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There are 3146 comments on the Examiner.com story from Sep 14, 2013, titled Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad. In it, Examiner.com reports that:

"The God of the Qur'an is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

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#1413 Dec 11, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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The contradictions in the quran exist, Several contradictions have been mentioned and you have REFUSED to respond to them or made irrelevant excuses. You want to make excuses and ignore the FACT that they are WRITTEN in black and white is entirely up to you. I do not tell people how to selectively interpret their god book, that is your own doing but please be man enough to understand that not all people are as gullible as you.
Yet you have NOT given any valid answer, you have made excuses and obfuscated and you have said “because I say” or because the quran says” or because allah says” or even flat out refused to respond but your NEVER actually given VALID answers. I wonder why? Could it be that the quran does not provide you with answers to relevant questions, could it be that the quran says so, so you believe it must be so, no questions asked? Could it be that I am female so you deem it not worth answering? Could it be that as a true funny-mentalist you are unable to think for yourself?
you simply don’t understand the philosophy of the Quran , yet if I tried to explain to you how Quranic verses should be explained or even if I tried to show you how exactly these verses should be applied you accuse me of being a liar …!!

its whether you really don’t understand Islam or just decided to to put labels on all religions,
thats your opinion and I totally respect it, But you cannot force me to agree with you.
ChristineM wrote:
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Honey, I do not hate religion, My best friend is very high up in the BAC church and I have close friends of several religious beliefs, including Islam. The key thing is that none of them are funny-mentalist. I do feel sorry for people who are indoctrinated and brainwashed into ignorance however I do dislike funny-mentalism that puts personal belief in bronze age mythology ahead of humanity. People who’s intransigent mindset fuels personal interpretation and serves to justify threat, pain, torture, terrorism and murder of those who do not believe as they do. Some of those funny-mentalists are like you, with nothing but cop out and excuse and incredulity and some are terrorists (whom you have already agreed with) who kill innocent people (including children and babies). It really does not matter what religion they follow to make sick in the head people into abusers and child murderers and terrorist, all they need is their own interpretation of the books(s) of a bronze age god myth. No, it is not religion I hate but what it does to people and the funny-mentalism it engenders that really p|sses me off.
So it is easy for you to make fun of your own faith? How funny (that’s funny sick, not funny ha,ha). Honey, Islamic violence against women does not need to be physical, you have a whole culture and book dedicated to mental violence to keep you going but if you want to beat up your mother and sisters, fine, you have allah on your side.
I always wonder what kind of Muslims friends you have ..!!! muslims who chose to put Islam behind their back and moved on with their life applying nearly nothing of Islam in their daily life, as you mentioned before they even stopped praying ..!! Besides its really weird how you still know nothing about the authentic teachings of Islam when you have muslim friends or probably
they have a very high Sense of inferiority that they never mention nor explain Islam to you.

I choose not to comment on any of your accusations, you act like you know me and again please stop putting words in my mouth, or that is the concept of democracy to you ?

you have your own opinion and point, so do I you cannot force me to agree with everything you say, I think we only agreed on the situation in Palestine and apparently we both are against Compromising the lives of the innocent.

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#1414 Dec 11, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Apart from your sect?
There are so many warring islamic sects that say exactly the same thing as you and most act appallingly.
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I totally agree, some extremists hide under Islam to gain political powers and authority

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#1415 Dec 11, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>Lol! Religion is all about interpreting religious texts to suit the cult. That's all you've got.
Religion is more trouble than its worth nowadays.
Religion = superstition
Theology = mythology
EdSed you have an Egyptian name, you may have a point thats why there is a specific criteria to avoid any false interpreting.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#1416 Dec 11, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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EdSed you have an Egyptian name,
Nice, but how so? I just put 'Sed' on the end of 'Ed'.
hazem selawi wrote:
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..you may have a point thats why there is a specific criteria to avoid any false interpreting.
Thanks for the reply HS. You are talking nonsense. I can 'interpret the Quran', Harry Potter or Snow White for myself thanks. I don't need your specific criteria or that of any other religious sect, Islamic or otherwise.

Religion = superstition. No god sent a prophet to Earth. Get over it and move on.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#1417 Dec 11, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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Who said we are running a contest in here ?!! I never intended to compete with anybody, for me this conversation was never to show who is winning an argument, I only asked you and others to take a look at the Islamic teachings logically and to try to understand the true Islamic teachings away from Prejudgments.
I think you have confidence issues and I noticed that your treatment to people is based on a specific stereotype.
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Nobody has the right to interpret the Quran the way they like it, I told you numerous times that there is a specific method that should be followed, there might be a room for different opinions as long as the basics are agreed on, Sunni scientists agree on more than 95% of the religion.
some kind of difference in opinions is better for us to apply Islam in our daily life and to take in consideration different circumstances of each case, Difference of opinions is a mercy from Allah to Muslims, and that’s what makes Islam not a black or white religion ..!!!
I certainly welcome my views being questioned and I am definitely tolerant to other people ideas and thoughts, but unfortunately you ignored and broke almost every rule of the accurate method and criteria to explain and/or understand Quranic verses, Taking verses out of its original context or explaining verses away from Sunnah and clear teachings and/or not linking verses to each other will certainly take verses away from its original meaning, Islam is a complete accurate system , all the rules are linked to each other, if you want an ideal applying to Islamic teachings you have to take in consideration everything, otherwise you’ll come up saying the verse says beat up women …!!
You claim that there are numerous contradictions in the Quran , for me that would be exactly like teaching a kid how to read or write, because obviously you don’t respect the actual and accurate way to understand Islam.
What makes you think of contest? You made statements and quoted quran verses on a PUBLIC thread, they were contradicted with fact, with evidence, with example and with links. Honey we have seen the effects of true Islamic teaching but you are too enamoured with your particular interpretation of your god book to smell the coffee.

What you think o9f my mindset is irrelevant, I treat people the way they deserve (and ask) to be treated, You have earned the right to be treated as a funnymentalists, you don’t like consequences of your stance in the real world then that’s just tough

What you told me is irrelevant to everyone except you, every single Muslim interprets the quran in their own way, it is human nature, humaity is not a race of cloned robots who think exactly as told. It appears that you are saying no one has the right to interpret but everyone interprets, do you not see the hypocrisy there? What you are actually saying is that everyone should interpret the quran in exactly the way you interpret the quran. We have seen this attitude from you before.

It does not seem that you welcome such questioning, each time you either ignore the question or fall back on the quran for your answer and for the most part the answer you give irrelevant or avoids the issue ore is designed to confuse. Here we go again, something is written then some time later something else is written that can be interpreted as modifying what was originally written. Here is the problem, people interpret things differently and they may not even interpret the verse you interpret at all

Not only claim but prove, Why are quranic contradiction like teaching a child to write? More irrelevance? More obfuscation? if you teach your child to read and write by contradiction then it does explain a lot.

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#1418 Dec 11, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>Nice, but how so? I just put 'Sed' on the end of 'Ed'.
Thanks for the reply HS. You are talking nonsense. I can 'interpret the Quran', Harry Potter or Snow White for myself thanks. I don't need your specific criteria or that of any other religious sect, Islamic or otherwise.
Religion = superstition. No god sent a prophet to Earth. Get over it and move on.
I totally understand your point of view, You say no god sent a prophet to Earth, I think the same God didnt send prophets to Earth, He only chose certain people to guide us to the right path.

sending people from space down to earth is ridiculous.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#1419 Dec 11, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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I agreed with child murdering suicide bombings terrorism ?!!!
I remember that I agreed with suicidal bombings against the military, and I made it clear that Islam totally prohibits killing innocents,
I even explained numerous Quranic verses that totally prove that.
I would really appreciate it if you stopped putting words in my mouth..!!
Tell me how long have you considered that 2 lbs of semtex and a few handfuls of ball barings have been discriminate killers?

Honey, I have been a victim of a bomb attack and I can assure you that even ¼ of a mile and 2 city blocks away a bomb is not discriminate.

You want to rejoice that cowardly suicide bombers sneak in and kill military targets then be man enough to accept the consequences
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#1420 Dec 11, 2013
When I called Haram Salami on the Amman bombings, he said that they weren't muslim bombings because it was a wedding, maybe the US did it?

I quickly Googled and found a stack of muslim weddings that have been suicide bombed.

Haram Salami is simply not honest. The taqiyya is strong in that one.
ChristineM wrote:
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Tell me how long have you considered that 2 lbs of semtex and a few handfuls of ball barings have been discriminate killers?
Honey, I have been a victim of a bomb attack and I can assure you that even ¼ of a mile and 2 city blocks away a bomb is not discriminate.
You want to rejoice that cowardly suicide bombers sneak in and kill military targets then be man enough to accept the consequences
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#1421 Dec 11, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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I totally understand your point of view,
Thank you. Sadly, I see yours too.
hazem selawi wrote:
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....sending people from space down to earth is ridiculous.
Yes, but that's more believable than an Abrahamic god(s) and these...
godchecker.com
There is no convincing evidence of any interventionist god. We are 7 billion people spinning through space and after only a few million years that is all we know, unsurprisingly.

One man's theology is another man's mythology. I can only hope you wake-up soon.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#1422 Dec 11, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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you simply don’t understand the philosophy of the Quran , yet if I tried to explain to you how Quranic verses should be explained or even if I tried to show you how exactly these verses should be applied you accuse me of being a liar …!!
its whether you really don’t understand Islam or just decided to to put labels on all religions,
thats your opinion and I totally respect it, But you cannot force me to agree with you.
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I always wonder what kind of Muslims friends you have ..!!! muslims who chose to put Islam behind their back and moved on with their life applying nearly nothing of Islam in their daily life, as you mentioned before they even stopped praying ..!! Besides its really weird how you still know nothing about the authentic teachings of Islam when you have muslim friends or probably
they have a very high Sense of inferiority that they never mention nor explain Islam to you.
I choose not to comment on any of your accusations, you act like you know me and again please stop putting words in my mouth, or that is the concept of democracy to you ?
you have your own opinion and point, so do I you cannot force me to agree with everything you say, I think we only agreed on the situation in Palestine and apparently we both are against Compromising the lives of the innocent.
Exactly? You have tried to explain exactly as you interpret. The fact that your interpretation is irrelevant to anyone other than you seems to slide off you like water off a ducks back. And I have tried to explain to you, freedom under your terms is not freedom

Why do you assume that Muslims I know are somehow not muslim? FYI, I employ 3 Muslim people, and have allocated a room in which they can pray without disturbing other staff members work. I even pay them while they are not working but praying, We talk, we socialise and I class them as friends. I have other muslim friends who pray and others who do not pray, well at least not in company. I even know one girl (Palestinian, her brother and father murdered in her presence by Jews) who, like her Jewish boyfriend, loves crispy smoked back bacon on a barmcake with lashings of brown sauce, go figure!!! For some reason she does not tell other muslims of this fetish (actually she is too scared of the admission, she too likes her head on her shoulders) But hey, it’s a free country, right?

So why should shedding the shackles of Islam be seen as inferiority? I know for example that it takes great courage for a Muslim not to pray while other Muslims are around. That indicates considerable confidence, not inferiority. And of course your ignorance is typical, we talk about Islam quite often, some of my discussion with you is based on such talks hence the reason I am able to confound and frustrate you so often.

So you choose to cop out – again, fair enough, you are getting quite a reputation for it

I am in no way trying to get you to agree with me, however I am trying to get you to understand that different people consider things differently, I know it’s difficult for you to understand but some people don’t even need an allah crutch to live their lives. In fact some consider the belief and any god to be a millstone and bar to intelligent and free thinking.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#1423 Dec 11, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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... He only chose certain people to guide us to the right path....
Oh, and no convincing evidence of this either, nor any good reason to believe it.

If "He" (It's always he) wanted people to believe in her existence, she would be brighter than to 'chose certain people to guide us'. Even if she did, that is as likely to be Obama or Madela as anyone. Perhaps the Zionists are right and she sent us people like Netanyahu. Any of that is as likely as sending a bunch of (often contradictory) Islamic clerics.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#1424 Dec 11, 2013
Thinking wrote:
When I called Haram Salami on the Amman bombings, he said that they weren't muslim bombings because it was a wedding, maybe the US did it?
I quickly Googled and found a stack of muslim weddings that have been suicide bombed.
Haram Salami is simply not honest. The taqiyya is strong in that one.
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To be honest I am really sick of his blinkered, funnymentalist backsliding lies, deceit, obfuscation and deliberate ignorance as you may had deciphered by the tone of my post to him.

It certainly seems that he has noticed

I though people like SusanBlange, Cybele, NanoNoMates and to some degree RR and Buck were over the edge of funnymentalism, they can’t hold a candle to hazem

Ok, hands up here, perhaps SB is as crazy
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#1425 Dec 11, 2013
Attitudes against islamic idiocy are hardening, now.

Did you see C4 News on islamic gender apartheid in UK universities? A C4 reporter actually asked why islamists acted in a medieval manner in a place of learning. I think that wording would have been softer just a few years ago.
ChristineM wrote:
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To be honest I am really sick of his blinkered, funnymentalist backsliding lies, deceit, obfuscation and deliberate ignorance as you may had deciphered by the tone of my post to him.
It certainly seems that he has noticed
I though people like SusanBlange, Cybele, NanoNoMates and to some degree RR and Buck were over the edge of funnymentalism, they can’t hold a candle to hazem
Ok, hands up here, perhaps SB is as crazy

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#1426 Dec 11, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Attitudes against islamic idiocy are hardening, now.
Did you see C4 News on islamic gender apartheid in UK universities? A C4 reporter actually asked why islamists acted in a medieval manner in a place of learning. I think that wording would have been softer just a few years ago.
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Nope, didn’t see it.

As I have told Hazchem, I have Muslim friends and they too are appalled by the typical funnymentalist muslim attitude to women. It seems though that in Hazchems eyes they are not real muslims, he has made it clear that he does not even understand what is wrong in his attitude, after all the quran gives men the power to be better than women and they are so weak and have to be looked after (up to 4 at a time)(or beaten if they don’t meekly accept male dominance)

Actually christian funnymentalists are not much different, I once had an argument with a fundy male who said he knows exactly how easy it was to give birth and it’s only painful because god willed it.
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#1427 Dec 11, 2013
So that fundy must believe birth pain is either another example of unintelligent design and/or a vindictive god?
ChristineM wrote:
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Nope, didn’t see it.
As I have told Hazchem, I have Muslim friends and they too are appalled by the typical funnymentalist muslim attitude to women. It seems though that in Hazchems eyes they are not real muslims, he has made it clear that he does not even understand what is wrong in his attitude, after all the quran gives men the power to be better than women and they are so weak and have to be looked after (up to 4 at a time)(or beaten if they don’t meekly accept male dominance)
Actually christian funnymentalists are not much different, I once had an argument with a fundy male who said he knows exactly how easy it was to give birth and it’s only painful because god willed it.
Mahmood

Peterborough, Canada

#1428 Dec 11, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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You were the one who said you agreed with cowardly, child murdering suicide bombing terrorism
You don’t like the consequences of you religion or your big mouth then tough, that is no reason for ageist rants.
Hazem claims he is not a mufti and therefore unable to explain the contradiction between freewill & predestiny. This tells me that the man/woman is following something he/she doesn't know - a classic example of a theological slave who has not undertaken a critical investigation of his holy scripture.

"He that will not reason is a bigot: He that cannot reason is a fool: He that dares not to reason is a slave" - William Drummond.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#1429 Dec 11, 2013
Thinking wrote:
So that fundy must believe birth pain is either another example of unintelligent design and/or a vindictive god?
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Or both

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#1430 Dec 11, 2013
Mahmood wrote:
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Hazem claims he is not a mufti and therefore unable to explain the contradiction between freewill & predestiny. This tells me that the man/woman is following something he/she doesn't know - a classic example of a theological slave who has not undertaken a critical investigation of his holy scripture.
"He that will not reason is a bigot: He that cannot reason is a fool: He that dares not to reason is a slave" - William Drummond.
It is the way of most religious to blindly follow what they don’t understand

I say most because I know of one christian who does understand and analyses and even accepts the anomalies and artistes of ger god book, yet still her belief in jesus and god is unshakeable – believe me I have tried to shake it.

She will not even accept the cynicism that she actually gets well paid for her beliefs.(she works for the church)

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#1431 Dec 11, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Apart from your sect?
There are so many warring islamic sects that say exactly the same thing as you and most act appallingly.
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and there are thousands maybe tens of thousands of British people who are murderers, rapists and thieves and that certainly doesn't reflect the purpose of British constitution.

for god sake stop blaming me and Islam for s few people actions, don't you get it old man :P

Buck Crick

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#1433 Dec 11, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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and there are thousands maybe tens of thousands of British people who are murderers, rapists and thieves and that certainly doesn't reflect the purpose of British constitution.
for god sake stop blaming me and Islam for s few people actions, don't you get it old man :P
Hi Hazel.

How's yer hammer hangin'?

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