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There are 3146 comments on the Examiner.com story from Sep 14, 2013, titled Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad. In it, Examiner.com reports that:

"The God of the Qur'an is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

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#1497 Dec 12, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Here is one - hazem selawi
so you started out of nothing, that's interesting; Do you think its possible to be brought again after death from nothing ?
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#1498 Dec 12, 2013
You're not a non-believer so stop acting like you are an expert on non-belief.
hazem selawi wrote:
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as you said you are not a Muslim, so please stop acting like you are an expert with the religion of Islam.
As I told you before after 9/11 and the huge organized Media campaign against Islam; tens of thousands of people converted to Islam apparently those new converts unlike you were really curious about Islam and went to the trusted true sources which teach people the actual message of Islam.
but hey you are totally free to look up Islamic terms in the dictionary, I could look up Astronomical terms in your dictionary but that wouldn't make an Astronomer.
you Jumped to the conclusion that Jihad is all about killing the unbelievers, you skipped thousands of teachings, that I call complete ignorance.
yet if anyone tries to show the true message of Islam you accuse them of being liars, hypocrites and/or funny-mentalist, that I call ignorance and arrogance.
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#1499 Dec 12, 2013
haram salami wuvs you.[sic]
ChristineM wrote:
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Here is one - hazem selawi

“Be strong ...”

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#1500 Dec 12, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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as you said you are not a Muslim, so please stop acting like you are an expert with the religion of Islam.
As I told you before after 9/11 and the huge organized Media campaign against Islam; tens of thousands of people converted to Islam apparently those new converts unlike you were really curious about Islam and went to the trusted true sources which teach people the actual message of Islam.
but hey you are totally free to look up Islamic terms in the dictionary, I could look up Astronomical terms in your dictionary but that wouldn't make an Astronomer.
you Jumped to the conclusion that Jihad is all about killing the unbelievers, you skipped thousands of teachings, that I call complete ignorance.
yet if anyone tries to show the true message of Islam you accuse them of being liars, hypocrites and/or funny-mentalist, that I call ignorance and arrogance.
Like I said I am not a Muslim so pleas stop acting like a good Muslim man and telling me what I can and cannot do on a public thread.

Yes and? So what? There are thousands of people convert to a new pop star every single week. And next week to another one and another.

So rather than look up in a dictionary you would prefer me to accept your word? Oh wait a moment you would not say, instead you challenged me twice.

OK so what is it about if it’s not about killing the infidel? Perhaps you have interpretations form other parts of the quran that modify the meaning?

You have had nothing to show me worth considering and what you have shown me has so many holes in it you can strain spaghetti. Call it what you like, what is p|ssing you off is the fact that I (and others) see right trough your sham.

“Be strong ...”

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...I whispered to my coffee

#1501 Dec 12, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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so you started out of nothing, that's interesting; Do you think its possible to be brought again after death from nothing ?
After death you are dead - qed

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#1502 Dec 12, 2013
Thinking wrote:
You're not a non-believer so stop acting like you are an expert on non-belief.
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I totally agree with you, I nearly know nothing about non-belief.
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#1503 Dec 12, 2013
If some future technology allowed you to be reconstituted after what we today would call death, would we not have to redefine death?
hazem selawi wrote:
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so you started out of nothing, that's interesting; Do you think its possible to be brought again after death from nothing ?

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#1504 Dec 12, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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After death you are dead - qed
didnt you start from nothing ?! why is it that impossible to be brought again from nothing ?

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#1505 Dec 12, 2013
Thinking wrote:
I criticise other idiocy too.
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you are a retired old man, when are you gonna admit that I was right ?! how is the retiring plan going with you ?
not worth it haa ..!!!

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#1506 Dec 12, 2013
Thinking wrote:
If some future technology allowed you to be reconstituted after what we today would call death, would we not have to redefine death?
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Yes of course.
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#1507 Dec 12, 2013
Wrong as usual, haram salami.

I may have paid off my mortgage aged 31 but I am a long way from retiring.

Given up on your koran BS, I see.
hazem selawi wrote:
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you are a retired old man, when are you gonna admit that I was right ?! how is the retiring plan going with you ?
not worth it haa ..!!!
Mahmood

Peterborough, Canada

#1508 Dec 12, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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can you give us some examples ?!
Examples? Islam is a complete way of life. It's not just a cult, it has it's own ideological and political agenda. Islam does not recognize any other form of government but its own - either the Islamic way or the highway. Read Islamic history and read the Koran a little more carefully.

9:29 - Fight those who believe not in God and the Last Day and do not forbid what God and His Messenger have forbidden -- such men as practise not the religion of truth, being of those who have been given the Book -- until they pay the tribute out of hand and have been humbled.

2:244 - So fight in God's way, and know that God is All-hearing, All-knowing.

48:29 - Muhammad is the Messenger of God, and those who are with him are hard against the unbelievers, merciful one to another....

3:56 - As for the unbelievers, I will chastise them with a terrible chastisement in this world and the next; they shall have no helpers.

You worship a god that hates pagans, hates Jews, not a big fan of the Xtians, & only loves followers of Allah and his messengers.

Keep in mind that Islam does not allow killing of innocent civilians but at the same time it does not reject use of violence either. It's those Islamic scholars who have coined the term Dar ul Islam & Dar ul Harb, not kafirs. Once everyone has submitted to Islam, only then does it become a religion of peace.

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#1509 Dec 12, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Wrong as usual, haram salami.
I may have paid off my mortgage aged 31 but I am a long way from retiring.
Given up on your koran BS, I see.
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you were referring to me when you said haram Salami ?!!
what a nickname; Haram in Arabic means prohibited
Salami means my peace or my greetings

this could be translated as my prohibited greetings, not so bad.
you are certainly one of a kind, no wonder you paid your mortgage at the age of 30.

anyways you wanted to say something about a new technology in the future that might make us immortal, whats the point ?

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#1510 Dec 12, 2013
Mahmood wrote:
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Examples? Islam is a complete way of life. It's not just a cult, it has it's own ideological and political agenda. Islam does not recognize any other form of government but its own - either the Islamic way or the highway. Read Islamic history and read the Koran a little more carefully.
9:29 - Fight those who believe not in God and the Last Day and do not forbid what God and His Messenger have forbidden -- such men as practise not the religion of truth, being of those who have been given the Book -- until they pay the tribute out of hand and have been humbled.
2:244 - So fight in God's way, and know that God is All-hearing, All-knowing.
48:29 - Muhammad is the Messenger of God, and those who are with him are hard against the unbelievers, merciful one to another....
3:56 - As for the unbelievers, I will chastise them with a terrible chastisement in this world and the next; they shall have no helpers.
You worship a god that hates pagans, hates Jews, not a big fan of the Xtians, & only loves followers of Allah and his messengers.
Keep in mind that Islam does not allow killing of innocent civilians but at the same time it does not reject use of violence either. It's those Islamic scholars who have coined the term Dar ul Islam & Dar ul Harb, not kafirs. Once everyone has submitted to Islam, only then does it become a religion of peace.
So you do understand that Islam clearly condemn any violence towards civilians.

Quran 46:9 Say: "I am no bringer of new-fangled doctrine among the apostles, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. God is the ONLY one who can judge humans"

5:32 "whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them,[even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors. "

Quran 2:190 Fight in the cause of God those who start fighting you, but do not transgress limits (or start the attack); for God loveth not transgressors

No my Friend many Christians and Jews lived in the Islamic nations among with other muslims,the only difference between them was the percentage of Zakkah (muslims paid 2.5% while non-muslims paid 5% because they dont fight with muslims) Mohammed's neighbor was a Jew, Mohammed (PBUH) died and his shield was Mortgaged to that neighbor, later on Companions of Mohammed paid to close the debt.

Sahih Al-Bukhari HadithHadith 3.404 & 453 Narrated byAisha
Allah's Apostle bought some foodstuff (barley) from a Jew on credit and mortgaged his iron armor to him (the armor stands for a guarantor).

there are numerous stories that totally proves the tolerance and mercy in Islam.

Once, during his Caliphate, Ali Ibn Abi Talib (rta) lost his armour. One day, he saw a Jew in possession of an armour he recognized as his own. Ali (rta) approached the Jew and asked him to return his armour. The Jew refused to do so and, instead, demanded that the matter be settled by the reigning Muslim Qadi (judge).- to read the whole story http://hibamagazine.com/ali-rta-vs-a-jew/
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#1511 Dec 12, 2013
haram salami to me means prohibited pork sausage, but as you espouse suicide bombings, your translation also works.

My thought was this: will future technologies change the meaning of death?

In 1944, Austrian physicist Erwin Schrödinger defined life as that which resists decaying to disorder and equilibrium. This definition relates to the second law of thermodynamics. I heard someone say your refrigerator does this. So it is not a good definition.
hazem selawi wrote:
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you were referring to me when you said haram Salami ?!!
what a nickname; Haram in Arabic means prohibited
Salami means my peace or my greetings
this could be translated as my prohibited greetings, not so bad.
you are certainly one of a kind, no wonder you paid your mortgage at the age of 30.
anyways you wanted to say something about a new technology in the future that might make us immortal, whats the point ?

“Be strong ...”

Since: Nov 10

...I whispered to my coffee

#1512 Dec 13, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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didnt you start from nothing ?! why is it that impossible to be brought again from nothing ?
Ahh I see you want to get technical. Although I do not profess to be a teacher I can do technical, and I believe quite well but if you don’t follow then there is considerable peer reviewed scientific documentation on http://scholar.google.co.uk/

OK ‘I started with nothing (and still have most of it left)’ is a saying, a humorous comment and an album title by a rather quirky American musician (and ex hobo/tramp/whatever)
. I am sorry if it provokes anti quranic feelings in you, it was not intended. But hey, at least he’s got a beard.

Now for a bit of technical.

At it’s most basic, I started with the (reused) matter (in the form of atoms) and chemical reaction that created the foetus that was me. I have since acquired more matter so in that sense I have considerably more than I started with, therefor that the saying is incorrect.

Those atoms that comprise of that matter have been in existence since soon after the beginning of this universe. Here is a quick (10 pages with pretty pictures), light reading for the hard of understanding paper from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology that explains the development of atoms http://www.haystack.mit.edu/edu/pcr/Astrochem...

Following on from that, the atoms of my body were once part of a sun, they were made in a sun, by a sun, a sun that no longer exists. Some of the lighter atoms created by the life of the sun and the heavier ones by the death of the sun.

Atoms can combine to make molecules and from there build RNA and form cells. It is that RNA and cells that make your being, your humanity, your thought, your life and after you die they decay, they rot, the molecular structure breaks down, the you that is you dies as they return to the more basic constituents.

However the matter that makes you cannot end, cannot be created or destroyed but can only be changed. Therefore at some time in the future that matter may form part of another life or perhaps dust that will go to the formation of rocks or water or the fluff in someone’s belly button. Or maybe even, in a few billion years be involved in making a third generation sun shine brightly and bring new life on a new solar system.

Those atoms, although currently a part of you can in only the tiniest fraction of a fraction of cosmic time be said to be you, they have no memory of you or sense of you. No matter what atoms make the you that is you, at sometime in the future those atoms will form part of an infinitely expanding dust cloud as our universe cools to it’s own death.

Once you die the essence of you is for all intents and purposes dead

Wassup, does it not tell you this in the quran, it is scientific fact after all.

Or is it just easier to think allah did it with jew magic?

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#1513 Dec 13, 2013
Thinking wrote:
haram salami to me means prohibited pork sausage, but as you espouse suicide bombings, your translation also works.
My thought was this: will future technologies change the meaning of death?
In 1944, Austrian physicist Erwin Schrödinger defined life as that which resists decaying to disorder and equilibrium. This definition relates to the second law of thermodynamics. I heard someone say your refrigerator does this. So it is not a good definition.
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Since you mentioned pork, Pork may do a serious damage to your health

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/ar...
http://arkwriter.hubpages.com/hub/porkhazards
http://www.livestrong.com/article/522101-disa...

2:173 "He has only forbidden to you dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine, and that which has been dedicated to other than Allah . But whoever is forced [by necessity], neither desiring [it] nor transgressing [its limit], there is no sin upon him. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. "

6:145 "Say, "I do not find within that which was revealed to me [anything] forbidden to one who would eat it unless it be a dead animal or blood spilled out or the flesh of swine - for indeed, it is impure - or it be [that slaughtered in] disobedience, dedicated to other than Allah . But whoever is forced [by necessity], neither desiring [it] nor transgressing [its limit], then indeed, your Lord is Forgiving and Merciful."

5:3 "Prohibited to you are dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine, and that which has been dedicated to other than Allah , and [those animals] killed by strangling or by a violent blow or by a head-long fall or by the goring of horns, and those from which a wild animal has eaten, except what you [are able to] slaughter [before its death], and those which are sacrificed on stone altars, and [prohibited is] that you seek decision through divining arrows. That is grave disobedience...."

Do you know what is the difference between the islamic slaughtering of animals and your western method ??

“Be strong ...”

Since: Nov 10

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#1514 Dec 13, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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Since you mentioned pork, Pork may do a serious damage to your health
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Do you know what is the difference between the islamic slaughtering of animals and your western method ??
Almost as much as terrorists eh?

Is it the hygiene and the flies?
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#1515 Dec 13, 2013
So what? The way you grill your food in the Middle East is very carcinogenic but the koran doesn't stop that. I'm a fan of your food, btw.
hazem selawi wrote:
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Since you mentioned pork, Pork may do a serious damage to your health
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/ar...
http://arkwriter.hubpages.com/hub/porkhazards
http://www.livestrong.com/article/522101-disa...
2:173 "He has only forbidden to you dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine, and that which has been dedicated to other than Allah . But whoever is forced [by necessity], neither desiring [it] nor transgressing [its limit], there is no sin upon him. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. "
6:145 "Say, "I do not find within that which was revealed to me [anything] forbidden to one who would eat it unless it be a dead animal or blood spilled out or the flesh of swine - for indeed, it is impure - or it be [that slaughtered in] disobedience, dedicated to other than Allah . But whoever is forced [by necessity], neither desiring [it] nor transgressing [its limit], then indeed, your Lord is Forgiving and Merciful."
5:3 "Prohibited to you are dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine, and that which has been dedicated to other than Allah , and [those animals] killed by strangling or by a violent blow or by a head-long fall or by the goring of horns, and those from which a wild animal has eaten, except what you [are able to] slaughter [before its death], and those which are sacrificed on stone altars, and [prohibited is] that you seek decision through divining arrows. That is grave disobedience...."
Do you know what is the difference between the islamic slaughtering of animals and your western method ??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =ldc4jEyxPy8XX

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#1516 Dec 13, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Ahh I see you want to get technical. Although I do not profess to be a teacher I can do technical, and I believe quite well but if you don’t follow then there is considerable peer .
American hobos tend to be talented, I like that american homeless who got a big contract because of his golden voice.
ChristineM wrote:
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At it’s most basic, I started with the (reused) matter (in the form of atoms) and chemical reaction that created the foetus that was me. I have since acquired more matter so in that sense I have considerably more than I started with, therefor that the saying is incorrect.
Those atoms that comprise of that matter have been in existence since soon after the beginning of this universe. Here is a quick (10 pages with pretty pictures), light reading for the hard of understanding paper from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology that explains the development of atoms http://www.haystack.mit.edu/edu/pcr/Astrochem...
Following on from that, the atoms of my body were once part of a sun, they were made in a sun, by a sun, a sun that no longer exists. Some of the lighter atoms created by the life of the sun and the heavier ones by the death of the sun.
Atoms can combine to make molecules and from there build RNA and form cells. It is that RNA and cells that make your being, your humanity, your thought, your life and after you die they decay, they rot, the molecular structure breaks down, the you that is you dies as they return to the more basic constituents.
However the matter that makes you cannot end, cannot be created or destroyed but can only be changed. Therefore at some time in the future that matter may form part of another life or perhaps dust that will go to the formation of rocks or water or the fluff in someone’s belly button. Or maybe even, in a few billion years be involved in making a third generation sun shine brightly and bring new life on a new solar system.
Those atoms, although currently a part of you can in only the tiniest fraction of a fraction of cosmic time be said to be you, they have no memory of you or sense of you. No matter what atoms make the you that is you, at sometime in the future those atoms will form part of an infinitely expanding dust cloud as our universe cools to it’s own death.
Once you die the essence of you is for all intents and purposes dead
Wassup, does it not tell you this in the quran, it is scientific fact after all.
Or is it just easier to think allah did it with jew magic?
The Quran encourage us to look for clues ,evidences and knowledge
Allah says 18:51 "I did not make them witness to the creation of the heavens and the earth or to the creation of themselves, and I would not have taken the misguiders as assistants."

The quran confirms Hubble's law about the expanding of the universe
“And the heaven We created with might, and indeed We are (its) expander.”(Quran 51:47)

At the time of the revelation of the Quran, the word “space” was not known, and people used the word “heaven” to refer to what lies above the Earth. In the above verse, the word “heaven” is referring to space and the known universe. The verse points out that space, and thus the universe, happens to be expanding, just as Hubble’s Law states.

The Quran also confirms the Big bang theory
“Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, then We separated them, and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?”(Quran 21:30)

thus if we studied the Quran carefully we'll find the basics for nearly everything such as; psychology, astronomy, Biology, sociology, chemistry and at the same time preaches and gives laws and rules for people to succeed in this life and the after.

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