Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad

There are 20 comments on the Examiner.com story from Sep 14, 2013, titled Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad. In it, Examiner.com reports that:

"The God of the Qur'an is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

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Thinking

Windsor, UK

#1449 Dec 11, 2013
Have you seen the Four Lions jihadi comedy?

hazem selawi wrote:
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I support and agree with suicidal bombings as long as they are aiming for military in a specific way which guarantees no harm to innocent people, Just like suicidal bombings in Israel, Iraq and Afghanistan, such bombings can be done in military bases.
killing innocents, childs, women, elderly people, peaceful religious people like priests, cutting trees and killing animals through war is completely prohibited.
those are the obvious and actual teachings of Islam.

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#1450 Dec 11, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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Have you never been in a storm when the day became almost as dark as night? I have.
The verse says the darkness is down to the deep sea, waves over the sea, waves on the waves and clouds and yet you can still just see your hand so there's still some light.
24:40 Or [they are] like darknesses within an unfathomable sea which is covered by waves, upon which are waves, over which are clouds - darknesses, some of them upon others. When one puts out his hand [therein], he can hardly see it. And he to whom Allah has not granted light - for him there is no light.
http://quran.com/24/40
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Please provide some evidence that internal waves stop light penetrating down to the deep sea.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_wave
according to ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA:
In general, any species of fishes (class Osteichthyes) that are found at extreme ocean depths, usually more than 600 m and even to as much as 2,700 m (2,000 to 9,000 feet). The species, which represent more than a dozen families of marine fishes, are characterized by huge mouths, and the presence of luminous organs on some or several parts of the body. The light-producing organs serve to attract either prey or potential mates. These and other peculiar traits of deep-sea fishes represent evolutionary adaptations to the extreme pressure, cold, and particularly the darkness of their environment.

if you are really interested in internal waves, I recommend this article it turned out that those internal waves may be responsible to shed the light of the sun and maintain life at the same time among with other benefits.

http://belovegowest.blogspot.com/2012/04/inte...

Compared to surface waves, the properties and effects of internal waves in the ocean are still relatively unknown. These underwater waves have numerous causes and can affect the environment in many different ways. Recent research on the effects of internal waves in the Arctic Ocean sheds light on the profound ways that these swells can affect ocean mixing, circulation, and the planet as a whole.

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#1451 Dec 11, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Have you seen the Four Lions jihadi comedy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =tH9y9HU-gQgXX
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I have to say I am not a big fan of that lousy accent, their sense of humor tends to be awful, they certainly wouldn't compete with Mr. Bean, where is he nowadays ? I haven't seen him on TV since I was a kid.

“Evil Atheist :-)”

Since: Mar 07

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#1452 Dec 11, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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according to ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA:
In general, any species of fishes (class Osteichthyes) that are found at extreme ocean depths, usually more than 600 m and even to as much as 2,700 m (2,000 to 9,000 feet). The species, which represent more than a dozen families of marine fishes, are characterized by huge mouths, and the presence of luminous organs on some or several parts of the body. The light-producing organs serve to attract either prey or potential mates. These and other peculiar traits of deep-sea fishes represent evolutionary adaptations to the extreme pressure, cold, and particularly the darkness of their environment.
Yes I already knew that. What's that got to do with verse 24:40?

You're trying to make verse 24:40 say something it doesn't.
hazem selawi wrote:
if you are really interested in internal waves, I recommend this article it turned out that those internal waves may be responsible to shed the light of the sun and maintain life at the same time among with other benefits.
http://belovegowest.blogspot.com/2012/04/inte...
Compared to surface waves, the properties and effects of internal waves in the ocean are still relatively unknown. These underwater waves have numerous causes and can affect the environment in many different ways. Recent research on the effects of internal waves in the Arctic Ocean sheds light on the profound ways that these swells can affect ocean mixing, circulation, and the planet as a whole.
I posted a longer article from Wikipedia. Neither article says internal waves prevent light from penetrating deeper into the sea, hence they can't be a layer of darkness.

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#1453 Dec 11, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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It is the way of most religious to blindly follow what they donít understand
I say most because I know of one christian who does understand and analyses and even accepts the anomalies and artistes of ger god book, yet still her belief in jesus and god is unshakeable Ė believe me I have tried to shake it.
She will not even accept the cynicism that she actually gets well paid for her beliefs.(she works for the church)
No you are completely wrong, the religion of Islam doesnt work like that and it certainly doesnt make people blindly follow what they dont know, I think it better to leave interpreting Quranic verses and extracting Rules to specialized scholars and muslim scientists, if anyone doesnt like that, he is more than welcome to study Quran and Sunnah and hold responsible in front of Allah for his own interpretation because obviously so many people would follow his/her interpretation and if he was wrong it would be a very big responsibility.

thus you can come up with your own opinion, but you have at first to learn how to extract rules and laws From Quran and Sunnah , Arabic language, science of Hadith, Osul al feqh, feqh attahara and praying and fasting, Science of Quran, Mohammed's biography, Feqh Al Zakkah and Al Haj, Biography of Mohammed's companions and the ....list goes on and on, its a very long list, after that you should be ready to hold responsibility of your opinions if you intended to extract laws and to be a mufti.

So its totally up to you and Mahmood whether to take the hard way and decide to spend your life to become a specialized muslim scientist or go back and Consult the specialized people.

you ignored all this and came up saying the Quran says beat up your women, not taking in consideration nearly anything, yet when anyone tries to explain to you the huge mistakes you made, you accuse him of being a liar, coward and ignorant.

I really feel sad for your employees, I wonder what do you say if an employee of yours took the plunge to suggest a small change to your marketing plan..!!!

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#1454 Dec 11, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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Yes I already knew that. What's that got to do with verse 24:40?
You're trying to make verse 24:40 say something it doesn't.
I posted a longer article from Wikipedia. Neither article says internal waves prevent light from penetrating deeper into the sea, hence they can't be a layer of darkness.
So why is it dark deep down the seas and oceans ?!
Jim

London, UK

#1455 Dec 11, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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So why is it dark deep down the seas and oceans ?!
Obviously god put the dark there to confuse the fishes.

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#1456 Dec 11, 2013
Jim wrote:
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Obviously god put the dark there to confuse the fishes.
fishes and creatures down there have special physical structure to live there, some of them have luminous organs.

“Evil Atheist :-)”

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#1457 Dec 11, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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So why is it dark deep down the seas and oceans ?!
Because the light is absorbed by everything in the sea such as plankton, algae, any minerals but also the sea water itself.

"Sunlight entering the water may travel about 1,000 meters (3,280 feet) into the ocean under the right conditions, but there is rarely any significant light beyond 200 meters (656 feet)."
http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/light_trav...

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#1458 Dec 11, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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Because the light is absorbed by everything in the sea such as plankton, algae, any minerals but also the sea water itself.
"Sunlight entering the water may travel about 1,000 meters (3,280 feet) into the ocean under the right conditions, but there is rarely any significant light beyond 200 meters (656 feet)."
http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/light_trav...
I shouldnt have said that the internal waves is what reflect sun lights, my bad man.
I found out that the writer of the article actually says "water reflects some of the light that comes to earth and absorbs the rest that gradually decreases with depth "

the full article water http://www.eajaz.org/eajaz/index.php...
Thinking

Windsor, UK

#1459 Dec 11, 2013
Don't be racist.
hazem selawi wrote:
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I have to say I am not a big fan of that lousy accent...

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#1460 Dec 11, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Don't be racist.
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are those guys from four lions Muslims or Just make fun of Islam ?

I am not racist, I just tend not to like who makes fun of my religion ..!!
Jim

London, UK

#1461 Dec 11, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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are those guys from four lions Muslims or Just make fun of Islam ?
I am not racist, I just tend not to like who makes fun of my religion ..!!
If you don't know the difference, you don't have the right to be offended.

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#1462 Dec 12, 2013
Jim wrote:
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If you don't know the difference, you don't have the right to be offended.
I dont care if they are muslims, hindus or jews.
they dont have the right to make fun of Jihad, yet they are manipulating the whole concept of it, and mislead both Muslims and non-Muslims.

may I ask you, What is the definition of Jihad?
Thinking

Windsor, UK

#1463 Dec 12, 2013
Are you saying muslims must have their own accents that no one else can use now?



How do you think this film makes fun of islam? The writing was checked out by many UK muslims first.
hazem selawi wrote:
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are those guys from four lions Muslims or Just make fun of Islam ?
I am not racist, I just tend not to like who makes fun of my religion ..!!
Thinking

Windsor, UK

#1464 Dec 12, 2013
If only your god was big enough to laugh at a jihadi comedy film.
hazem selawi wrote:
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I dont care if they are muslims, hindus or jews.
they dont have the right to make fun of Jihad, yet they are manipulating the whole concept of it, and mislead both Muslims and non-Muslims.
may I ask you, What is the definition of Jihad?

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#1465 Dec 12, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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I support and agree with suicidal bombings as long as they are aiming for military in a specific way which guarantees no harm to innocent people, Just like suicidal bombings in Israel, Iraq and Afghanistan, such bombings can be done in military bases.
killing innocents, childs, women, elderly people, peaceful religious people like priests, cutting trees and killing animals through war is completely prohibited.
those are the obvious and actual teachings of Islam.
You still have not explained how semtex and ball barings discriminate between military personnel and babies

Perhaps you mean like these highly targeted suicide bombings

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/iraq-spate-sui...
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/asia...
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/497439/suicide-b...
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/10/12/offic...
http://www.tolonews.com/en/afghanistan/11713-...
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2013/10/20/...

Or are you saying that civilians have no right being in/or close to military bases when you want to kill people so they are acceptable murders in the name of allah?

It does not matter what you think of killing innocents, IT HAPPENS because suicide bombs are not discriminatory in who they kill. Therefore in supporting suicide bombings you support the murder of innocent children.

LIVE WELL WHILE YOU REVEL WITH THE HORROR OF YOUR FAITH

Since: Oct 13

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#1466 Dec 12, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Are you saying muslims must have their own accents that no one else can use now?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =CwgSr89wUbUXX
How do you think this film makes fun of islam? The writing was checked out by many UK muslims first.
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those guys are delivering a wrong message about Jihad to both Muslims and non-Muslims, what is your concept about Jihad ?!

probably you think its all about spreading destruction and corruption all over the world.
Thinking

Windsor, UK

#1467 Dec 12, 2013
I particularly like the scene where the only muslim that won't sing along is the white convert, Barry aka Azzam Al-Britani!



It's a great film, really funny. I watch it every christmas. The lead, Riz Ahmed, is a muslim, so I don't know why you're whinging.
hazem selawi wrote:
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those guys are delivering a wrong message about Jihad to both Muslims and non-Muslims, what is your concept about Jihad ?!
probably you think its all about spreading destruction and corruption all over the world.

Since: Oct 13

Location hidden

#1468 Dec 12, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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You still have not explained how semtex and ball barings discriminate between military personnel and babies
Perhaps you mean like these highly targeted suicide bombings
http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/iraq-spate-sui...
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/asia...
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/497439/suicide-b...
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/10/12/offic...
http://www.tolonews.com/en/afghanistan/11713-...
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2013/10/20/...
Or are you saying that civilians have no right being in/or close to military bases when you want to kill people so they are acceptable murders in the name of allah?
It does not matter what you think of killing innocents, IT HAPPENS because suicide bombs are not discriminatory in who they kill. Therefore in supporting suicide bombings you support the murder of innocent children.
LIVE WELL WHILE YOU REVEL WITH THE HORROR OF YOUR FAITH
allow me to give you an advice, whenever you read an article with a big Title "Suicidal bombing along with the word CIVILIANS" you can directly know that this Attack has nothing to do with Islam, I dont want this religion and am sure you don't want it either.

-Iraq: Spate of suicide bombings against civilians are crimes against humanity.

-Civilians killed as suicide bomb targets Nato forces in Afghanistan.

-Suicide bombers kill Malian civilians in upsurge in violence.

-Suicide bombers kill Malian civilians in upsurge in violence.

-Officials: 1 civilian and 2 police officers killed in suicide bombing in eastern Afghanistan.

-Four Civilians Killed in Helmand Suicide Attack.

-Syria suicide bomber kills 31 people, mostly civilians.

All these previous actions are Not acceptable and doesn't represent Islam.

what does the term Jihad mean to you ?!

if anyone mentioned the word Jihad to you, what is the first picture that crosses your mind ?
if you heard the word Muslim what comes to your mind ?

I think in both cases you'll imagine an evil guy with a big beard holding a big Ak47.

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