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There are 3146 comments on the Examiner.com story from Sep 14, 2013, titled Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad. In it, Examiner.com reports that:

"The God of the Qur'an is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

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#1577 Dec 16, 2013
Thinking wrote:
I buy from an award winning butchers in Hazlemere so I certainly pay more for meat.
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I buy my most of my meat from a farm, the farmer has shown me around his property including his slaughter house and ageing rooms. He’s open and honest about what he does and how he does it. He sells to several hotels restaurants and country houses in the area so is very well respected for quality

Hi, I hope you had a great weekend…

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#1578 Dec 16, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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Alright, If thats what makes you sleep at night..!!
Humanitarianism

Yes it helps…you should try it sometime.

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#1579 Dec 16, 2013
Thinking wrote:
For the next nine or so hours, in my time zone at least, I will not disagree with that.
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Can’t say for sure if I can agree with him on anything, as yet he never said anything I can agree with

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#1580 Dec 16, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Humanitarianism
Yes it helps…you should try it sometime.
"And when it is said to them, "Do not cause corruption on the earth," they say, "We are but reformers."
"Unquestionably, it is they who are the corrupters, but they perceive [it] not".

are you really that blind that you cannot notice the difference between Islamic slaughtering and a captive bolt pistol ??!! or you are just fooling yourself ?
you forgot that your meat would still be a very good environment for bacteria and Microbes hence it would be full of blood.

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treat you they get offended.

#1581 Dec 16, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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"And when it is said to them, "Do not cause corruption on the earth," they say, "We are but reformers."
"Unquestionably, it is they who are the corrupters, but they perceive [it] not".
are you really that blind that you cannot notice the difference between Islamic slaughtering and a captive bolt pistol ??!! or you are just fooling yourself ?
you forgot that your meat would still be a very good environment for bacteria and Microbes hence it would be full of blood.
Nope not blind at all, stunning the animal then zapping with a captive bolt, compared to slitting throat and watching it convulse in its dying throes while praying to allah

Are you saying that flesh without blood is less prone to bacteria?

Or are you just full of even more BS?

I can guarantee that even after halal slaughter there would still be blood in the tissue.
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#1582 Dec 16, 2013
I did, thanks. Our friends take us out to champagne tea each Christmas and this time it was the turn of the Savoy to put up with us. Then we went on to Me, which affords great views of London from a rather well heated balcony. It got messy for some of us. Luckily the train back only takes 24 minutes.

Good fun had by all, no fatwas or religious police involved.

How about yourself?
ChristineM wrote:
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I buy my most of my meat from a farm, the farmer has shown me around his property including his slaughter house and ageing rooms. He’s open and honest about what he does and how he does it. He sells to several hotels restaurants and country houses in the area so is very well respected for quality
Hi, I hope you had a great weekend…

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#1583 Dec 16, 2013
Mahmood wrote:
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All these stories found in pre-Islamic literature are all works of fiction with no truth in them. Most Jewish scholars will tell you that from a scientific angle, Moses never wrote the Torah. Stories surrounding Moses are all lies, Pharoah's army drowning is lie, the exodus is a lie, and so is the story of Noah's Ark. When fables like these are found in the Koran, what does that tell you? It tells me that Koran too is a work of someone's imagination.
But remember you are trying to argue with Muslims and they think those stories are true.

You can of course show Muslims the evidence against those stories but that's not what we are discussing here.

My point is that you can't use the existence of Bible stories in the Quran as an argument against the Quran as it's supposed to be the same God, so they should be there.
Proving the stories are rubbish is a different argument.

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#1584 Dec 16, 2013
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Never mind the details, I am not too hung up on the details. As long as the theme and ideas are the same, little details dont matter. You dont need to be a rocket scientist to take a story and give it your own rendition.
Oh those details matter. They are the best evidence there is that Muhammad was just repeating badly remembered tales. If they were from a God they would be much better.

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#1585 Dec 16, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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that is one of the biggest problems with translations, no matter how much the translator try to be accurate he would still give general meanings of verses, its not a coincidence that the Quran was revealed in Arabic, Arabic language tends to be complicated and one word may carry a different meaning depending on the location of the verb and/or the adjective or noun ..etc, not to mention the wide grammar rules.
English is a very accurate language so please don't try telling me verses can't be translated accurately.
hazem selawi wrote:
if you want to understand verses perfectly you should read them in Arabic, if you did we won't be having this conversation about expander and expanding because the word means the universe is still expanding with no doubt.
Yet somehow early translators didn't read it that way.
hazem selawi wrote:
Anyways these signs in the Quran can be understood by specialized scientists in a specific field, like the embryology verse it made no sense to you while for Keithth Moore the specialized embryologist made perfect sense,
Keith Moore made his statement just before he started a very well paid job in Saudi Arabia. He was basically trapped at a press conference into either saying nice things about the verses or not getting the Job.
hazem selawi wrote:
Maurice Bucaille who was close to some specialized scientists in the history of Egypt was shocked when found out about the name of HAMAN (Pharaoh's Assistant) and knew it was impossible for Mohammed to know the name of Haman because this name was discovered after translating the symbols of Hieroglyphics later in the 19th century and later on found out about the Mummy of the Pharoah who drowned in the sea and his body remained as a clue,
10:92 "So today We will save you in body that you may be to those who succeed you a sign. And indeed, many among the people, of Our signs, are heedless "
So amongst all the names found in many tombs in Egypt (there must be hundreds if not thousands) there's one called Hemen-hetep whose an overseer of the stonemasons of Amun.
http://www.globalegyptianmuseum.org/detail.as...
First problem is that the correct pronunciation of Egyptian hieroglyphs isn't known, but even if it's basically correct there's still the problem that the Haman of the Quran was far more important than an overseer of stonemasons.
hazem selawi wrote:
39:6"....He creates you in the wombs of your mothers, creation after creation, within three darknesses. That is Allah , your Lord; to Him belongs dominion. There is no deity except Him, so how are you averted?
why does the verse say three darknesses not four or five ??
What makes you think this miracle will be any better than the rest?
Mahmood

Peterborough, Canada

#1586 Dec 16, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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But remember you are trying to argue with Muslims and they think those stories are true.
You can of course show Muslims the evidence against those stories but that's not what we are discussing here.
My point is that you can't use the existence of Bible stories in the Quran as an argument against the Quran as it's supposed to be the same God, so they should be there.
Proving the stories are rubbish is a different argument.
You and both agree that the Bible is false - is that correct?

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#1587 Dec 16, 2013
Mahmood wrote:
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You and both agree that the Bible is false - is that correct?
Yes.

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#1588 Dec 17, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Nope not blind at all, stunning the animal then zapping with a captive bolt, compared to slitting throat and watching it convulse in its dying throes while praying to allah
Are you saying that flesh without blood is less prone to bacteria?
Or are you just full of even more BS?
I can guarantee that even after halal slaughter there would still be blood in the tissue.
I think we previously agreed that the slaughtered animal will keep shaking, so most of the blood will gush out through the severed artery hence most of the organs will shake strongly as a reaction, so yes its scientifically proved through multiple experiments that most of the blood will come out.
besides muslims don't pray while slaughtering , we only say Bismillah and FYI the slaughtered animal shouldnt be slaughtered in front of others animals and its eyes should be covered.

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#1589 Dec 17, 2013
Thinking wrote:
I did, thanks. Our friends take us out to champagne tea each Christmas and this time it was the turn of the Savoy to put up with us. Then we went on to Me, which affords great views of London from a rather well heated balcony. It got messy for some of us. Luckily the train back only takes 24 minutes.
Good fun had by all, no fatwas or religious police involved.
How about yourself?
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I dont wonna ruin your little party, you are not supposed to celebrate Christmas, how the hell can you celebrate the birth of someone you don't believe he ever existed or is a son of rape as ChristineM claimed.

“When you treat people as they ”

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treat you they get offended.

#1590 Dec 17, 2013
Thinking wrote:
I did, thanks. Our friends take us out to champagne tea each Christmas and this time it was the turn of the Savoy to put up with us. Then we went on to Me, which affords great views of London from a rather well heated balcony. It got messy for some of us. Luckily the train back only takes 24 minutes.
Good fun had by all, no fatwas or religious police involved.
How about yourself?
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I spent a weekend with some French friends at the Savoy last spring, nice.

Well you did ask so here goes… My weekend was pretty usual although more expensive than most, seasonal food and celebration cognac, malt, wine & champagne to stock up. Freezers are full now,(small mercies).

Here’s why.

This weekend is the biggie then relax until new year and then the real biggie.

We are doing Saturnalia again this year, it starts today. We usually do a different celebration theme each year and the kids loved being the boss so much last year they wanted a repeat (I can’t imagine why). Just to get into the swing I scattered am extra bonus wrapped as prezzies around the office this morning. We have the works do on Friday, it starts at Paul Heathcoat’s MBE (had to squeeze that in, he insists) then The Warehouse,(it’s a student indy rock club, democratic choice I’m afraid)– what would Marvin say?“I’m sure I won’t enjoy it”…

…then the kids are having a saturnalia theme party on Saturday, oh joy.

Sunday we are off to the lakes for some winter relaxation away from all the chistmas madness. Actually I’m sure it will be just as mad up there. We come back on 28th to a family do at Angels in Ribchester (village I was brunged up in – LOL) then our traditional Hogmanay (My Caithness heritage I’m afraid, hence filling the freezers and the dozen bottles of malt). You will imagine a quite new years party for family and friends including about 40 (estimate) from north of the border all as determined to welcome the new year in the traditional style as they would up north. I’m getting too old for this.

Here’s one for you. the reason why I don’t drink much, just the odd glass of wine or cognac, probably amounts to less than 20 units a year. As a student I went to a Hogmanay do in Glasgow. I don’t know why but the drink of the night was potcheen (the real (unlabelled) stuff smuggled from Ireland). I woke up next morning (mid afternoon) in a flat 50 miles away in Edinburgh with no idea how I got there and no way back, it’s amazing how closed everywhere is on the 1st. For three days after, each time I had a drink I was blind drunk again.

It’s great the freedom you can enjoy when there are no religious police looking over your shoulder.
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#1591 Dec 17, 2013
You don't get the slightest say on what I celebrate or don't celebrate. I get to enjoy christmas without going near a retard centre (AKA any place of worship).

I also think the jesus birth myth is very rapey. Why didn't god just sh!t out a big jesus egg rather than interfering with a young girl?
hazem selawi wrote:
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I dont wonna ruin your little party, you are not supposed to celebrate Christmas, how the hell can you celebrate the birth of someone you don't believe he ever existed or is a son of rape as ChristineM claimed.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#1592 Dec 17, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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I think we previously agreed that the slaughtered animal will keep shaking, so most of the blood will gush out through the severed artery hence most of the organs will shake strongly as a reaction, so yes its scientifically proved through multiple experiments that most of the blood will come out.
besides muslims don't pray while slaughtering , we only say Bismillah and FYI the slaughtered animal shouldnt be slaughtered in front of others animals and its eyes should be covered.
Nope, you made the statement and claimed scientific evidence that this was good, I did not agree.

Wrong, only a small (ish) proportion of blood is in arteries, more than half is in tissue and veins.

You can excuse the violent shaking of an animal with it’s throat cut in any way you like, until you have actually tried it for yourself you can have no real idea of the facts.

Please provide links to these “peer reviewed” experiments, as yet you have mentioned these so called scientific experiments a few times and provided absolutely FOOKALL to back up your statement. As I have noted before you are taught to lie for your faith so why do you expect anyone to believe any word you say about your faith without evidence?

I believe I have mentioned chanting a few times, a ritual chant to a god is a prayer, and in this case the name of the chant itself means in the name of allah. A chant to your god, a prayer to your god, who the hell cares?

As to whether the animal is slaughtered in front of other animals, what difference does it make when it is slaughtered in front of several chanting people? But here ya go,
http://boycotthalal.org/wp-content/uploads/20...
Notice the cow in the background and the calf to the left, do stop lying for your faith, it’s just pathetic and I have no tolerance for lies, the more you lie the more you will be exposed as a liar. Here is another, notice the dead sheep lined up on the left and the live ones panicking to escape on the right and one watching?
http://www.habitatadvocate.com.au/wp-content/...

Oh look, funny that the animals did not have its eyes covered either. So eyes covered, total BS, there are thousands of images on google that show the animal being slaughtered for halal meat, none have their eyes covered. NONE
https://www.google.co.uk/search...

20 years ago it was easy to lie for your faith, now there is a thing called the interent that allows people to actually check what you are saying. Is it any wonder that so many Muslim countries censor the internet?
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#1593 Dec 17, 2013
Sounds like you'll have a lot of fun. It's a long time since I played out in the Preston area. Back in my student years we used to eat at some Winston Churchill WW2 themed pizza place, that was a lot of fun.

I hope you're not paying VAT on your Heathcote meal, he'll only pocket it.

I'm about 25 minutes from Le Manoir aux Quat' Saisons where Heathcote studied for 12 years. I bought my wife and a friend a day's cooking there with Raymond Blanc and his team. They really enjoyed it, especially our friend who developed a bit of a thing for a rather hunky chef.

20 units a year? It's always good to know a designated driver this time of year.

I didn't know you were from the Highlands. That drive up from Ullapool to Durness and beyond is one of my all time favourites. I must do it again, maybe in the summer.
ChristineM wrote:
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I spent a weekend with some French friends at the Savoy last spring, nice.
Well you did ask so here goes… My weekend was pretty usual although more expensive than most, seasonal food and celebration cognac, malt, wine & champagne to stock up. Freezers are full now,(small mercies).
Here’s why.
This weekend is the biggie then relax until new year and then the real biggie.
We are doing Saturnalia again this year, it starts today. We usually do a different celebration theme each year and the kids loved being the boss so much last year they wanted a repeat (I can’t imagine why). Just to get into the swing I scattered am extra bonus wrapped as prezzies around the office this morning. We have the works do on Friday, it starts at Paul Heathcoat’s MBE (had to squeeze that in, he insists) then The Warehouse,(it’s a student indy rock club, democratic choice I’m afraid)– what would Marvin say?“I’m sure I won’t enjoy it”…
…then the kids are having a saturnalia theme party on Saturday, oh joy.
Sunday we are off to the lakes for some winter relaxation away from all the chistmas madness. Actually I’m sure it will be just as mad up there. We come back on 28th to a family do at Angels in Ribchester (village I was brunged up in – LOL) then our traditional Hogmanay (My Caithness heritage I’m afraid, hence filling the freezers and the dozen bottles of malt). You will imagine a quite new years party for family and friends including about 40 (estimate) from north of the border all as determined to welcome the new year in the traditional style as they would up north. I’m getting too old for this.
Here’s one for you. the reason why I don’t drink much, just the odd glass of wine or cognac, probably amounts to less than 20 units a year. As a student I went to a Hogmanay do in Glasgow. I don’t know why but the drink of the night was potcheen (the real (unlabelled) stuff smuggled from Ireland). I woke up next morning (mid afternoon) in a flat 50 miles away in Edinburgh with no idea how I got there and no way back, it’s amazing how closed everywhere is on the 1st. For three days after, each time I had a drink I was blind drunk again.
It’s great the freedom you can enjoy when there are no religious police looking over your shoulder.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#1594 Dec 17, 2013
Thinking wrote:
You don't get the slightest say on what I celebrate or don't celebrate. I get to enjoy christmas without going near a retard centre (AKA any place of worship).
I also think the jesus birth myth is very rapey. Why didn't god just sh!t out a big jesus egg rather than interfering with a young girl?
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Could be because they can associate with interfering with young girls and rape far easier than a giant god egg falling from the sky.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#1595 Dec 17, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Sounds like you'll have a lot of fun. It's a long time since I played out in the Preston area. Back in my student years we used to eat at some Winston Churchill WW2 themed pizza place, that was a lot of fun.
I hope you're not paying VAT on your Heathcote meal, he'll only pocket it.
I'm about 25 minutes from Le Manoir aux Quat' Saisons where Heathcote studied for 12 years. I bought my wife and a friend a day's cooking there with Raymond Blanc and his team. They really enjoyed it, especially our friend who developed a bit of a thing for a rather hunky chef.
20 units a year? It's always good to know a designated driver this time of year.
I didn't know you were from the Highlands. That drive up from Ullapool to Durness and beyond is one of my all time favourites. I must do it again, maybe in the summer.
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It seems that just about every other shop here is a pizza or burger place now, University town so expected. I think I know the place you mean though, was it at the top of Fishergate? I seem to remember a ww2 themed place up there, if that was it I’m not sure if it’s a waterstones or a timespast now.

I’m sure he won’t dodge his vat anymore – lol – people are watching,(unless he can get away with it)- still he’s a bloody good chef. One of the nicest meals I have had in this country was at simply heathcoats in Manchester (closed now) it was outstanding, even the water had an edge.

Yup, funny how I always end up driving.

I was born in Lancashire so have no trace of northern accent, my mother is Scottish, Gunn Clan but moved to Lancashire as a young child and only betrays her accent when she’s tired. The Clan originally had a back garden called Caithness, bit smaller now. I recently changed the wording of my avatar, it used to be Aut Pax Aut Bellum – clan motto, will return to it soon, it describes me precisely.

It’s sure a beautiful part of the country in a rough and rugged sort of way. The lakes are reminiscent it but on a much smaller scale (and with better roads)
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#1596 Dec 17, 2013
We used to visit BAe Warton friends living in St. Annes and Preston. They always led the way so we didn't really know where we or Winston's was. It was themed like a bunker, complete with gas masks and propaganda posters.

A bit like much of the Middle East is these days but with better beer and wine. We had some good nights there.

I really love the North West corner of the Black Isle. By the time you get east to Thurso, it's all gone relatively flat and a lot less interesting.
ChristineM wrote:
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It seems that just about every other shop here is a pizza or burger place now, University town so expected. I think I know the place you mean though, was it at the top of Fishergate? I seem to remember a ww2 themed place up there, if that was it I’m not sure if it’s a waterstones or a timespast now.
I’m sure he won’t dodge his vat anymore – lol – people are watching,(unless he can get away with it)- still he’s a bloody good chef. One of the nicest meals I have had in this country was at simply heathcoats in Manchester (closed now) it was outstanding, even the water had an edge.
Yup, funny how I always end up driving.
I was born in Lancashire so have no trace of northern accent, my mother is Scottish, Gunn Clan but moved to Lancashire as a young child and only betrays her accent when she’s tired. The Clan originally had a back garden called Caithness, bit smaller now. I recently changed the wording of my avatar, it used to be Aut Pax Aut Bellum – clan motto, will return to it soon, it describes me precisely.
It’s sure a beautiful part of the country in a rough and rugged sort of way. The lakes are reminiscent it but on a much smaller scale (and with better roads)

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