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Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad

There are 3049 comments on the Examiner.com story from Sep 14, 2013, titled Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad. In it, Examiner.com reports that:

"The God of the Qur'an is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

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Mahmood

Mississauga, Canada

#1820 Jan 5, 2014
hazem selawi wrote:
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I think what happened with you is a very natural thing because Shiat religion have so many fabricated teachings, a very weird fatwas and Exaggeration in the love of Ali (some Shias even made him god) Just like how Christians did with Jesus.
so that what drove you away from Islam and made you think that its a very weird and twisted religion, while you really know nothing about the original Islam, and the original teachings of Mohammed.
So why dont you share your knowledge about the "orignal Islam"? Since you claim I know nothing about it, let's begin effective today. To hell with Shia Islam.... I want to know about your brand of Islam.

“Evil Atheist :-)”

Since: Mar 07

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#1821 Jan 5, 2014
hazem selawi wrote:
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Mohammed (PBUH) married Aisha at the age of sex, and was sexually with her at the age of 9, I don't know where you get your info from, I think you have a very narrow mind to understand that even Mohammed's daughter got married at a very young age which make it clear that women at that time used to get married at a young age comparing to nowadays.
are you really that dump to take in consideration that women reach puberty faster in hot places ?!!
some girls in Africa reach puberty at the age of 6 or 7 , you are too brainwashed to understand anything
Have you any idea just how dangerous it is for a nine year old girl to give birth to a full sized baby?

"Risks for medical complications are greater for girls aged under 15, as an underdeveloped pelvis can lead to difficulties in childbirth. Obstructed labour is normally dealt with by Caesarean section in industrialized nations; however, in developing regions where medical services might be unavailable, it can lead to eclampsia, obstetric fistula, infant mortality, or maternal death.[2] For mothers who are older than fifteen, age in itself is not a risk factor, and poor outcomes are associated more with socioeconomic factors rather than with biology."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teenage_pregnanc...

"Eclampsia (Greek for "shining forth") is an acute and life-threatening complication of pregnancy, characterized by the appearance of tonic–clonic seizures, usually in a patient who has developed pre-eclampsia.(Pre-eclampsia and eclampsia are collectively called "hypertensive disorder of pregnancy" and "toxemia of pregnancy".)
Eclampsia includes seizures and coma that happen during pregnancy but are not due to pre-existing or organic brain disorders.[1]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclampsia

"Obstetric fistula (or vaginal fistula) is a medical condition in which a fistula (hole) develops between either the rectum and vagina (see rectovaginal fistula) or between the bladder and vagina (see vesicovaginal fistula) after severe or failed childbirth, when adequate medical care is not available.[1]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obstetric_fistul...
Thinking

Stalbridge, UK

#1822 Jan 5, 2014
Another empty threat from another empty religitard.

You massive nonce.
hazem selawi wrote:
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from now on be careful, whoever throw such accusations at Mohammed (PBUH) will never live happily, trust me its a promise.
it seems like you are used to talk about people you don't know and that says a lot about the house you grew up in.
Thinking

Stalbridge, UK

#1823 Jan 5, 2014
Thanks Igor. I think islam was designed to legitimise paedophilia and wife beating.
Igor Trip wrote:
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In case you're wondering where this claim comes from, it appears to be from a Shia scholar but there doesn't appear to be any hadiths to back this up so it's probably just the product of the disease mind of some dirty old men.
Thinking

Stalbridge, UK

#1824 Jan 5, 2014
As nutrition has improved over the centuries, I believe that it would have been even more dangerous for the raped Aisha to give birth in the 620s.
Igor Trip wrote:
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Have you any idea just how dangerous it is for a nine year old girl to give birth to a full sized baby?
"Risks for medical complications are greater for girls aged under 15, as an underdeveloped pelvis can lead to difficulties in childbirth. Obstructed labour is normally dealt with by Caesarean section in industrialized nations; however, in developing regions where medical services might be unavailable, it can lead to eclampsia, obstetric fistula, infant mortality, or maternal death.[2] For mothers who are older than fifteen, age in itself is not a risk factor, and poor outcomes are associated more with socioeconomic factors rather than with biology."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teenage_pregnanc...
"Eclampsia (Greek for "shining forth") is an acute and life-threatening complication of pregnancy, characterized by the appearance of tonic–clonic seizures, usually in a patient who has developed pre-eclampsia.(Pre-eclampsia and eclampsia are collectively called "hypertensive disorder of pregnancy" and "toxemia of pregnancy".)
Eclampsia includes seizures and coma that happen during pregnancy but are not due to pre-existing or organic brain disorders.[1]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclampsia
"Obstetric fistula (or vaginal fistula) is a medical condition in which a fistula (hole) develops between either the rectum and vagina (see rectovaginal fistula) or between the bladder and vagina (see vesicovaginal fistula) after severe or failed childbirth, when adequate medical care is not available.[1]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obstetric_fistul...

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#1825 Jan 6, 2014
LCNlin wrote:
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Often a combination of both, faith and science.
Life is complex
Peace
Faith should never interfere with science, such interference is a distortion of what science is and can only restrict the discovery of truth

Note not “Truth” with a capitol T as in the religious bastardisation of the word Truth that means that it sounds like its truth but the real truth as in the actual meaning of the word truth that means factually true

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#1826 Jan 6, 2014
hazem selawi wrote:
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faith isn't supposed to contradict with science, if it did then it must be a fake or a manipulated religion.
Supposed to?

So how does Adam and Eve not contradict DNA? There you go, the very first time human beings are mentioned in your god book contradicts science.

The abrahamic religions claim that the earth /universe was created in 6 days, science knows when the earth and universe were formed and it’s a lot more than 6 days, so the abrahamic religions co0ntradict cosmology and geology.

The qur’an indicates that the earth is the centre of the solar system so your faith contradicts astronomy and cosmology.

The qur’an specifies that the moon is a source of light so your faith contradicts the science of optics

The qur’an claims that only allah knows the gender of a foetus so you faith contradicts medical science.

The qur’an claims that bees eat fruit therefore your faith contradicts zoology

Conclusion your religion is either a fake of manipulated religion – your words.
Jim

London, UK

#1827 Jan 6, 2014
hazem selawi wrote:
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first of all I never mentioned morals, but if that what seemed I was doing to you then fine.
secondly what makes you different ?? maybe I am following my religion Blindly and never asked for a proof as you claimed or maybe because Islamic teachings are proofs and Islam is a proof by itself, on the other hand you are the one who is too Blind to realize that science isn't on your side either so stop hiding behind science and scientists.
Science is based on observation. To say Atheists are "hiding" behind observed reality (what is really there) is absurd and dishonest.

On the other hand, your beliefs are based on no facts and are whimsical delusions that you arrogantly and violently try to protect, yet are ultimately worthless.

You ask Atheists to insult the universe by denying its fundamental scientific realities.

Shame on your religious cult and shame on you.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#1828 Jan 6, 2014
hazem selawi wrote:
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Oh Am sorry you are not aggressive, you are rude.
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lets put all these things aside, if you were at a time of some prophet and witnessed a miracle like curing the blind and/or actual magic or walking on water or whatever ?? would you believe in god ?? the thing with miracles is to prove that no one can break the specific rules our world was created by, physics laws and ..etc
I know you dont believe in any prophets or any religion, just go answer the question straight forward.
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who told you so ?? where do you get this kind of information from ??
I think we lost a lot of human history after the flood.
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The difference between muslim scientists (or believers) and other agnostic and atheists scientists, is that we try to understand how god created this universe while atheists try to understand or find how the universe was created, I think in both ways we will get the same results; its the same research but under different terms.
We dont say god found the universe and thats it ..!!! its exactly the opposite god gave us minds to think, that is the goal of our existence after all, to use our minds and live the right way, humans we created to worship , and the term worship has a very wide scope, Working , reading , doing good ...etc point out to worshiping.
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How about Adam, Edris, Nouh, Houd and Saleh all of these were prophets before Abraham and all of them existed before the flood.
you can prove that someone built your house because you have receipts and a guarantee,..!! then how about your eyes, Ears and body haven't them been working since the day you were born ??!
If you don’t like half the population of the world having a point of view then WTF are you doing on a public thread? If you think a women stating facts about your god book and the laws it has fermented that you don’t want to acknowledge then WTF are you doing on a public thread?

If – IF? There is no if, it’s faith, you are asking me to believe in mythology because you believe in mythology. However if you have actual verified evidence that miracles can happen then I will consider the FACTS, obviously unlike you who takes such stories as an act of faith without evidence. If you think that fact as being rude then I feel sorry for you.

What flood? Oh, Noahs flood, never happened. Total impossibility, I once worked out how much water was needed, it’s several million times more than actually exists on earth. And of course scientifically debunked on just about every level from said quantity of water through geology, logistics, building methods, defined size of the ark, feeding requirements, salt/fresh water separation, even toilet habits etc, etc. You want a list of actual evidential facts regarding the mythical flood then please ask. Also note, my hobby is the study of Cro-Magnon period from 10,000 to 40,000 years ago, no evidence of flood and no evidence of the worship of omnipotence.

There is no evidence of any god so how can a god have any influence on facts of which there is evidence. Abiding by such a limitation is not science, it is fundamentalism, creationism, faith. What such faith without evidence boils down to is guesswork, science does not thrive on guesswork, it thrives of falsifiable evidence.

Where is the actual evidence that Adam, Edris, Nouh, Houd and Saleh existed?

Yes they have been working since I was born and the development of the human body from egg/sperm to full grown adult is well known and documented. Again, no evidence of any god like influence but considerable evidence of nature taking its course.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#1829 Jan 6, 2014
NinaRocks wrote:
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Christmas is not a day for evangelizing.
Say what? LOL, I just sprayed my coffee all over my desk , that’s a cracker, you really should tell that to you church fellows, perhaps they will believe you.

How many christmas cards did you send out?

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#1830 Jan 6, 2014
NinaRocks wrote:
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I have not seen any attacks perpetrated here by either Christian or Islamic posters, but, rather, only by athiests. It is this unreasonable anger directed at them which bothers me. There is little real discussion, only rudeness.
Athiests own forum? This thread was supposedly about an article(which I actually read)in which Richard Dawkins sees little wrong with pedophilia. This topic has hardly been touched, and has been hijacked to bash Creationist theory, and their proponents.
Honey you have verbally attacked me, you have attacked my beliefs and you have attacked my intellect to the extent that I would up having to ignore you.

There are certain christians/theists on this and other threads who delight in attacking me. Most eventually run the course of their hatred, spleen vented they drop out of topix but of the few remaining include Cartcher King, Lincoln (or whatever he is choosing to call himself this week), Riversideredneck and Buck Crick come readily to mind

Hazam regularly attacks me, however he has the excuse that he is Muslim and I am just a female. What is strange is that when I respond in kind he accused me of being aggressive or rude.

Actually I have spoken on the topic of Dawkins view of paedophilia several times, you must have missed it.

What creationist theory? Ahh you mean creationist guesswork, the hypothesis arrived at with no evidence

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#1831 Jan 6, 2014
LCNin wrote:
Many good people are Atheists, Agnostics, Christians, Jews or Muslims.
That is perhaps the most trustful and profound thing I have ever seen you write.
Jim

London, UK

#1832 Jan 6, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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That is perhaps the most trustful and profound thing I have ever seen you write.
He treats Topix moderators like god and is afraid of them. He has to fake-please them in order for his trolling to be tolerated.

Notice how the Creationist Cult Member also changed his name to Lcn to avoid detection.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#1833 Jan 6, 2014
Jim wrote:
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He treats Topix moderators like god and is afraid of them. He has to fake-please them in order for his trolling to be tolerated.
Notice how the Creationist Cult Member also changed his name to Lcn to avoid detection.
It was shocking to see him write that post after the hatred and abuse he has hurled at anyone not of his mindset, hence my comment, I did however screw up (dyslexia is a bummer) I meant to trite “truthful” rather than “trustful”.

Funny that, note my post #1830 above in which I say “Lincoln (or whatever he is choosing to call himself this week)”

Happy New Year, hope you had a good winterval. What’s the weather like down there?

Since: Oct 13

Location hidden

#1834 Jan 6, 2014
Thinking wrote:
Another empty threat from another empty religitard.
You massive nonce.
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what I told you was not a threat, its a fact and was proved over the years

33:57 "Indeed, those who abuse Allah and His Messenger - Allah has cursed them in this world and the Hereafter and prepared for them a humiliating punishment."

notice the verse states that Allah has cursed them in this world and the hereafter not only the hereafter.

Since: Oct 13

Location hidden

#1835 Jan 6, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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Supposed to?
So how does Adam and Eve not contradict DNA? There you go, the very first time human beings are mentioned in your god book contradicts science.
why do adam and eve contradict DNA ?? I dont get it
ChristineM wrote:
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The abrahamic religions claim that the earth /universe was created in 6 days, science knows when the earth and universe were formed and it’s a lot more than 6 days, so the abrahamic religions co0ntradict cosmology and geology.
Six days to God doesn't necessarily refer to our days or the definition of our time, I have previously discussed this subject with "igor trip" , its whether our day mean a thousand day to god or 50 000 thousands of what we count.
ChristineM wrote:
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The qur’an indicates that the earth is the centre of the solar system so your faith contradicts astronomy and cosmology.
you are gonna have to show verses that say Earth is the center of the solar system
ChristineM wrote:
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The qur’an specifies that the moon is a source of light so your faith contradicts the science of optics
you again failed to give any clues or evidences that Islam or Quran claims so...!!
ChristineM wrote:
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The qur’an claims that only allah knows the gender of a foetus so you faith contradicts medical science.
yes but it takes at least 2 or 3 months to know the gender of the fetus, Allah knows the gender not only before that but also before the creation of the whole universe ..!!!
ChristineM wrote:
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The qur’an claims that bees eat fruit therefore your faith contradicts zoology
Conclusion your religion is either a fake of manipulated religion – your words.
same thing no evidence that Quran says so.

Since: Oct 13

Location hidden

#1836 Jan 6, 2014
Jim wrote:
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Science is based on observation. To say Atheists are "hiding" behind observed reality (what is really there) is absurd and dishonest.
On the other hand, your beliefs are based on no facts and are whimsical delusions that you arrogantly and violently try to protect, yet are ultimately worthless.
You ask Atheists to insult the universe by denying its fundamental scientific realities.
Shame on your religious cult and shame on you.
that is the beauty of Islam, it holds proofs and faith at the same time.

Allow me to change the subject, Do you usually eat fruits before or after your meal ??!
and if you dont do that , what is the first answer that comes to your mind ??

Since: Oct 13

Location hidden

#1837 Jan 6, 2014
Igor Trip wrote:
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If science ever proves the sun really does set in a muddy spring then yes that would be evidence for Islam.
I see you are still lost in translation.
Igor Trip wrote:
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According to the Quran messengers were sent to all the peoples of the world.
If that was the case then we would expect to find the same religion all over the world. We don't. Instead every region has its own beliefs.
the Quran totally agrees with you on that, the problem is with people , remember the story of Moses when he survived with his people and escaped through the sea (the miracle of Moses when he splitted the sea into two halfs) and his own people (Believers) witnessed this miracle and walked through the sea, after a very short period of time they came back to worshiping idols and built a big idol on a shape of cow out of gold to worship it, Moses went for a while to get the scriptures and came back to see the believers worshiping the golden cow all over again, he got very mad and broke the scriptures till he talked with them and got them back to the right path.

that is the nature of humans not to mention the influence of the Satan (Al shaitan) humans' dearest enemy.

there are numerous examples of people and tribes who missed the right path, thats why Allah kept sending messengers and prophets to remind people of the right path, Issa or Jesus was sent to the people of Isreal to complement the message of Judaism and Mohammed was sent as the last prophet to spread the final message which is supposed to fit at anytime and any place and for the whole world because it holds rules for everything.

we have to take in consideration the improvement and the continual changing in people's life style, and if we looked accurately and studied all the religions , we'll find out that the actual core and true message can be found between lines.(one god, a test, hereafter and some commandments)
Igor Trip wrote:
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So either those messengers failed miserably or more likely they never existed.
An all knowing God isn't going to send messengers knowing they are going to fail, instead he would chose people who could and with his help would succeed. His abysmal failure to do so is just more evidence that he doesn't exist and that Islam really is just the word or one man.
no , none of them failed, some of those prophets kept inviting their people for centuries; Noah for instance kept preaching for 950 years and eventually only a few people believed, its not that easy to make people believe, back then people used to worship the Sun, Idols , Water , Stars , Moon ...just name it.

I think Atheists are somehow exactly the same like those ancient people who worshiped anything, perhaps someday after a thousand year someone will say is it possible that people didn't believe in a creator, Just like how we say nowadays is it possible that people used to worship stones ..!!!

its not a new thing that most people don't believe

11:118 "And if your Lord had willed, He could have made mankind one community; but they will not cease to differ."

11:119 "Except whom your Lord has given mercy, and for that He created them. But the word of your Lord is to be fulfilled that, "I will surely fill Hell with jinn and men all together."

its a fact that there are so many people are going to hell, I think if you heard of Mohammed , Issa and moses ..etc peace be upon them all, then they dafinetly didn't fail.

and that might be the test , everybody has a free well to make the decision its whether he believes or not and should live with his choice and bear the consequences of his own choice.
Thinking

Stalbridge, UK

#1838 Jan 6, 2014
islam makes the world a little uglier.
hazem selawi wrote:
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that is the beauty of Islam, it holds proofs and faith at the same time.
Allow me to change the subject, Do you usually eat fruits before or after your meal ??!
and if you dont do that , what is the first answer that comes to your mind ??

Since: Oct 13

Location hidden

#1839 Jan 6, 2014
Igor Trip wrote:
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Even the most uneducated peoples would expect any tale to contain some details such as the names of people, cities and a time frame in any historical story.
maybe that isn't the wisdom behind mentioning such stories in Quran, you should remember that the same verses should also be used to extract rules at the same time, its a book of signs and at the very same time a manual for people to live their lives perfectly.
Igor Trip wrote:
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My problem with the Quran isn't that the stories are simple, it's that they are lacking in even the most basic of detail which is what we would expect if they were written by someone who had heard the stories but couldn't remember the details.
you are missing the big picture, beside some stories are continued in other chapters, those verses give you what you need to know and point to different signs.
Igor Trip wrote:
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There is no evidence for a world wide flood.
We know why floods happen, their natural causes are well understood, and we know good people suffer just as much as bad people. Thus there is no evidence they are punishment from any God or that they ever have been.
its not necessarily that every disease is a punishment, sometimes its a test,
Actually I like to get ill, because if you got ill and were patient and prayed for god to cure you , its whether you'll get better or Allah will give you something in return at the day of judgment and if got cured your body will get stronger , ills or diseases atone some of your sins as well.
Igor Trip wrote:
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Oh and as your God didn't even carry out his threat to destroy the city we have no reason to believe Jonah wasn't just another of those delusional loonies who are always declaring the end is near (but can never get the date right).

11:117 "And your Lord would not have destroyed the cities unjustly while their people were reformers."

[QUOTE who="Igor Trip"]<quoted text>
If Islam true then there should be no dispute between the Quran and science, but there is.
you cannot judge the Quran until you read it accurately and by its original language,
I think that the science is still too Primitive to explain Quran perfectly.

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