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There are 3147 comments on the Examiner.com story from Sep 14, 2013, titled Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad. In it, Examiner.com reports that:

"The God of the Qur'an is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

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Thinking

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#1434 Dec 11, 2013
For your analogy to make sense you must believe that murderers, rapists and thieves can't ever be British.
hazem selawi wrote:
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and there are thousands maybe tens of thousands of British people who are murderers, rapists and thieves and that certainly doesn't reflect the purpose of British constitution.
for god sake stop blaming me and Islam for s few people actions, don't you get it old man :P

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#1435 Dec 11, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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What makes you think of contest? You made statements and quoted quran verses on a PUBLIC thread, they were contradicted with fact, with evidence, with example and with links. Honey we have seen the effects of true Islamic teaching but you are too enamoured with your particular interpretation of your god book to smell the coffee.
What you think o9f my mindset is irrelevant, I treat people the way they deserve (and ask) to be treated, You have earned the right to be treated as a funnymentalists, you don’t like consequences of your stance in the real world then that’s just tough
What you told me is irrelevant to everyone except you, every single Muslim interprets the quran in their own way, it is human nature, humaity is not a race of cloned robots who think exactly as told. It appears that you are saying no one has the right to interpret but everyone interprets, do you not see the hypocrisy there? What you are actually saying is that everyone should interpret the quran in exactly the way you interpret the quran. We have seen this attitude from you before.
It does not seem that you welcome such questioning, each time you either ignore the question or fall back on the quran for your answer and for the most part the answer you give irrelevant or avoids the issue ore is designed to confuse. Here we go again, something is written then some time later something else is written that can be interpreted as modifying what was originally written. Here is the problem, people interpret things differently and they may not even interpret the verse you interpret at all
Not only claim but prove, Why are quranic contradiction like teaching a child to write? More irrelevance? More obfuscation? if you teach your child to read and write by contradiction then it does explain a lot.
ChristineM why do you keep twisting my words ?!! I dont want you to interpret the Quran in the way I like it, there are 114 chapters in the Quran, 6236 verses; so sometimes Verses can be explained by other verses (Interpretation of Qur’an by Quran).

There are over 6000 Authentic Hadiths, the second source to interpret Quran is by Hadith ( Interpretation of Qur’an by Hadith or Sunnah)

The Holy Prophet (S) said: One who interprets the Qur’an according to personal opinion he makes his place in fire (Hell).
there is a big room for different opinions about the meaning of verses as long as the interpreter takes in consideration the accurate criteria.

you can read this article to get a brief description about interpretation of Qur’an or Tafsir
http://www.al-islam.org/philosophy-islamic-la...

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#1436 Dec 11, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Hi Hazel.
How's yer hammer hangin'?
Al salamo Alaikom Buck,
where have you been ?
we missed your silly jokes

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#1437 Dec 11, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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Al salamo Alaikom Buck,
where have you been ?
we missed your silly jokes
Well, I'm on home incarceration.

The ankle bracelet lets me out in the yard, so I go out and smoke cigarettes, and tease the neighbors' dogs.

I see you have met Christine and BartBuffoon.

Some mouth on her, huh?

Bart told me dinosaurs had no DNA. I did not know that.

Well, gotta' go. My buddies are coming over. We have a skiff of snow. So we're going to drink a case of beer and ski off of the roof.

Wish me luck!

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#1438 Dec 11, 2013
Almost forgot...

Al's Salami Abatron Epoxy to you.

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#1439 Dec 11, 2013
Thinking wrote:
For your analogy to make sense you must believe that murderers, rapists and thieves can't ever be British.
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I'll have to side with Hazel on this one, Bart Bufoon.

If the rapists and thieves aren't British, they don't become British afterwards when they rape or thief.

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#1440 Dec 11, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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It is the way of most religious to blindly follow what they don’t understand
Colchecine, you could march in any direction toward an infinite number of points on an encircling plane and you would be following something you do not understand.

You could follow a 3-legged dog and you would be following something you don't understand.

You could follow a rolling hubcap, and you would be following something you do not understand.

You could stretch your thong like a slingshot, shoot a fleak of shit, and follow it, and you would be following something you do not understand.

Al's Salami Abitron Epoxy.

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#1441 Dec 11, 2013
Thinking wrote:
For your analogy to make sense you must believe that murderers, rapists and thieves can't ever be British.
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you have a point, actually Islam does change people but it depends on how much you are following it, Some Muslims nearly apply 5% of Islam in their daily life maybe we are busy watching western movies and shows, eating from what we dont plant, using Samsung and Apple mobiles and laptops, we turned into consuming people, we could watch the news and see our brothers being killed and sisters being raped in Palastine, Afghanistan and Iraq and instantly turn the TV into another channel to watch grey's anatomy ,Big brother or House.

so obviously the effect of Islam will be less on them not to mention that nowadays Islamic governments aren't applying sharia law ,they replaced Zakkah with taxes, replaced the Islamic economic system which mixes between the capitalism and Socialism in away that guarantees at least a Decent life for all people in the community by another one which guarantees nothing but being a slave for banks and personal loans for the rest of your life, Why do you think the Arabic spring happened ?! people are starving because there is a huge gap in the community, nearly 1% of people control the wealth of their country, the distribution of wealth is screwed up horribly, thus poverty create problems.

I am afraid that Allah will replace our people by another whom will apply Islam correctly, we as Arabs failed to Carry the banner of Islam, some scholars think that the sun will rise from the west, as the Islam will rise again from the west, Just like Moses who was raised in the Pharaoh's palace.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#1442 Dec 11, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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ChristineM why do you keep twisting my words ?!! I dont want you to interpret the Quran in the way I like it, there are 114 chapters in the Quran, 6236 verses; so sometimes Verses can be explained by other verses (Interpretation of Qur’an by Quran).
There are over 6000 Authentic Hadiths, the second source to interpret Quran is by Hadith ( Interpretation of Qur’an by Hadith or Sunnah)
The Holy Prophet (S) said: One who interprets the Qur’an according to personal opinion he makes his place in fire (Hell).
there is a big room for different opinions about the meaning of verses as long as the interpreter takes in consideration the accurate criteria.
you can read this article to get a brief description about interpretation of Qur’an or Tafsir
http://www.al-islam.org/philosophy-islamic-la...
I do not twist your words, I interpret based on my western outlook of freedom from oppression.

And it all boils down to interpretation, which you say cannot happen yet happens and you details ways it can happen. And you want people to understand that logic?

The human mind will always be open and flexible which means different people will interpret the quran in different ways. Why do you have such difficulty understanding that people are different?

It is effectively explained by the bystander effect. An event happens right in front of 2 (or more) people and each one will recount a different tail of that single event. Well known psychological phenomenon

So you are saying that each Muslim reads and knows 114 chapters, 6236 verses of the quran and interprets them in exactly the same way as every other Muslim who can modify each verse in effectively 6235 * 6234 * 6233 …* 2 different ways (ask Thinking he is more up on this sort of maths than me.)

Then each Muslim can modify the result in over 6000 ‘authentic’ ways. The result of possible interpretations my friend is a bewildering number far to big to enter into a lowly desktop computer, if my rough and ready maths is up to the task I do not think the average PC is big enough to calculate the result. After only 10 iterations I had 8.8E+37 and there are over 6200 iterations * 6000 more.

And you say every single Muslim sees that in the same way? You really do not know much about human nature do you?

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#1443 Dec 11, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Colchecine, you could march in any direction toward an infinite number of points on an encircling plane and you would be following something you do not understand.
You could follow a 3-legged dog and you would be following something you don't understand.
You could follow a rolling hubcap, and you would be following something you do not understand.
You could stretch your thong like a slingshot, shoot a fleak of shit, and follow it, and you would be following something you do not understand.
Al's Salami Abitron Epoxy.
Still boning your children I see while relying on guesswork and BS to make up your posts

Hi buck, how’s it hanging? By the testicles alongside your cell mates bunk?

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#1444 Dec 11, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Well, I'm on home incarceration.
The ankle bracelet lets me out in the yard, so I go out and smoke cigarettes, and tease the neighbors' dogs.
I see you have met Christine and BartBuffoon.
Some mouth on her, huh?
Bart told me dinosaurs had no DNA. I did not know that.
Well, gotta' go. My buddies are coming over. We have a skiff of snow. So we're going to drink a case of beer and ski off of the roof.
Wish me luck!
Good luck man although I don't think its a good idea to drink beer and head to the roof yet with that ankle bracelet, you dont wonna end up landing on your neighbor's car ;)

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#1445 Dec 11, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Tell me how long have you considered that 2 lbs of semtex and a few handfuls of ball barings have been discriminate killers?
Honey, I have been a victim of a bomb attack and I can assure you that even ¼ of a mile and 2 city blocks away a bomb is not discriminate.
You want to rejoice that cowardly suicide bombers sneak in and kill military targets then be man enough to accept the consequences
I support and agree with suicidal bombings as long as they are aiming for military in a specific way which guarantees no harm to innocent people, Just like suicidal bombings in Israel, Iraq and Afghanistan, such bombings can be done in military bases.

killing innocents, childs, women, elderly people, peaceful religious people like priests, cutting trees and killing animals through war is completely prohibited.
those are the obvious and actual teachings of Islam.

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#1446 Dec 11, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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It's not the last part of the verse I don't accept, it's your interpretation of it that I reject, as it doesn't say what you want it to say.
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Why would anyone not think the deep sea was dark? It's often impossible to see the bottom of a river.
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The verse states “an unfathomable sea which is covered by waves”. Those aren't internal waves, those are surface waves. Those waves are covered by other waves which anyone who has ever been to sea in a storm would have seen.
And internal waves are transparent and so cannot be a layer of darkness.
24:40 Or [they are] like darknesses within an unfathomable sea which is covered by waves, upon which are waves, over which are clouds - darknesses, some of them upon others. When one puts out his hand [therein], he can hardly see it. And he to whom Allah has not granted light - for him there is no light.
http://quran.com/24/40
So you are basically saying the Quran likening the unbelievers deeds to the darkness of a very wild storm where one's can't see his own hand, what if that storm happened at day not night ?!!
it wouldnt make sense, beside the internal waves is what make it dark down deep the sea.

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#1447 Dec 11, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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So you are basically saying the Quran likening the unbelievers deeds to the darkness of a very wild storm where one's can't see his own hand, what if that storm happened at day not night ?!!
Have you never been in a storm when the day became almost as dark as night? I have.

The verse says the darkness is down to the deep sea, waves over the sea, waves on the waves and clouds and yet you can still just see your hand so there's still some light.

24:40 Or [they are] like darknesses within an unfathomable sea which is covered by waves, upon which are waves, over which are clouds - darknesses, some of them upon others. When one puts out his hand [therein], he can hardly see it. And he to whom Allah has not granted light - for him there is no light.
http://quran.com/24/40
hazem selawi wrote:
it wouldnt make sense, beside the internal waves is what make it dark down deep the sea.
Please provide some evidence that internal waves stop light penetrating down to the deep sea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_wave

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#1448 Dec 11, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Exactly? You have tried to explain exactly as you interpret. The fact that your interpretation is irrelevant to anyone other than you seems to slide off you like water off a ducks back. And I have tried to explain to you, freedom under your terms is not freedom
Why do you assume that Muslims I know are somehow not muslim? FYI, I employ 3 Muslim people, and have allocated a room in which they can pray without disturbing other staff members work. I even pay them while they are not working but praying, We talk, we socialise and I class them as friends. I have other muslim friends who pray and others who do not pray, well at least not in company. I even know one girl (Palestinian, her brother and father murdered in her presence by Jews) who, like her Jewish boyfriend, loves crispy smoked back bacon on a barmcake with lashings of brown sauce, go figure!!! For some reason she does not tell other muslims of this fetish (actually she is too scared of the admission, she too likes her head on her shoulders) But hey, it’s a free country, right?
So why should shedding the shackles of Islam be seen as inferiority? I know for example that it takes great courage for a Muslim not to pray while other Muslims are around. That indicates considerable confidence, not inferiority. And of course your ignorance is typical, we talk about Islam quite often, some of my discussion with you is based on such talks hence the reason I am able to confound and frustrate you so often.
So you choose to cop out – again, fair enough, you are getting quite a reputation for it
I am in no way trying to get you to agree with me, however I am trying to get you to understand that different people consider things differently, I know it’s difficult for you to understand but some people don’t even need an allah crutch to live their lives. In fact some consider the belief and any god to be a millstone and bar to intelligent and free thinking.
I said they are no longer Muslims based on what you previously said about how they quit praying, that's a different story now.

Tell your employee that eating bacon is a very big sin yet having a boyfriend or any relationship outside marriage is a bigger sin, yet with a Jew, common if she married him and he is still a Jew it would be a very very big sin and their marriage would be according to Islam worthless or invalid, anyways all what she did according to authentic Islamic teachings and sharia law wouldn't cause to kill her, Islam is simply a relationship between us the humans and the creator, this relationship varies depending on how much you follow Allah's rules, how much you pray, how much you do charity, how much you treat people kindly, how much you treat your neighbors better and ...etc , doing the exact opposite will certainly drive you away from the creator and would ruin that relationship, but you know Allah is merciful you can always go back to Allah even if you came to him with sins covering the whole world but in that case you should make good, so allah will replace your bad deeds into good deeds.

its very nice of you that you made a praying room for your Muslim employees, I wouldn't immigrate to any western country except for Dawah and to spread the message of Islam, unfortunately our Muslim brothers and sisters are running away from their countries to have a better life because of the awful governments which care about nothing but to steal the people's money and to fight Islam with the best possible ways, Middle eastern governments were Superbly designed to keep Israel safe.
haha it takes a great courage not to pray while other muslims are around ...!!! seems like you think that the majority of Muslims take Islam seriously, unfortunately a lot of Muslims are nearly muslims only by name, we are too busy in al Hayat al Dunia , we forgot the hereafter.

if you allow me to ask Christine, do you consider yourself as a happy woman ?
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#1449 Dec 11, 2013
Have you seen the Four Lions jihadi comedy?

hazem selawi wrote:
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I support and agree with suicidal bombings as long as they are aiming for military in a specific way which guarantees no harm to innocent people, Just like suicidal bombings in Israel, Iraq and Afghanistan, such bombings can be done in military bases.
killing innocents, childs, women, elderly people, peaceful religious people like priests, cutting trees and killing animals through war is completely prohibited.
those are the obvious and actual teachings of Islam.

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#1450 Dec 11, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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Have you never been in a storm when the day became almost as dark as night? I have.
The verse says the darkness is down to the deep sea, waves over the sea, waves on the waves and clouds and yet you can still just see your hand so there's still some light.
24:40 Or [they are] like darknesses within an unfathomable sea which is covered by waves, upon which are waves, over which are clouds - darknesses, some of them upon others. When one puts out his hand [therein], he can hardly see it. And he to whom Allah has not granted light - for him there is no light.
http://quran.com/24/40
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Please provide some evidence that internal waves stop light penetrating down to the deep sea.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_wave
according to ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA:
In general, any species of fishes (class Osteichthyes) that are found at extreme ocean depths, usually more than 600 m and even to as much as 2,700 m (2,000 to 9,000 feet). The species, which represent more than a dozen families of marine fishes, are characterized by huge mouths, and the presence of luminous organs on some or several parts of the body. The light-producing organs serve to attract either prey or potential mates. These and other peculiar traits of deep-sea fishes represent evolutionary adaptations to the extreme pressure, cold, and particularly the darkness of their environment.

if you are really interested in internal waves, I recommend this article it turned out that those internal waves may be responsible to shed the light of the sun and maintain life at the same time among with other benefits.

http://belovegowest.blogspot.com/2012/04/inte...

Compared to surface waves, the properties and effects of internal waves in the ocean are still relatively unknown. These underwater waves have numerous causes and can affect the environment in many different ways. Recent research on the effects of internal waves in the Arctic Ocean sheds light on the profound ways that these swells can affect ocean mixing, circulation, and the planet as a whole.

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#1451 Dec 11, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Have you seen the Four Lions jihadi comedy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =tH9y9HU-gQgXX
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I have to say I am not a big fan of that lousy accent, their sense of humor tends to be awful, they certainly wouldn't compete with Mr. Bean, where is he nowadays ? I haven't seen him on TV since I was a kid.

“Evil Atheist :-)”

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#1452 Dec 11, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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according to ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA:
In general, any species of fishes (class Osteichthyes) that are found at extreme ocean depths, usually more than 600 m and even to as much as 2,700 m (2,000 to 9,000 feet). The species, which represent more than a dozen families of marine fishes, are characterized by huge mouths, and the presence of luminous organs on some or several parts of the body. The light-producing organs serve to attract either prey or potential mates. These and other peculiar traits of deep-sea fishes represent evolutionary adaptations to the extreme pressure, cold, and particularly the darkness of their environment.
Yes I already knew that. What's that got to do with verse 24:40?

You're trying to make verse 24:40 say something it doesn't.
hazem selawi wrote:
if you are really interested in internal waves, I recommend this article it turned out that those internal waves may be responsible to shed the light of the sun and maintain life at the same time among with other benefits.
http://belovegowest.blogspot.com/2012/04/inte...
Compared to surface waves, the properties and effects of internal waves in the ocean are still relatively unknown. These underwater waves have numerous causes and can affect the environment in many different ways. Recent research on the effects of internal waves in the Arctic Ocean sheds light on the profound ways that these swells can affect ocean mixing, circulation, and the planet as a whole.
I posted a longer article from Wikipedia. Neither article says internal waves prevent light from penetrating deeper into the sea, hence they can't be a layer of darkness.

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#1453 Dec 11, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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It is the way of most religious to blindly follow what they don’t understand
I say most because I know of one christian who does understand and analyses and even accepts the anomalies and artistes of ger god book, yet still her belief in jesus and god is unshakeable – believe me I have tried to shake it.
She will not even accept the cynicism that she actually gets well paid for her beliefs.(she works for the church)
No you are completely wrong, the religion of Islam doesnt work like that and it certainly doesnt make people blindly follow what they dont know, I think it better to leave interpreting Quranic verses and extracting Rules to specialized scholars and muslim scientists, if anyone doesnt like that, he is more than welcome to study Quran and Sunnah and hold responsible in front of Allah for his own interpretation because obviously so many people would follow his/her interpretation and if he was wrong it would be a very big responsibility.

thus you can come up with your own opinion, but you have at first to learn how to extract rules and laws From Quran and Sunnah , Arabic language, science of Hadith, Osul al feqh, feqh attahara and praying and fasting, Science of Quran, Mohammed's biography, Feqh Al Zakkah and Al Haj, Biography of Mohammed's companions and the ....list goes on and on, its a very long list, after that you should be ready to hold responsibility of your opinions if you intended to extract laws and to be a mufti.

So its totally up to you and Mahmood whether to take the hard way and decide to spend your life to become a specialized muslim scientist or go back and Consult the specialized people.

you ignored all this and came up saying the Quran says beat up your women, not taking in consideration nearly anything, yet when anyone tries to explain to you the huge mistakes you made, you accuse him of being a liar, coward and ignorant.

I really feel sad for your employees, I wonder what do you say if an employee of yours took the plunge to suggest a small change to your marketing plan..!!!

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