jews and Christians may have agreed that Moses story was only a story to encourage the troops or so on, I think we previously discussed the reason behind Maurice buqaille's converting to Islam, you should read his book the bible, the Quran and science, he states that the bible has numerous scientific errors while the Quran has none.
Jim

London, UK

#1890 Jan 8, 2014
hazem selawi wrote:
<quoted text>
"And they ask you,[O Muhammad], about Dhul-Qarnayn. Say, "I will recite to you about him a report, Indeed We established him upon the earth, and We gave him to everything a way,
So he followed a way, Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people. Allah said, "O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish [them] or else adopt among them [a way of] goodness."
-we should read the Quran carefully, Al Sahih translation says he found it (as if) setting in a spring of dark mud, But why did they translate it this way ?? and added (as if)
the key word in this verse is the word Found , Found is originally translated from the Arabic word Wajadaha , Wajadaha is the past verb of Wajada, so when we say thualqarnayn wajadaha (found the sun) ; wajadaha describes the situation or the condition of thulqarnayn.
- we can easily understand that thulqarnayn spoke with those people at that place , so how is it possible for him or for those people to live near the sun ?!! that if the verse actually means the sun sets in a muddy spring, beside if thul qarnayn was able to reach the place where the sun sets in a muddy spring , then according to your logic he should also be able to see the sun rising from a specific place, obviously because the Quran tells us that thul-qarnayn also reached to the sunrise
"Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had not made against it any shield. " 18:90
he found it (the sun )rising on a people, so why doesn't the Quran say that the Sun also rises from a muddy spring and instead it says that he found the sun rising on people ?!!
so those two verses are describing thu-qarnayn and what appeared to him ; when he reached that place he found the sun setting in a muddy spring and when he went to that other place he saw the sun rising on people.
-the sunset and the sunrise even in our language and any language in the world refer to time, so we never say I am going to the movies when the earth rotates and the sunlight will no longer be seen, we might simply say I am going to the movies after the sunset or I go to work after the sunrise, so that would mean thu-al Qarnayn reached to those people at the time of sunset so he saw the sun as it is setting in a muddy spring and again reached to the other people at the time of sunrise and saw the sun as it was rising on them.
<quoted text>
Yes exactly Israelis , Jews and Christians may have agreed that Moses story was only a story to encourage the troops or so on, I think we previously discussed the reason behind Maurice buqaille's converting to Islam, you should read his book the bible, the Quran and science, he states that the bible has numerous scientific errors while the Quran has none.
Rejected screenplay from the remake of the Flintstones Movie.

Since: Oct 13

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#1891 Jan 8, 2014
Igor Trip wrote:
<quoted text>
Not only do those stories lack important details they are also very weak on rules and signs.
They're what we would expect from someone who had heard the stories but couldn't remember the details.
40:78 "And We have already sent messengers before you. Among them are those [whose stories] We have related to you, and among them are those [whose stories] We have not related to you. And it was not for any messenger to bring a sign [or verse] except by permission of Allah . So when the command of Allah comes, it will be concluded in truth, and the falsifiers will thereupon lose [all]."

the verse states that among those prophets Allah have related only the stories of some of them.
those stories don't lack in details, it tell us the information we need to know and leave some room for other things to be discovered at another time, because its supposed to be miraculous at anytime and any place.
Igor Trip wrote:
<quoted text>
How can dying in child birth be a test?
Sorry but your answer is exactly the sort of bad argument that puts me off religion.
I suggest you read verses starting from 18:65 to 18:82
the story of Moses and al-khadir, it may give you a small hint about how faith works.

Since: Oct 13

Location hidden

#1892 Jan 8, 2014
Sam wrote:
This threads author can expect to be raped by God for taking His name in vain!!!. He needs to get a Bible and read the Third commandment where it says that God will not hold you guiltless for taking His name in vain. Boy I learnt my lesson on this!!!, please let me explain, when I was a Teenager, I would kind of blame God for something that went wrong, then I would shout out to God to perform oral sex on me so to speak. When I turned 20, I grew out of this habit, feeling sorry for what I did at times. 2 years later, on a rainy Spring day, I asked God for a wife, just a simple one mind you. 5 months later, He gave me a rotten wh**e, God gave me a real bad woman!!!. So let this be a lesson to all you folks out there, GOD WILL LITERALLY RAPE YOU IF YOU TAKE HIS NAME IN VAIN!!!, HE WILL F**K YOU!!!, like He done me. God is unforgivable, I can say He is!!!. Now I can forgive someone that tells me to perform oral sex on them, like this one boy in high school for example, Jesse was His name, I forgave Him fine and dandy and that rotten Scumbag in Heaven knows it!!!. The point is, I can forgive but God can't, so that makes me better and stronger then Him!!!. Besides, God gives wives to people that kills, cons, abuses, and makes them do deviant sexual acts for them, God will give a wife to someone like that, He won't give a wife to someone that will take care of Her!!!. Of course, I didn't let old God get away with raping me and putting me through the mill, NO SIR RE!!!. I PUT IT TO HIM NOW!!!.
But Maybe god did listen to your prayers and gave you a good Wife, you are not looking hard enough, from the way you talk ; you may give anyone an impression that you are not that simple or that good, thus if your wife was too simple or too good , she wouldn't be able to live with someone who tells god to perform oral sex ..!!!
Jim

London, UK

#1893 Jan 8, 2014
hazem selawi wrote:
<quoted text>
40:78 "And We have already sent messengers before you. Among them are those [whose stories] We have related to you, and among them are those [whose stories] We have not related to you. And it was not for any messenger to bring a sign [or verse] except by permission of Allah . So when the command of Allah comes, it will be concluded in truth, and the falsifiers will thereupon lose [all]."
the verse states that among those prophets Allah have related only the stories of some of them.
those stories don't lack in details, it tell us the information we need to know and leave some room for other things to be discovered at another time, because its supposed to be miraculous at anytime and any place.
<quoted text>
I suggest you read verses starting from 18:65 to 18:82
the story of Moses and al-khadir, it may give you a small hint about how faith works.
To make it seem more authentic, the mentally ill wrap their lunacy in numbers.
Jim

London, UK

#1894 Jan 8, 2014
hazem selawi wrote:
<quoted text>
But Maybe god did listen to your prayers and gave you a good Wife, you are not looking hard enough, from the way you talk ; you may give anyone an impression that you are not that simple or that good, thus if your wife was too simple or too good , she wouldn't be able to live with someone who tells god to perform oral sex ..!!!
There's no such thing as god. What do they do to liars in your culture?
Lnc

United States

#1895 Jan 8, 2014
Facing Terror attacks while the US and UK are withdrawing troops from the Islamic world

Syria’s Minister of Information Umran Ahid al-Zabi said on Tuesday that the same forces had been behind the bombing attacks in Syria, Iraq and Russia. These attacks, in his words, were plotted and directed from a single centre.

0“Syria, Iraq and Russia have the legal right to take all necessary measures to protect their national security,” he said.“If a party has billions of dollars at its disposal, it does not mean that it can stage terrorist attacks here or there scot-free.”

0He stressed that it was inadmissible to discriminate between “moderate and radical” terrorists.“Anyone who bears arms against the state is a terrorist for us, regardless of nuances,” he said.

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Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_01_08/Terr...
Lnc

United States

#1896 Jan 8, 2014
Of interest in the news -- Iraq
BAGHDAD: In his first Christmas address on Wednesday, Pope Francis in the Vatican City said “heal the wounds of the beloved country of Iraq.”

Meanwhile, attacks including bombs that exploded in a market near a church in Baghdad, killed at least 44 people across Iraq on Wednesday, officials said.

“Two roadside bombs exploded in a popular market in Dura, killing 35 people and wounding 56,” interior ministry spokesman Saad Maan told reporters, referring to a religiously mixed south Baghdad area.

Security officials had initially said that a car bomb targeted the St. John church in Baghdad in addition to the market blasts, but Maan, along with a priest from the area and the Chaldean patriarch, all later denied this.

“The attack was against a... market and not a church,” Maan said, while adding that “the targeted area is a mix of Muslims and Christians.”

Other attacks on Wednesday left nine more people dead.

Agence France-Presse
Mahmood

Markham, Canada

#1897 Jan 8, 2014
hazem selawi wrote:
<quoted text>
Alla is merciful, all forgiving and Just, lets suppose someone you really love was raped or killed for no reason ; would Allah be Just if he leave those bad people with no punishments ?? Just like others ??!
how about the rights of the victims ?? God gave us the freedom of choice, and some people take bad decisions, you should open your eyes and realize that we are living in a corrupted world nowadays , some people kill babies, some rape, steal and torture.
even animals , trees , seas and oceans are being threatened because of some people actions.
trust me everyone knows the difference between right and wrong, thats why I told Islam is a relationship between you and the creator, when you realize that there is Allah the almighty watching you all the time , you'll keep in mind that everything you do will be questioned by him, and that hopefully will lead you to do good in your life.
Allah is merciful only on his own terms. Other than that, Richard Dawkins hit the nail on the head about Allah - vengeful, jealous, sadistic, demanding & unjust. What sort of a "god" is this who is so desperate & in need for worship? This god is nothing but a product of a human mind. Men for eons have questioned how this world came into being, who controls the climate, who created humans and animals, and with all these questions in mind, they formulated the concept of "God". But that is not all, they went a step further & formed what we call organized cults aka religion.
Lnc

United States

#1898 Jan 8, 2014
Atheists, Agnostics, Christians, Jews and Muslims

all fought for the NATO forces in Afghanistan and UK and US forces in Iraq.

We can honour them by getting along as people of different faiths.

We have more in common than our differences and the world needs

people committed to helping the poor and powerless.

Money for AIDS research would be a good start.

Point?
Thinking

Stalbridge, UK

#1899 Jan 8, 2014
You do know spam has pork in it?
hazem selawi wrote:
<quoted text>
"And they ask you,[O Muhammad], about Dhul-Qarnayn. Say, "I will recite to you about him a report, Indeed We established him upon the earth, and We gave him to everything a way,
So he followed a way, Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people. Allah said, "O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish [them] or else adopt among them [a way of] goodness."
-we should read the Quran carefully, Al Sahih translation says he found it (as if) setting in a spring of dark mud, But why did they translate it this way ?? and added (as if)
the key word in this verse is the word Found , Found is originally translated from the Arabic word Wajadaha , Wajadaha is the past verb of Wajada, so when we say thualqarnayn wajadaha (found the sun) ; wajadaha describes the situation or the condition of thulqarnayn.
- we can easily understand that thulqarnayn spoke with those people at that place , so how is it possible for him or for those people to live near the sun ?!! that if the verse actually means the sun sets in a muddy spring, beside if thul qarnayn was able to reach the place where the sun sets in a muddy spring , then according to your logic he should also be able to see the sun rising from a specific place, obviously because the Quran tells us that thul-qarnayn also reached to the sunrise
"Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had not made against it any shield. " 18:90
he found it (the sun )rising on a people, so why doesn't the Quran say that the Sun also rises from a muddy spring and instead it says that he found the sun rising on people ?!!
so those two verses are describing thu-qarnayn and what appeared to him ; when he reached that place he found the sun setting in a muddy spring and when he went to that other place he saw the sun rising on people.
-the sunset and the sunrise even in our language and any language in the world refer to time, so we never say I am going to the movies when the earth rotates and the sunlight will no longer be seen, we might simply say I am going to the movies after the sunset or I go to work after the sunrise, so that would mean thu-al Qarnayn reached to those people at the time of sunset so he saw the sun as it is setting in a muddy spring and again reached to the other people at the time of sunrise and saw the sun as it was rising on them.
<quoted text>
Yes exactly Israelis , Jews and Christians may have agreed that Moses story was only a story to encourage the troops or so on, I think we previously discussed the reason behind Maurice buqaille's converting to Islam, you should read his book the bible, the Quran and science, he states that the bible has numerous scientific errors while the Quran has none.

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