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Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad

There are 3049 comments on the Examiner.com story from Sep 14, 2013, titled Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad. In it, Examiner.com reports that:

"The God of the Qur'an is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

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#1677 Dec 24, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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This is true and many of them put scientific understanding before their faith
or maybe their scientific understanding doesn't contradict with their faith

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#1678 Dec 24, 2013
Trisha wrote:
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What is true is that your faith is based on lies. What is weird is that muslims are so stupid and brainwashed that they refuse to accept reality and truth.
and the reality should be that god the all forgiving decided to kill his one and only son or himself on the cross to atone the criminals sins, we have 2 probabilities here; -if Jesus was god then god killed himself for humans.
-if Jesus was the son of god then god killed his son so the humans will survive.
in both cases criminals survive and in both cases the bad win, doesn't that make god a corrupt and an unjust Judge ??
its whether that or mark, Luke, Mathew and Paul modified the scriptures to fit their own point of view, its pretty obvious because of the huge differences in stories and the way of narrating of each version.

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#1679 Dec 24, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Actually, no there isn’t, certainly not as described in then babble
Also. there is no evidence that the abarahamic god, whatever you choose to name him, existed either.
But than never stopped you worshipping allah
oh the aggressive girl is back..!!!, lets put aside all religions and try to discuss what is normal and what is abnormal, I think believing in a creator is completely normal and was done from the very first appearing of human beings, on the other hand not believing in a creator is abnormal simply because you cannot say lets prove someone built my house.
beside the god I worship existed way before Abraham and chose so many prophets to deliver the message before Abraham.

“Evil Atheist :-)”

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#1680 Dec 24, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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oh the aggressive girl is back..!!!, lets put aside all religions and try to discuss what is normal and what is abnormal, I think believing in a creator is completely normal and was done from the very first appearing of human beings, on the other hand not believing in a creator is abnormal simply because you cannot say lets prove someone built my house.
But suppose your house is a cave. Is that built by a designer or a product of natural processes?:

Believing in a creator may be normal for most people but only until they understand how natural processes can result in increased complexity (especially chemistry and evolution) then the problems of how a creator capable of creating this universe can just exist without explanation become more evident.
Thinking

Windsor, UK

#1681 Dec 24, 2013
I don't need any bearded muslim paedophile to tell me how to wash my privates.
I keep myself very clean.
hazem selawi wrote:
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why do you always speak in general ??! the term fatwa has a very wide scope.
washing your privates after using the bathroom can be referred to as fatwa for instance, so you certainly cannot say all fatwas are ridiculous you may contradict yourself.

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#1682 Dec 24, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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But suppose your house is a cave. Is that built by a designer or a product of natural processes?:
Believing in a creator may be normal for most people but only until they understand how natural processes can result in increased complexity (especially chemistry and evolution) then the problems of how a creator capable of creating this universe can just exist without explanation become more evident.
but we still cannot get products of a natural process without having specific rules to guarantee a continues process and improvements to eventually get the final products as we have today, no matter what you say, we would always need a start.

“Evil Atheist :-)”

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#1683 Dec 24, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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but we still cannot get products of a natural process without having specific rules to guarantee a continues process and improvements to eventually get the final products as we have today, no matter what you say, we would always need a start.
Ok so lets say there is a definite start to the universe. That can't be a God because a God would require a cause.
If you want to claim God doesn't need a cause then you are claiming that an incredibly powerful and intelligent entity just exists without reason. That makes even less sense than the universe just existing without cause as the universe is far simpler. The universe only needs to create basic physics whilst a God requires an incredible intellect and the power to use it.

A universe without God is simply simpler.
LCNLin

United States

#1684 Dec 24, 2013
Richard Dawkins shift to being agnostic may have been to sell more books?

There seems gold in theology?

Richard Dawkins Net Worth 135 Million

http://www.therichest.com/celebnetworth/celeb...
Thinking

Windsor, UK

#1685 Dec 24, 2013
jesus was an Atheist.
Mahmood

Markham, Canada

#1686 Dec 24, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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of course you could, I only recommended mubarakpuri's book because it was highly appreciated by big Muslim scholars and got so many prizes for the accuracy and depended on authentic and original sources, and Yusuf Islam's way in narrating is really good and exciting.
there are numerous books and biographies written by Orientalists who dont know the true and actual essence of Islam thus some of them failed to reflect an accurate image of Mohammed Peace be Upon him.
I have read many biographies of Mohammad written by Muslims as well as Orientalists. Contrary to popular Islamic opinion, the orientalist have written whatever Muslims have penned . People like Montgomery Watt & Maxime Rodinson have not written anything which can be construed as lie - they only vary in opinions. For example Watt does not feel strongly about the execution of the Banu Qurayza whereas Maxmime Rodinson is critical, that is the only difference.

What exactly do you mean by "original and authentic sources"?

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#1687 Dec 24, 2013
Mahmood wrote:
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I have read many biographies of Mohammad written by Muslims as well as Orientalists. Contrary to popular Islamic opinion, the orientalist have written whatever Muslims have penned . People like Montgomery Watt & Maxime Rodinson have not written anything which can be construed as lie - they only vary in opinions. For example Watt does not feel strongly about the execution of the Banu Qurayza whereas Maxmime Rodinson is critical, that is the only difference.
What exactly do you mean by "original and authentic sources"?
yeah, fair enough but I think those orientalists wrote their books depending on their point of view, one's gotta be a muslim to understand the actual message of Islam accurately, by original and authentic sources I meant the grade of Hadiths as you know hadiths of Mohammed varies between authentic (Sahih), good(Hasan) and weak

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#1688 Dec 24, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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Ok so lets say there is a definite start to the universe. That can't be a God because a God would require a cause.
If you want to claim God doesn't need a cause then you are claiming that an incredibly powerful and intelligent entity just exists without reason. That makes even less sense than the universe just existing without cause as the universe is far simpler. The universe only needs to create basic physics whilst a God requires an incredible intellect and the power to use it.
A universe without God is simply simpler.
if the existence of god requires a cause or was the result of a specific cause, he wouldnt be a god anymore that would make him with a beginning and if he had a beginning , he would certainly have an end and thus is a creature and supposed to be created by another creator.
So when the Quran states about god "He is the First and the Last, the Ascendant and the Intimate, and He is, of all things, Knowing."

this verse solves the dilemma, suppose you made up 2 pens and somehow you were able to give them minds and let them think about their creation..!! I think it would be impossible to convince those pens that their creator isn't used by someone else for writing and doesn't have a very big Stock of Ink, the point is the rules within our world shouldn't and cannot be applied to the creator because he is the one who created these rules in the first place, within our dimension and our lives everything needs a creator and we can never have something out of nothing, this rule cannot be applied to the one who created it.
and among other things we cannot say where is God ..!! simply because he is the one who found the where and when.
if you are asking if god existed he should be created by another god and so on , I think you are on the right path to find what you have been looking for.

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#1689 Dec 24, 2013
Thinking wrote:
I don't need any bearded muslim paedophile to tell me how to wash my privates.
I keep myself very clean.
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Me or any Muslim shouldn't kill you because of fatwas, being good and kind to your parents , neighbors ...etc is a result of many fatwas , you can say whatever you want but you cannot say fatwas are ridiculous, you not needing any of these fatwas certainly doesnt make any of them ridiculous, not to mention that fatwas prove that Islam is flexible and was sent by god to be the last religion that covers every aspect in life.

and whats your problem with beards ?? don't you think that shaving beards would make men look exactly like women, would you be attracted to hairy women ??
I think the differences in looks between men and women is one of the causes for attraction,
that's why women are rarely attracted to sissy boys, and men are rarely attracted to masculine girls as well, that's my opinion and doesn't represent what Islam teaches.

“Evil Atheist :-)”

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#1690 Dec 24, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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if the existence of god requires a cause or was the result of a specific cause, he wouldnt be a god anymore that would make him with a beginning and if he had a beginning , he would certainly have an end and thus is a creature and supposed to be created by another creator.
So when the Quran states about god "He is the First and the Last, the Ascendant and the Intimate, and He is, of all things, Knowing."
this verse solves the dilemma, suppose you made up 2 pens and somehow you were able to give them minds and let them think about their creation..!! I think it would be impossible to convince those pens that their creator isn't used by someone else for writing and doesn't have a very big Stock of Ink, the point is the rules within our world shouldn't and cannot be applied to the creator because he is the one who created these rules in the first place, within our dimension and our lives everything needs a creator and we can never have something out of nothing, this rule cannot be applied to the one who created it.
and among other things we cannot say where is God ..!! simply because he is the one who found the where and when.
if you are asking if god existed he should be created by another god and so on , I think you are on the right path to find what you have been looking for.
You're still missing my main point which is that if something can just exist without explanation then why can't that be the laws of physics rather than a God?
The laws of physics (or there precursor) has to be a lot simpler than an amazingly powerful and intelligent God.

Putting God outside this universe just creates another universe that also needs explaining and so solves nothing.

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#1691 Dec 24, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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You're still missing my main point which is that if something can just exist without explanation then why can't that be the laws of physics rather than a God?
The laws of physics (or there precursor) has to be a lot simpler than an amazingly powerful and intelligent God.
Putting God outside this universe just creates another universe that also needs explaining and so solves nothing.
your theory doesn't work , because its not about which way is simpler or more complex, because god is out of the equation , you cannot explain or measure him , if we succeeded to measure god like physics laws or tried to understand how he existed;that would make us like the 2 pens which think their creator was created out of plastic and/or is used for writing.

Besides if those laws of physics were created or evolved out of nothing that would be more frequent within our world and then we may find in our daily life things out of nothing.

even if the universe was found out of nothing we then would need nothing and nothing should have come out of nothing to make a difference between nothing and something.
there must have been something before nothing so we can tell the difference between nothing and something.
Thinking

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#1692 Dec 24, 2013
I'm not a paedophile so I'm not scared of female pubic hair.

People did good things before your religion was invented. Therefore fatwas are pathetic.
hazem selawi wrote:
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Me or any Muslim shouldn't kill you because of fatwas, being good and kind to your parents , neighbors ...etc is a result of many fatwas , you can say whatever you want but you cannot say fatwas are ridiculous, you not needing any of these fatwas certainly doesnt make any of them ridiculous, not to mention that fatwas prove that Islam is flexible and was sent by god to be the last religion that covers every aspect in life.
and whats your problem with beards ?? don't you think that shaving beards would make men look exactly like women, would you be attracted to hairy women ??
I think the differences in looks between men and women is one of the causes for attraction,
that's why women are rarely attracted to sissy boys, and men are rarely attracted to masculine girls as well, that's my opinion and doesn't represent what Islam teaches.

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#1693 Dec 24, 2013
Thinking wrote:
I'm not a paedophile so I'm not scared of female pubic hair.
People did good things before your religion was invented. Therefore fatwas are pathetic.
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nobody mentioned pubic hair, I meant hairy like in the face.
Thinking

Windsor, UK

#1694 Dec 24, 2013
Me too.
hazem selawi wrote:
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nobody mentioned pubic hair, I meant hairy like in the face.
LCNLin

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#1695 Dec 24, 2013
Richard Dawkins is a man who pummels others for the inconsistencies of their beliefs. That, perhaps, is why it's so interesting to read Dawkins' recent interview with Isaac Chotiner, and see how inconsistent and uncertain Dawkins himself can be.

The result might not please certain atheists, but it makes Dawkins out to be, well, a human being.

If you've ever wondered what Dawkins thinks about Jews winning Nobel Prizes, or whether someone who so fetishizes empirical evidence is even capable of reading novels (“I never quite understood why you would read fiction to understand the human condition”), then this is the interview for you.

A couple of gems:

Isaac Chotiner: One thing I've noticed is that you often use the argument that religion is something that we choose, unlike, say, race or sexual orientation. I wonder what the word 'choose' means if you go to, say, a poor, religious, Muslim country.

Richard Dawkins: You don't really get much choice…I would like to find a way in which people in Saudi Arabia could learn that they can be something other than a Muslim. Some people may not realize this. Of course, there is the problem that you can get in trouble or get stoned.

IC: Small side effects.

In the past, Dawkins has made blanket statements about the Muslim world without regard to politics, colonial history, the stifling effectof petropolitics, or, you know, any other sort of context. Do we have some admission here that religious beliefs are shaped by more than intellectual free will and faith?

Maybe, maybe not. But Chotiner is ready with some follow-ups. In regard to Dawkins’ tweet about Muslims winning fewer Nobel Prizes than the scholars of Trinity College, Cambridge:

RD: That was unfortunate. I should have compared religion with religion and compared Islam not with Trinity College but with Jews, because the number of Jews who have won Nobel Prizes is phenomenally high.

IC: OK, but what do you make of that?

RD: Race does not come into it. It is pure religion and culture…

IC: I still want to know what you draw from this. Do you think the Torah is more progressive than the Koran?

RD: No, I doubt it. I don't think that.

IC: So then what?

RD: I haven't thought it through. I don't know.

Did Richard Dawkins just say that a religious tradition can contribute to producing better scientists? I’m pretty sure he just did. More amazingly: did Richard Dawkins just say I don’t know?


I don’t mean to sound critical: throughout the interview, Dawkins comes across as a thoughtful listener, open to examining his own points, and even, perhaps, open to seeing some nuance in a tricky set of issues. The shame is not that he’s a bit inconsistent. The shame is that we don’t see this side of him more often.

http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispatches/...
Jim

Scunthorpe, UK

#1696 Dec 25, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
Richard Dawkins shift to being agnostic may have been to sell more books?
There seems gold in theology?
Richard Dawkins Net Worth 135 Million
http://www.therichest.com/celebnetworth/celeb...
LCN the Creationist troll still lying about Atheists on Christmas day about Dawkins. Just sad.

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