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There are 3147 comments on the Examiner.com story from Sep 14, 2013, titled Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad. In it, Examiner.com reports that:

"The God of the Qur'an is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

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#1393 Dec 10, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Implying a theory if the facts are wrong is not such a good idea
Who the hell do you think you are talking to here? Some dumbo godbot who believes in a myth with no COROBORATING evidence because his parents believed in a myth? Grow up.
I believe history when there is COROBORATING evidence. Actually yes I can show the corroborating evidence from 3 independent sources (one of them the very book that your Quran was ‘selectively’ cloned from) that Pantera was the father by rape of the child of Mary who people call Jesus.
I have no need to understand that magic happens because magic does not happen and also I have no need to belive in gods (any of the 3700+ gods) because there is no indication, no evidence, no sighting, no nothing, absolutely nothing to show that gods exists.
Ahh now you are getting somewhere, please advise what your god stood on? Or how you think the universe was born out of nothing? One argument is that the laws of thermodynamics don’t apply to gods, if that is so then gods cannot exists in this universe. Or could it be that that he stood on nothing while he magiced it all out of nothing. Jeez… and you call yourself a thinking man? FYI, there is nothing in quantum science that prevents the universe from spontaneously creating out of nothing, there are at least 27 different and valid scientific theories that can be calculated mathematically of how it happened and not one includes god did it with magic.
1. Embryology plagiarised from ancient Greece and still wrong in so many ways right through initial development to the viability of the foetus and birth
The Big bang, how it developed from 10E-34 of a second (that’s tiny) is known. Prior to that time the very laws that allows things to happen not exists therefore no one can claim to know what happened prior to that time. Anyone who does lay claim to such knowledge is guessing.
Expanding universe, Surely the Quran speaks about an oscillating universe or did you conveniently forget the bounce and do it all over again?
Mountains? Pegs? Placed so the earth will not shake? And you claim this as scientific fact - here are a few instances that prove that idea wrong http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_21st-cen...
Ahh trust a muslim to know how to cause pain. Funny how humans and animals alike have ALWAYS felt pain when burned. This has been known long before even the Tanakh was begun, it’s nothing special in the quran
Stars – it’s called observation. Certainly ancient Mesopotanians had an inkling of astronomy, Stone age peoples of Northern Europe knew not only star positions but seasonal changes of those stars. Again it’s nothing special in the quran.
Water Circle, Partly right, partly wrong and like the quaranic view of embryology missing several basic facts.
2 What does unlettered mean in this context, that he had no name? That he was not a sir or a lord? Was not educated? Most religions are based on similar people. Who gives a damn?
3 Should you be congratulated for having a god book that has not kept up with the times?
4 And other people have better, more productive, more humanitarian things to do with their lives than remember 1400 years old hatreds
5 It’s called indoctrination. Unless you consider the people of 9/11, 7/7, Westgate etc then the quran changes the victims lives in ways that are not welcome.
6, of course it can be copied, snipets and verses and whole books have been copied into the Internet for example. There is also the fact that the entire muslin peoples turn against anyone who attempts to make a document in it’s style. Don’t know about you but I am partial to not being beheaded.
7 spirits don’t exist, and there are god books a plenty.
8 Been there and shown you several contradictions, you seem to ignore them for some reason
Ok how about Surah 8:13-17 or 2:282 or 4:11 or 4:24 and my favourite 4:34
Ignored on the grounds that you are morally illiterate ;)

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#1394 Dec 10, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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Ignored on the grounds that you are morally illiterate ;)
Your decision, fair enough, what can I say other than goodbye…

“Evil Atheist :-)”

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#1395 Dec 10, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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I meant the Quranic Verses carry more than one meaning, Allah chooses who he will guide into the light and who he will leave in a darkness, its a metaphor about those who disbelieve, if we take a look at the previous verse
24:39 "As for those who disbelieve, their deeds are like a mirage in the desert which the thirsty takes for water till he reaches it to find that there was nothing, and finds God with him who settles his account, for God is swift at the reckoning."
and then continues saying 24:40 "Or (the Unbelievers´ state) is like the depths of darkness in a vast deep ocean "
So we have 2 metaphors ; the first one is those who disbelieve their deeds are like a mirage in the desert , the second one is the Likening between the disbelievers deeds and the depths of darkness in a vast deep ocean but the second verse is obviously paying attention to an exception 24:40 "For him whom God does not give any light, there is no light. " so its like saying the depths of darkness in a vast deep ocean is really dark BUT for whom god didn't give any light, So what about those whom god gave light ?!!
anyways the next verse continues to confirm the fact 24:41 " Hast thou not seen that Allah, He it is Whom all who are in the heavens and the earth praise, and the birds in their flight? Of each He knoweth verily the worship and the praise; and Allah is Aware of what they do. "
so according to Quran whom all who are in the heavens and the earth praise Allah, thus those creatures down deep the seas and oceans praise to Allah So they are not like disbelievers, they are dafinetly believers and praise, and they are among those whom Allah gave light literally and metaphorically.
Your making the mistake of trying to read to much into a metaphor. Metaphors by definition are not literal.

The deep sea is being used as a metaphor for the darkness of the non believer so there can be no light there.

Those who God gave light can't be in the darkness, hence they can't be metaphorically in the depths of the sea. They are in heaven on earth or flying like birds.

Pointing out that there are light emitting fish in the deep sea only goes to show why metaphors rarely work and are best avoided.
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#1396 Dec 10, 2013
This coming from a genital mutilating suicide bomber proponent...
hazem selawi wrote:
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Ignored on the grounds that you are morally illiterate ;)
Mahmood

Peterborough, Canada

#1397 Dec 10, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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I did give you my own explanation and understanding of those verses, I am not shying away, I think its you who is not reading between lines.
I think you are Just going through a hard phase, we all have been there, but unlike you that phase encouraged me to read more about my religion instead of Just stop believing.
You have not answered. I need to know what Allah means by issuing verses 6:125 & 28:56? I need an honest commentary from you on these two verses.

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#1398 Dec 10, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Your decision, fair enough, what can I say other than goodbye…
No matter how many times I explain to you the actual and true Islamic point of view, you would still put the whole blame on Islam ..!!
I think its easier for you, you are only copying false contradictions from degraded websites.

everything you posted is answerable but I would be repeating what you already know, I Think its easier for you to put a big label on the religion of Islam a "religion of terrorism" or maybe a "Religion of hate", pick your favorite label and move on, I dont have much time to waste; I have to go to beat up my mother and sisters..!!!

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#1399 Dec 10, 2013
Mahmood wrote:
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You have not answered. I need to know what Allah means by issuing verses 6:125 & 28:56? I need an honest commentary from you on these two verses.
I am not a Mufti, a scholar nor an Imam, you can easily check and read explanations of Quranic verses.

http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp...

I already told you my opinion, according to Quran everything happens by Allah's will whether we liked it or not.

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#1400 Dec 10, 2013
Thinking wrote:
This coming from a genital mutilating suicide bomber proponent...
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When are you going to understand that you cannot provoke me ?!!
its obvious that you are a law abiding citizen, you are a good old man so please stop acting like a bad boy, you are not fooling anybody .

No matter how hard you try to provoke me I will always respect the age difference between us.

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#1401 Dec 10, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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Your making the mistake of trying to read to much into a metaphor. Metaphors by definition are not literal.
The deep sea is being used as a metaphor for the darkness of the non believer so there can be no light there.
Those who God gave light can't be in the darkness, hence they can't be metaphorically in the depths of the sea. They are in heaven on earth or flying like birds.
Pointing out that there are light emitting fish in the deep sea only goes to show why metaphors rarely work and are best avoided.
even if you didn't accept the last part of the verse you cannot disagree with the first part, which is the darkness of a deep sea and the obvious referring to the internal waves.
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#1402 Dec 10, 2013
Yet islam is the religion of the permanently offended.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_...

Maybe life expectancy is very short in your world of suicide bombers but I am certainly not considered old.
hazem selawi wrote:
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When are you going to understand that you cannot provoke me ?!!
its obvious that you are a law abiding citizen, you are a good old man so please stop acting like a bad boy, you are not fooling anybody .
No matter how hard you try to provoke me I will always respect the age difference between us.

“Evil Atheist :-)”

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#1403 Dec 10, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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even if you didn't accept the last part of the verse
It's not the last part of the verse I don't accept, it's your interpretation of it that I reject, as it doesn't say what you want it to say.
hazem selawi wrote:
you cannot disagree with the first part, which is the darkness of a deep sea
Why would anyone not think the deep sea was dark? It's often impossible to see the bottom of a river.
hazem selawi wrote:
and the obvious referring to the internal waves.
The verse states “an unfathomable sea which is covered by waves”. Those aren't internal waves, those are surface waves. Those waves are covered by other waves which anyone who has ever been to sea in a storm would have seen.
And internal waves are transparent and so cannot be a layer of darkness.

24:40 Or [they are] like darknesses within an unfathomable sea which is covered by waves, upon which are waves, over which are clouds - darknesses, some of them upon others. When one puts out his hand [therein], he can hardly see it. And he to whom Allah has not granted light - for him there is no light.
http://quran.com/24/40

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#1404 Dec 11, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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No matter how many times I explain to you the actual and true Islamic point of view, you would still put the whole blame on Islam ..!!
..!!!
All you have been doing is making up lies and excuses.
Example-Islam abolished slavery before Christianity.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#1405 Dec 11, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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No matter how many times I explain to you the actual and true Islamic point of view, you would still put the whole blame on Islam ..!!
I think its easier for you, you are only copying false contradictions from degraded websites.
everything you posted is answerable but I would be repeating what you already know, I Think its easier for you to put a big label on the religion of Islam a "religion of terrorism" or maybe a "Religion of hate", pick your favorite label and move on, I dont have much time to waste; I have to go to beat up my mother and sisters..!!!
I thought you had shrugged your shoulders and said that you can’t cope with someone like me. And now you are making excuses and trying to hoik the blame for your statement on someone else, you really are quite pathetic. You have explained nothing, you have put forward intransigent and outdated statements that you are too immature to have contradicted. And you accuse me of being morally illiterate?

You are once again totally wrong, I am stating my mind based on experience of some (not all) Islamists and how those Islamists choose to interpret the quran. You are Muslim, it seemed logical to address those points to you rather than a christian or a Hindu. I admit I was I was wrong, you are here only to promote your views on a PUBLIC thread but you cannot abide those views being questioned and you cannot tolerate the view of another. And you say you are not funny-mentalist?

The contradictions in the quran exist, Several contradictions have been mentioned and you have REFUSED to respond to them or made irrelevant excuses. You want to make excuses and ignore the FACT that they are WRITTEN in black and white is entirely up to you. I do not tell people how to selectively interpret their god book, that is your own doing but please be man enough to understand that not all people are as gullible as you.

Yet you have NOT given any valid answer, you have made excuses and obfuscated and you have said “because I say” or because the quran says” or because allah says” or even flat out refused to respond but your NEVER actually given VALID answers. I wonder why? Could it be that the quran does not provide you with answers to relevant questions, could it be that the quran says so, so you believe it must be so, no questions asked? Could it be that I am female so you deem it not worth answering? Could it be that as a true funny-mentalist you are unable to think for yourself?

Honey, I do not hate religion, My best friend is very high up in the BAC church and I have close friends of several religious beliefs, including Islam. The key thing is that none of them are funny-mentalist. I do feel sorry for people who are indoctrinated and brainwashed into ignorance however I do dislike funny-mentalism that puts personal belief in bronze age mythology ahead of humanity. People who’s intransigent mindset fuels personal interpretation and serves to justify threat, pain, torture, terrorism and murder of those who do not believe as they do. Some of those funny-mentalists are like you, with nothing but cop out and excuse and incredulity and some are terrorists (whom you have already agreed with) who kill innocent people (including children and babies). It really does not matter what religion they follow to make sick in the head people into abusers and child murderers and terrorist, all they need is their own interpretation of the books(s) of a bronze age god myth. No, it is not religion I hate but what it does to people and the funny-mentalism it engenders that really p|sses me off.

So it is easy for you to make fun of your own faith? How funny (that’s funny sick, not funny ha,ha). Honey, Islamic violence against women does not need to be physical, you have a whole culture and book dedicated to mental violence to keep you going but if you want to beat up your mother and sisters, fine, you have allah on your side.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#1406 Dec 11, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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When are you going to understand that you cannot provoke me ?!!
its obvious that you are a law abiding citizen, you are a good old man so please stop acting like a bad boy, you are not fooling anybody .
No matter how hard you try to provoke me I will always respect the age difference between us.
You were the one who said you agreed with cowardly, child murdering suicide bombing terrorism

You don’t like the consequences of you religion or your big mouth then tough, that is no reason for ageist rants.

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#1407 Dec 11, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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All you have been doing is making up lies and excuses.
Example-Islam abolished slavery before Christianity.
I think we previously discussed the actual Islamic teachings regarding the slavery issue, The slavery concept in Islam is way different and much better than the western concept.

Islamic teachings solved the slavery issue gradually, even alcoholism issue was solved gradually as well, the ending of slavery should have been done centuries ago, its not Islam's fault if its followers failed to apply the obvious teachings of it.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#1408 Dec 11, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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I think we previously discussed the actual Islamic teachings regarding the slavery issue, The slavery concept in Islam is way different and much better than the western concept.
Islamic teachings solved the slavery issue gradually, even alcoholism issue was solved gradually as well, the ending of slavery should have been done centuries ago, its not Islam's fault if its followers failed to apply the obvious teachings of it.
Slavery is slavery, it does not matter what the name of your god is

Islam did not abolish slavery before christinaity, slavery still exists both in the christian world and the islamic world. Excluding the US prison system, slavery is more prolific in the Islamic world where laws are taken with as much salt as personality and tradition will allow. That’s followers for you.

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#1409 Dec 11, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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I thought you had shrugged your shoulders and said that you can’t cope with someone like me. And now you are making excuses and trying to hoik the blame for your statement on someone else, you really are quite pathetic. You have explained nothing, you have put forward intransigent and outdated statements that you are too immature to have contradicted. And you accuse me of being morally illiterate?
Who said we are running a contest in here ?!! I never intended to compete with anybody, for me this conversation was never to show who is winning an argument, I only asked you and others to take a look at the Islamic teachings logically and to try to understand the true Islamic teachings away from Prejudgments.

I think you have confidence issues and I noticed that your treatment to people is based on a specific stereotype.
ChristineM wrote:
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You are once again totally wrong, I am stating my mind based on experience of some (not all) Islamists and how those Islamists choose to interpret the quran. You are Muslim, it seemed logical to address those points to you rather than a christian or a Hindu. I admit I was I was wrong, you are here only to promote your views on a PUBLIC thread but you cannot abide those views being questioned and you cannot tolerate the view of another. And you say you are not funny-mentalist?
The contradictions in the quran exist, Several contradictions have been mentioned and you have REFUSED to respond to them or made irrelevant excuses. You want to make excuses and ignore the FACT that they are WRITTEN in black and white is entirely up to you. I do not tell people how to selectively interpret their god book, that is your own doing but please be man enough to understand that not all people are as gullible as you.
Yet you have NOT given any valid answer, you have made excuses and obfuscated and you have said “because I say” or because the quran says” or because allah says” or even flat out refused to respond but your NEVER actually given VALID answers. I wonder why? Could it be that the quran does not provide you with answers to relevant questions, could it be that the quran says so, so you believe it must be so, no questions asked? Could it be that I am female so you deem it not worth answering? Could it be that as a true funny-mentalist you are unable to think for yourself?
Nobody has the right to interpret the Quran the way they like it, I told you numerous times that there is a specific method that should be followed, there might be a room for different opinions as long as the basics are agreed on, Sunni scientists agree on more than 95% of the religion.
some kind of difference in opinions is better for us to apply Islam in our daily life and to take in consideration different circumstances of each case, Difference of opinions is a mercy from Allah to Muslims, and that’s what makes Islam not a black or white religion ..!!!

I certainly welcome my views being questioned and I am definitely tolerant to other people ideas and thoughts, but unfortunately you ignored and broke almost every rule of the accurate method and criteria to explain and/or understand Quranic verses, Taking verses out of its original context or explaining verses away from Sunnah and clear teachings and/or not linking verses to each other will certainly take verses away from its original meaning, Islam is a complete accurate system , all the rules are linked to each other, if you want an ideal applying to Islamic teachings you have to take in consideration everything, otherwise you’ll come up saying the verse says beat up women …!!

You claim that there are numerous contradictions in the Quran , for me that would be exactly like teaching a kid how to read or write, because obviously you don’t respect the actual and accurate way to understand Islam.

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#1410 Dec 11, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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You were the one who said you agreed with cowardly, child murdering suicide bombing terrorism
You don’t like the consequences of you religion or your big mouth then tough, that is no reason for ageist rants.
I agreed with child murdering suicide bombings terrorism ?!!!
I remember that I agreed with suicidal bombings against the military, and I made it clear that Islam totally prohibits killing innocents,
I even explained numerous Quranic verses that totally prove that.

I would really appreciate it if you stopped putting words in my mouth..!!
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#1411 Dec 11, 2013
Apart from your sect?

There are so many warring islamic sects that say exactly the same thing as you and most act appallingly.
hazem selawi wrote:
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Nobody has the right to interpret the Quran the way they like it...
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#1412 Dec 11, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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...Nobody has the right to interpret the Quran the way they like it,...
Lol! Religion is all about interpreting religious texts to suit the cult. That's all you've got.

Religion is more trouble than its worth nowadays.

Religion = superstition
Theology = mythology

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