Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad

There are 3049 comments on the Examiner.com story from Sep 14, 2013, titled Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad. In it, Examiner.com reports that:

"The God of the Qur'an is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

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Jim

Scunthorpe, UK

#1697 Dec 25, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
Richard Dawkins is a man who pummels others for the inconsistencies of their beliefs. That, perhaps, is why it's so interesting to read Dawkins' recent interview with Isaac Chotiner, and see how inconsistent and uncertain Dawkins himself can be.
The result might not please certain atheists, but it makes Dawkins out to be, well, a human being.
If you've ever wondered what Dawkins thinks about Jews winning Nobel Prizes, or whether someone who so fetishizes empirical evidence is even capable of reading novels (“I never quite understood why you would read fiction to understand the human condition”), then this is the interview for you.
A couple of gems:
Isaac Chotiner: One thing I've noticed is that you often use the argument that religion is something that we choose, unlike, say, race or sexual orientation. I wonder what the word 'choose' means if you go to, say, a poor, religious, Muslim country.
Richard Dawkins: You don't really get much choice…I would like to find a way in which people in Saudi Arabia could learn that they can be something other than a Muslim. Some people may not realize this. Of course, there is the problem that you can get in trouble or get stoned.
IC: Small side effects.
In the past, Dawkins has made blanket statements about the Muslim world without regard to politics, colonial history, the stifling effectof petropolitics, or, you know, any other sort of context. Do we have some admission here that religious beliefs are shaped by more than intellectual free will and faith?
Maybe, maybe not. But Chotiner is ready with some follow-ups. In regard to Dawkins’ tweet about Muslims winning fewer Nobel Prizes than the scholars of Trinity College, Cambridge:
RD: That was unfortunate. I should have compared religion with religion and compared Islam not with Trinity College but with Jews, because the number of Jews who have won Nobel Prizes is phenomenally high.
IC: OK, but what do you make of that?
RD: Race does not come into it. It is pure religion and culture…
IC: I still want to know what you draw from this. Do you think the Torah is more progressive than the Koran?
RD: No, I doubt it. I don't think that.
IC: So then what?
RD: I haven't thought it through. I don't know.
Did Richard Dawkins just say that a religious tradition can contribute to producing better scientists? I’m pretty sure he just did. More amazingly: did Richard Dawkins just say I don’t know?
I don’t mean to sound critical: throughout the interview, Dawkins comes across as a thoughtful listener, open to examining his own points, and even, perhaps, open to seeing some nuance in a tricky set of issues. The shame is not that he’s a bit inconsistent. The shame is that we don’t see this side of him more often.
http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispatches/...
You behave like this because even you don't believe jesus is coming back to judge you.

“Evil Atheist :-)”

Since: Mar 07

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#1698 Dec 25, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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your theory doesn't work , because its not about which way is simpler or more complex, because god is out of the equation , you cannot explain or measure him ,
Yes we can.
If something exists it can be measured somehow. This includes anything outside of this universe such as a God.
hazem selawi wrote:
if we succeeded to measure god like physics laws or tried to understand how he existed;that would make us like the 2 pens which think their creator was created out of plastic and/or is used for writing.
Pens can write down the code for dna or the formula for quantum physics. Don't underestimate pens.
hazem selawi wrote:
Besides if those laws of physics were created or evolved out of nothing that would be more frequent within our world and then we may find in our daily life things out of nothing.
So maybe universes are popping into and out of existence all the time like bubbles. Just as long as they can't form inside a bubble we'll be fine.
hazem selawi wrote:
even if the universe was found out of nothing we then would need nothing and nothing should have come out of nothing to make a difference between nothing and something.
Yes it's a mystery but there are plenty of scientists working on this and maybe one day they will solve it (or maybe it's unsolvable) but just proclaiming the pink sky pixie did it isn't an answer.
hazem selawi wrote:
there must have been something before nothing so we can tell the difference between nothing and something.
Ok so suppose there was something, why would that need to be a God rather than say energy?
As far as we know energy can't be created or destroyed so maybe that just existed without cause and then by quantum fluctuation, condensed down into particles?

A God is still the most complex option and thus the most unlikely.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#1699 Dec 26, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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or maybe their scientific understanding doesn't contradict with their faith
Then it is faith, not scientific understanding

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#1700 Dec 26, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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oh the aggressive girl is back..!!!, lets put aside all religions and try to discuss what is normal and what is abnormal, I think believing in a creator is completely normal and was done from the very first appearing of human beings, on the other hand not believing in a creator is abnormal simply because you cannot say lets prove someone built my house.
beside the god I worship existed way before Abraham and chose so many prophets to deliver the message before Abraham.
Hey does female aggression turn you on? Does it make you hard and have wet dreams? Or is it against your god book that tells you aggressive females should be stoned?

FYI, I am far from aggressive, however I have no tolerance for deliberate ignorance.

What you think is besides the point.

I think that believing is black magic is way out there on the fare side f sanity and you are over that dividing line with the rest of the god did it by magic with nothing to back up that faith but a 4000 years old (and much discredited) book

Nope human beings have only believed in an “omnipotent” god for around 4 to 8 thousand years. Unfortunately for you human beings have been on this earth far longer than any belief in god

On the other hand, understanding the findings of science is normal and can be falsified (unlike god did it buy magic) and proven(unlike god did it buy magic

The god you worship is known as the abrahamic god, you have no evidence, no proof that you god was imagined before Abraham. List one – just one prophet that can be unquestionably shown to have existed before Abraham

I can prove that someone built my house, I have receipts and a 20 year guarantee.

P.S. I have noted that you claimed to put aside all religion while at the very same time, in the very same paragraph make claims for your god myth. Does this not strike you as deliberately ignorant or at least hypocritical?
LCNlin

United States

#1701 Dec 26, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Then it is faith, not scientific understanding
Often a combination of both, faith and science.
Life is complex
Peace
Jim

Scunthorpe, UK

#1702 Dec 26, 2013
LCNlin wrote:
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Often a combination of both, faith and science.
Life is complex
Peace
With the religious the problem is psychological denial of facts and repeated 'game playing'

Since: Oct 13

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#1703 Dec 26, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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Yes we can.
If something exists it can be measured somehow. This includes anything outside of this universe such as a God.
yes maybe, but i think it wouldn't make any sense, the where, the when , the how , the what was found by god according to my beliefs, so how would it be possible to put him in any of our equations ??! the cause and the result was also found by him, So I think we cannot apply our rules on him , its complicated.
Igor Trip wrote:
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Pens can write down the code for dna or the formula for quantum physics. Don't underestimate pens.
yes you are absolutely right we shouldn't underestimate pens, because pens reflect knowledge and science, actually there is an authentic Hadith says that the pen was the third thing allah created after the throne and Aadam I guess.

“Allaah created four things with His Hand;

1. The Throne

2. The Pen

3. Aadam and

4. The paradise of ‘Adn.
Igor Trip wrote:
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So maybe universes are popping into and out of existence all the time like bubbles. Just as long as they can't form inside a bubble we'll be fine.

Yes it's a mystery but there are plenty of scientists working on this and maybe one day they will solve it (or maybe it's unsolvable) but just proclaiming the pink sky pixie did it isn't an answer.
Ok so suppose there was something, why would that need to be a God rather than say energy?
As far as we know energy can't be created or destroyed so maybe that just existed without cause and then by quantum fluctuation, condensed down into particles?
A God is still the most complex option and thus the most unlikely.
So basically you believe that something can come out of nothing, like energy for instance , even if we had energy which doent need any cause as you claimed, we would still need some rules, A rule that guarantee the transformation of energy to another things and another rule that define nothing and something, other wise how would there be any difference between nothing and something ??
Jim

Scunthorpe, UK

#1704 Dec 26, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
So basically you believe that something can come out of nothing, like energy for instance , even if we had e
You need to find evidence of your god instead of ridicule scientific facts.

Since: Oct 13

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#1705 Dec 26, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Then it is faith, not scientific understanding
faith isn't supposed to contradict with science, if it did then it must be a fake or a manipulated religion.

Since: Oct 13

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#1706 Dec 26, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Hey does female aggression turn you on? Does it make you hard and have wet dreams? Or is it against your god book that tells you aggressive females should be stoned?
Oh Am sorry you are not aggressive, you are rude.
ChristineM wrote:
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FYI, I am far from aggressive, however I have no tolerance for deliberate ignorance.
What you think is besides the point.
I think that believing is black magic is way out there on the fare side f sanity and you are over that dividing line with the rest of the god did it by magic with nothing to back up that faith but a 4000 years old (and much discredited) book
lets put all these things aside, if you were at a time of some prophet and witnessed a miracle like curing the blind and/or actual magic or walking on water or whatever ?? would you believe in god ?? the thing with miracles is to prove that no one can break the specific rules our world was created by, physics laws and ..etc
I know you dont believe in any prophets or any religion, just go answer the question straight forward.
ChristineM wrote:
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Nope human beings have only believed in an “omnipotent” god for around 4 to 8 thousand years. Unfortunately for you human beings have been on this earth far longer than any belief in god.
who told you so ?? where do you get this kind of information from ??
I think we lost a lot of human history after the flood.
ChristineM wrote:
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On the other hand, understanding the findings of science is normal and can be falsified (unlike god did it buy magic) and proven(unlike god did it buy magic
The difference between muslim scientists (or believers) and other agnostic and atheists scientists, is that we try to understand how god created this universe while atheists try to understand or find how the universe was created, I think in both ways we will get the same results; its the same research but under different terms.
We dont say god found the universe and thats it ..!!! its exactly the opposite god gave us minds to think, that is the goal of our existence after all, to use our minds and live the right way, humans we created to worship , and the term worship has a very wide scope, Working , reading , doing good ...etc point out to worshiping.
ChristineM wrote:
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The god you worship is known as the abrahamic god, you have no evidence, no proof that you god was imagined before Abraham. List one – just one prophet that can be unquestionably shown to have existed before Abraham
I can prove that someone built my house, I have receipts and a 20 year guarantee.
P.S. I have noted that you claimed to put aside all religion while at the very same time, in the very same paragraph make claims for your god myth. Does this not strike you as deliberately ignorant or at least hypocritical?
How about Adam, Edris, Nouh, Houd and Saleh all of these were prophets before Abraham and all of them existed before the flood.

you can prove that someone built your house because you have receipts and a guarantee,..!! then how about your eyes, Ears and body haven't them been working since the day you were born ??!

Since: Oct 13

Location hidden

#1707 Dec 26, 2013
Jim wrote:
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You need to find evidence of your god instead of ridicule scientific facts.
what would you accept as an evidence ??
Jim

Scunthorpe, UK

#1708 Dec 26, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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what would you accept as an evidence ??
This question has been asked many times. You need scientific proof.

If god was factual, it would already be part of science. But it isn't because all religious people are liars, with no evidence of god since the history of recorded time.

Every religious person who says they have evidence never has ANY physical evidence. It all comes from stories in their mind - ie delusions.

The mistake is arrogant and often depressed religious people taking their psychological illness to mean something important, when in fact its an illness that requires treatment.

There is no god, people need to get well again to start living in the real world.

“Evil Atheist :-)”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#1709 Dec 26, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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yes maybe, but i think it wouldn't make any sense, the where, the when , the how , the what was found by god according to my beliefs, so how would it be possible to put him in any of our equations ??! the cause and the result was also found by him, So I think we cannot apply our rules on him , its complicated.
The thing is cause and effect works both ways. Effects tell us much about the cause. So yes we should be able to know something about Gods universe.
hazem selawi wrote:
yes you are absolutely right we shouldn't underestimate pens, because pens reflect knowledge and science, actually there is an authentic Hadith says that the pen was the third thing allah created after the throne and Aadam I guess.
“Allaah created four things with His Hand;
1. The Throne
2. The Pen
3. Aadam and
4. The paradise of ‘Adn.
The pen can also tell us whether the claims of religions actually make any sense.
hazem selawi wrote:
So basically you believe that something can come out of nothing, like energy for instance , even if we had energy which doent need any cause as you claimed, we would still need some rules, A rule that guarantee the transformation of energy to another things and another rule that define nothing and something, other wise how would there be any difference between nothing and something ??
Neither myself, you or any scientist knows if there was nothing or what nothing even means.
You though do believe there was something, your God. You believe he just exists without any explanation, so why not some other possible cause for the universe such as energy or some spark that caused a chain reaction leading to the Big Bang?

A God is not the only or most likely cause.
Jim

Scunthorpe, UK

#1710 Dec 26, 2013
Look at Dave, who says he say god during a car accident and thinks he was "chosen".

In times of extreme pressure and cowardice the mind will prefer to believe in causality than in the facts, to keep itself from going insane.

This is why we have religion and irrational beliefs in society.

Peope mistake this normal biological reaction for spiritual significance, largely to feel more comfortable and feed their own egos.

Sometimes religious people describe these stories as ephiphanies or moments of insights. They are symptoms of a greater illness, most likely schizophrenia or major depression and require treatment instead of vilification.
Jim

Scunthorpe, UK

#1711 Dec 26, 2013
Religion rewards those who suffer from more prnounced symptoms of madness, such a speaing in tongues or hearing voices.

Religion is built around praising these psychological symptoms of illness and manipulating them within the victim, instead of providing medication to stop the effects of the illness.

Religious insititions will often seek out people who are more prone to schoziphrenia, autism and other psychologial disorders, because the people are easier to manipulate and respond well to brainwashing routines like hymns and prayers.

Many ignorant parents will believe that their children are being healed by these routines, when in fact they are being indoctrinated, through coersion and manipulation.
LCNlin

United States

#1712 Dec 26, 2013
An evangelical atheist troll is one who not only believes
there is no god or other supreme being,
but is obsessed with convincing everyone around them to become an atheist too.

Amusing and often O C D :-)
Jim

Scunthorpe, UK

#1713 Dec 26, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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faith isn't supposed to contradict with science, if it did then it must be a fake or a manipulated religion.
Now you understand atheism.
Jim

Scunthorpe, UK

#1714 Dec 26, 2013
LCNlin wrote:
An evangelical atheist troll is one who not only believes
there is no god or other supreme being,
but is obsessed with convincing everyone around them to become an atheist too.
Amusing and often O C D :-)
Nobody belives what creationists with no evidence of god have to say.
DGW

Nicosia, Cyprus

#1715 Dec 27, 2013
Hate Preacher wrote:
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All Abrahamic religions are evil at the core. Christians killed 100 million Native Americans.
LOL..There weren't six million Indians in North America when white Europeans arrived. How did they manage to kill 100,000,000 then?
DGW

Nicosia, Cyprus

#1716 Dec 27, 2013
Jim wrote:
Religious insititions will often seek out people who are more prone to schoziphrenia, autism and other psychologial disorders, because the people are easier to manipulate and respond well to brainwashing routines like hymns and prayers.
If you chose not to believe, that is fine, but please offer a tab bit of proof before you arrogate.

Religion has been a prominent part of human existence for centuries, whereas the study of psychological disorders is relatively new by comparison. Your contempt of religion is not proof of what you claim.

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