Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad

Sep 14, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Examiner.com

"The God of the Qur'an is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

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Actually Islam enacted so many rules to guarantee the freedom of slaves after making sure that they will be accepted in the community.
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None of those verses calls for the abolition of slavery. Instead, they offer sweeteners.
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Why do you expect me to know about every case of islamic paedophilia? I've better things to learn.

I asked you first how old you think mohammed was when he thighed Aisha. I believe the answer is that mohammed rubbed his genitals up and down her legs from when she was six years old.

You answered by describing another muslim paedophile.
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Trust me if i wanted to threat you, you will find me knocking on your door, I am just asking you to be reasonable and fair in your discussions.
and you still haven't answered my question; how old was Fatima Mohammed's daughter when she got married ??!!
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Trust me if i wanted to threat you, you will find me knocking on your door, I am just asking you to be reasonable and fair in your discussions.
and you still haven't answered my question; how old was Fatima Mohammed's daughter when she got married ??!!
How can you claim us that Islam is more moral, when you cannot even admit that you lied about god and have no evidence for it?

Its like you can't even see straight ahead of you or something.

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None of those verses calls for the abolition of slavery. Instead, they offer sweeteners.
I think the slavery issue had to be solved gradually, it was a very common thing back then (1400 years ago) and many men and women already owned slaves, so you cannot just solve it immediately, that's why Islam started to teach people that everybody is equal in front of the creator, all muslims used to gather back then in the mosque of Madina with prophet Mohammed , even slaves could participate in politics and in making big decisions, you should also bare in mind that Prophet Mohammed made it clear that you cannot name the slave a slave because we are all the slaves of god, you may call him your man or boy (Fatta), the rules of Islam came to guarantee the freedom of a slave after a very short time , if a slave owner made any mistake (very usual mistakes) he should set his slave free to avoid the punishment of god at the day of judgment and if he didn't have a slave he/she should buy any slave and set him/her free, even if the owner of the slave didn't make any mistake during his life, he is obligated to write an oath or a contract with his slave (the contract should contain the freedom of the slave in return of working for a period of time), there are numerous verses in the Quran that encourage Muslims to spend their money on freeing slaves because that pleases Allah the creator, Bilal Bin Rabah who was one of the closest companions of Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) used to be a slave and he is the first one who climbed Al KA'Aba for Athan after the victory of Muslims, Mohammed (PBUH) Married JUARIA BENT AL HARITH who was a slave in order to set her free hence when a girl gets married she'll become free instantly, Islam doesn't just abolish slavery it also came down as mercy and to make all people equal.
Do you know what ?!! I'd rather be a slave at the time of Mohammed than be a free man these days.

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Why do you expect me to know about every case of islamic paedophilia? I've better things to learn.
I asked you first how old you think mohammed was when he thighed Aisha. I believe the answer is that mohammed rubbed his genitals up and down her legs from when she was six years old.
You answered by describing another muslim paedophile.
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Mohammed (PBUH) married Aisha at the age of sex, and was sexually with her at the age of 9, I don't know where you get your info from, I think you have a very narrow mind to understand that even Mohammed's daughter got married at a very young age which make it clear that women at that time used to get married at a young age comparing to nowadays.

are you really that dump to take in consideration that women reach puberty faster in hot places ?!!
some girls in Africa reach puberty at the age of 6 or 7 , you are too brainwashed to understand anything
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I think the slavery issue had to be solved gradually, it was a very common thing back then (1400 years ago) and many men and women already owned slaves, so you cannot just solve it immediately, that's why Islam started to teach people that everybody is equal in front of the creator, all muslims used to gather back then in the mosque of Madina with prophet Mohammed , even slaves could participate in politics and in making big decisions, you should also bare in mind that Prophet Mohammed made it clear that you cannot name the slave a slave because we are all the slaves of god, you may call him your man or boy (Fatta), the rules of Islam came to guarantee the freedom of a slave after a very short time , if a slave owner made any mistake (very usual mistakes) he should set his slave free to avoid the punishment of god at the day of judgment and if he didn't have a slave he/she should buy any slave and set him/her free, even if the owner of the slave didn't make any mistake during his life, he is obligated to write an oath or a contract with his slave (the contract should contain the freedom of the slave in return of working for a period of time), there are numerous verses in the Quran that encourage Muslims to spend their money on freeing slaves because that pleases Allah the creator, Bilal Bin Rabah who was one of the closest companions of Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) used to be a slave and he is the first one who climbed Al KA'Aba for Athan after the victory of Muslims, Mohammed (PBUH) Married JUARIA BENT AL HARITH who was a slave in order to set her free hence when a girl gets married she'll become free instantly, Islam doesn't just abolish slavery it also came down as mercy and to make all people equal.
Do you know what ?!! I'd rather be a slave at the time of Mohammed than be a free man these days.
Why do theists plead with Atheists to believe in magic, when they can't do the hard work and prove their bullsh*t claims?
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Religion seems to play an important part in the lives of people.

As Pope Francis prepares to celebrate his first Christmas at the Vatican, Americans' opinions of the pontiff appear to be as high as the dome on St. Peter's Basilica, according to a new survey.

A CNN/ORC International poll released Tuesday found that 88% of American Catholics approve of how Francis is handling his role as head of the 1.2 billion-member church.

The popular pontiff has also made a positive impression among Americans in general: Nearly three in four view Francis favorably. The new survey suggests that the Pope is arguably the most well-regarded religious figure among the American public today, said CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.

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Why do theists plead with Atheists to believe in magic, when they can't do the hard work and prove their bullsh*t claims?
I dont know why atheists keep claiming that science and most of scientists are atheists while really there are a very long list of trustworthy scientists who stated that they believe in a creator and a very powerful being.

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How can you claim us that Islam is more moral, when you cannot even admit that you lied about god and have no evidence for it?
Its like you can't even see straight ahead of you or something.
I previously asked you what would accept as a proof ??!
you avoided my question and never answered it.
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Many believe that Aisha was 9 when she was penetrated, but that mohammed wiped his dripping genitals on her from age 6.

I already knew mohammed was nothing special.

mohammed was just another old pervert doing what all the other perverts do.
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Mohammed (PBUH) married Aisha at the age of sex, and was sexually with her at the age of 9, I don't know where you get your info from, I think you have a very narrow mind to understand that even Mohammed's daughter got married at a very young age which make it clear that women at that time used to get married at a young age comparing to nowadays.
are you really that dump to take in consideration that women reach puberty faster in hot places ?!!
some girls in Africa reach puberty at the age of 6 or 7 , you are too brainwashed to understand anything
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Religion seems to play an important part in the lives of people.
As Pope Francis prepares to celebrate his first Christmas at the Vatican, Americans' opinions of the pontiff appear to be as high as the dome on St. Peter's Basilica, according to a new survey.
A CNN/ORC International poll released Tuesday found that 88% of American Catholics approve of how Francis is handling his role as head of the 1.2 billion-member church.
The popular pontiff has also made a positive impression among Americans in general: Nearly three in four view Francis favorably. The new survey suggests that the Pope is arguably the most well-regarded religious figure among the American public today, said CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.
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I dont know why atheists keep claiming that science and most of scientists are atheists while really there are a very long list of trustworthy scientists who stated that they believe in a creator and a very powerful being.
Idiots that deny science should sit down and stop trying to count heads.

You have no evidence for god, go back to your cave and find the people that decieved you and ask them for evidence and you will realise that you have none.

You are simply another, common religious liar who has no respect for the truth.

Science is based on observation (what is really there) and you ignorant types can't respect or understand this simple fact.

And you try to claim to be more moral - shame on you liars.
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Thank you, but me as a Muslim I don't celebrate the new year, we have our own Hijri calender.
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we as Sunnis love Ali more than ourselves, Some shias think that Sunni hate Ali and go with Mouwaya therefore Islam spiltted into two major sects Sunna and Shiate although Sunnis are more than 90% of Muslims, I believe shias are also divided into so many sects; what sect do your parents and family follow ?
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Karen Armstrong's book of Mohammed (PBUH) contains numerous errors, she didnt take in consideration the type and grades of any hadith which the whole story depends on, apparently she is an orientalist, I don't blame her because she dealt with Islam exactly as she dealt with Judaism and Christianity, Islam is different because all of it (Hadith and Quran) was kept in one language and the sources can be traced easily, not to mention that she didn't take in consideration any of the Islamic teachings and rules.
I don't think its possible to anyone to write a biography of Mohammed without having a very high knowledge of Hadith science, Fiqh , Quran interpreting (tafsiq Al Quran)...etc
Most of the orientalists failed to write an accurate or a trustworthy biography of Mohammed.
Like most Persians, my parents followed the twelver brand of Shiaism. Hadith literature is flawed irrespective its grade. Those considered reliable by two are considered unreliable by ten others. Narrators of one sect are called fabricators by another. Besides, hadiths were collected 250 after the fact and cannot be trusted.

Most orientalists have penned whatever the muslims have written. There are only differences in opinion. Your "science" of hadiths is all conjecture. What you consider heretical is considered authentic by other muslims. Orientalists like Patricia Crone, Andrew Rippin, Maxime Rodinson, Theodore Noldeke, Alexander Kanysh, Fred Donner etc are all very well versed in Arabic, fiqh, hadith, and much more. These are people who have written books on Islam. Their only problem is that they have spilled the beans and question certain aspects of the Islamic faith which does not sit well with most muslims.

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Idiots that deny science should sit down and stop trying to count heads.
You have no evidence for god, go back to your cave and find the people that decieved you and ask them for evidence and you will realise that you have none.
You are simply another, common religious liar who has no respect for the truth.
Science is based on observation (what is really there) and you ignorant types can't respect or understand this simple fact.
And you try to claim to be more moral - shame on you liars.
first of all I never mentioned morals, but if that what seemed I was doing to you then fine.
secondly what makes you different ?? maybe I am following my religion Blindly and never asked for a proof as you claimed or maybe because Islamic teachings are proofs and Islam is a proof by itself, on the other hand you are the one who is too Blind to realize that science isn't on your side either so stop hiding behind science and scientists.

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Many believe that Aisha was 9 when she was penetrated, but that mohammed wiped his dripping genitals on her from age 6.
I already knew mohammed was nothing special.
mohammed was just another old pervert doing what all the other perverts do.
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from now on be careful, whoever throw such accusations at Mohammed (PBUH) will never live happily, trust me its a promise.

it seems like you are used to talk about people you don't know and that says a lot about the house you grew up in.

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Like most Persians, my parents followed the twelver brand of Shiaism. Hadith literature is flawed irrespective its grade. Those considered reliable by two are considered unreliable by ten others. Narrators of one sect are called fabricators by another. Besides, hadiths were collected 250 after the fact and cannot be trusted.
Most orientalists have penned whatever the muslims have written. There are only differences in opinion. Your "science" of hadiths is all conjecture. What you consider heretical is considered authentic by other muslims. Orientalists like Patricia Crone, Andrew Rippin, Maxime Rodinson, Theodore Noldeke, Alexander Kanysh, Fred Donner etc are all very well versed in Arabic, fiqh, hadith, and much more. These are people who have written books on Islam. Their only problem is that they have spilled the beans and question certain aspects of the Islamic faith which does not sit well with most muslims.
I think what happened with you is a very natural thing because Shiat religion have so many fabricated teachings, a very weird fatwas and Exaggeration in the love of Ali (some Shias even made him god) Just like how Christians did with Jesus.
so that what drove you away from Islam and made you think that its a very weird and twisted religion, while you really know nothing about the original Islam, and the original teachings of Mohammed.

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but what if science confirms and prove the authenticity of a religion ??
If science ever proves the sun really does set in a muddy spring then yes that would be evidence for Islam.
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God didn't leave those men (prophets) with no proofs, he gave them miracles to prove their prophecy.
what other ways do you suggest to get a message from the creator ?? we cannot see the creator maybe because we are on another dimension and we can hardly look directly at the sun how could it be possible for us as humans to see the creator of the universe ??
According to the Quran messengers were sent to all the peoples of the world.
If that was the case then we would expect to find the same religion all over the world. We don't. Instead every region has its own beliefs.
So either those messengers failed miserably or more likely they never existed.
An all knowing God isn't going to send messengers knowing they are going to fail, instead he would chose people who could and with his help would succeed. His abysmal failure to do so is just more evidence that he doesn't exist and that Islam really is just the word or one man.
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you think that these stories are nonsense, I think that the Quran take in consideration different Mental and educational abilities, some people may take these stories as they are and some other specialized people may find Historical or scientific information behind them, and in both cases the two parties will be right.
Even the most uneducated peoples would expect any tale to contain some details such as the names of people, cities and a time frame in any historical story.
My problem with the Quran isn't that the stories are simple, it's that they are lacking in even the most basic of detail which is what we would expect if they were written by someone who had heard the stories but couldn't remember the details.
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the flood for instance we can all agree that it happened someday, the Quran mentions the flood as the story of Prophet Nouh who preached his people for so long and finally built a ship in a dessert out of wood and took with him the believers and some animals and plants to survive the flood which was the punishment for the unbelievers.
There is no evidence for a world wide flood.

We know why floods happen, their natural causes are well understood, and we know good people suffer just as much as bad people. Thus there is no evidence they are punishment from any God or that they ever have been.
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or the story of Prophet Yunus who was swallowed by a blue whale and survived, some people take the story as it is and some looked for scientific clues and found out that 12 men can stand easily in a blue whale's mouth, and again both parties will be right.
As we can't breath under water there's good reason to believe the story is made up nonsense and we have no reason to believe it ever happened.

Oh and as your God didn't even carry out his threat to destroy the city we have no reason to believe Jonah wasn't just another of those delusional loonies who are always declaring the end is near (but can never get the date right).
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I think that science is a method that verifies the absolute truths provided by religion and specially Islam which relies only on the pure revelation of God.
If Islam true then there should be no dispute between the Quran and science, but there is.

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when we read in Quran the punishment of god it doesn't necessarily mean that god punished them directly, maybe the punishment itself may occur as consequences of breaking the rules god made this world follow ; AIDS for example spread Horribly and easily between male homosexuals,and thus will be easily spread in the community and may eventually destroy it, so this can be referred to as a disease and a punishment from god at the same time because eventually he created all the rules within the universe not to mention that all the religions warned people from homosexuality.
you keep mentioning science as an enemy of religion while a very long list of trusted scientists believed in god such as Robert Boyle, Iona William Petty, Gregory Mendel ...etc
Are you claiming only bad people get ill whilst good people never suffer from small pox, cholera, cancer, malaria, death in childbirth or any other ills? I really hope not.
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I think the basic rules of Islam may prevent us from a lot of diseases starting from the Personal hygiene laws to the different ways of worshiping like fasting, praying and following Halal and haram rules.
Where are we told to boil drinking water?

The Quran still has nothing about disease and it should.
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beside there are numerous solution for different diseases in authentic Hadiths of Mohammed and he once said "I was with Prophet Muhammad Sallallaho Alaihe Wasallam when the Bedouins came to him and said,‘O Messenger of Allah, should we seek medicine? He said,‘Yes, O slaves of Allah, seek medicine, for Allah has not Created a disease except that He Has Created its cure, except for one illness.’ They said.‘And what is that?’ He said, Old age".
Strange how he failed to actually tell anyone what those cures were and it has required none Islamic scientists to find them.
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there is something called Al TEB AL NABAWI (healing by islam) if you are curious you can check this website http://www.tibbenabawi.org/
Any statistical evidence it works better than a placebo?
If not then it's just wishful thinking alone with so many other alternative medicines.
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and even if scientists discovered a cure for a disease it would still be only a discovery!
Only a discovery!!? Maybe you should read up on just how much effort is required to find those cures. There's nothing “Only” about them!

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Why do you expect me to know about every case of islamic paedophilia? I've better things to learn.
I asked you first how old you think mohammed was when he thighed Aisha. I believe the answer is that mohammed rubbed his genitals up and down her legs from when she was six years old.
You answered by describing another muslim paedophile.
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In case you're wondering where this claim comes from, it appears to be from a Shia scholar but there doesn't appear to be any hadiths to back this up so it's probably just the product of the disease mind of some dirty old men.

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Here's a link about it.
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